Raimi 's Reasons for the Costume Changes

[jimmy]

I think for the first Goblin, Raimi tried to do something cool, but it didn't work out; For this Goblin (SM3), he's trying to do something cool, but it's not working out.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

I'm somewhat disappointed that Raimi decided to not use a Goblin or Hobgoblin costume for Harry its almost like he copped out. I always felt he was not embarrassed by the costumes. But now that I think of it he has chosen villains that for the most part that don't wear masks or costumes.

That's why I think we won't see Venom with his actual "face" a lot, but with brock's face/head.

 

[chosen1]

Forget the goblin costume what about the sad excuse for a venom costume.

 

[Spade]

I'm somewhat disappointed that Raimi decided to not use a Goblin or Hobgoblin costume for Harry its almost like he copped out. I always felt he was not embarrassed by the costumes. But now that I think of it he has chosen villains that for the most part that don't wear masks or costumes.

Part of the issue is that nothing is truly timeless- we talk about people like Spider-Man and Superman as if they've gone unaged from conception when that's farthest from the truth. Thus, Stan Lee's idea of making a green goblin suit with purple booties and a flying broomstick (later known to be a glider) has shown some age. Raimi may not have stuck to the concept 100%, but I prefer someone who wants to bring the character to the screen they way they should be than someone who changes nothing and ruins the original concept.

Take Venom for example- I prefer a svelte Venom whereas some others prefer a bulk-heavy Venom. Does that mean that if Raimi gives us one or the other he's going against the character's spirit? No, he's just doing things the way he sees best. Ock is another example- was he diminished by the aesthetic changes to his body, specifically the tentacles? Not in my view at least. People interpret the same painting in different ways. Raimi's just trying to show how he interprets these characters. That we don't agree 100% just shows that people can look at the same image and have millions of resounding opinions on it. That's not a sign that the adaption is factually horrid or pristine.

You know, not to be derisive...but I laugh my head off every time I hear people complaining about the small stuff in the Spider-Man franchise. It's as if no other changes have been made in history, as if USM just copy-pasted from the 616 comics or like SM:TAS was a 100% translation. I'm starting to think the fans are like Adam and Eve in Eden: they have what anyone could wish for, but are always grasping away at the apple thinking that an imperfect product would be great. We could have gotten Cameron's vision, or seen a Spider-Man of the same vein in change as the upcoming Transformers film. You'd think people would just come to appreciate what they have and stop clamping down on anything that's not 100% approved by the Creativity Police, but no...

 

[Visionary]

The ironic thing here is you're b****ing about it right now.

You're not suppose to do what I do...MONKEY.

 

[kiuju2k]

Yeah bunch of ******s. Be glad he gave us villains at all. Spiderman actually throws punches unlike SR.

 

[xwolverine2]

Yeah bunch of ******s. Be glad he gave us villains at all. Spiderman actually throws punches unlike SR.

very true.... but still...

 

[Cmill216]

I think that part of the reason why Harry doesn´t wear the same costume is he doesn´t have the same motivations as his father, he doesn´t really want to be a second Green Goblin. He wants revenge for his death, but he has conflicted feelings towards killing Peter, so the costume is a reflection of that. On some level, he´s aware that what his father was doing was no good.

This = The Answer

 

[SamuraiSon6]

cmill216, i gotta say, i have enjoyed reading your responses lately....

 

[Cmill216]

cmill216, i gotta say, i have enjoyed reading your responses lately....

Lately? I've been ownin' since November '05.

 

[Solidus]

Part of the issue is that nothing is truly timeless- we talk about people like Spider-Man and Superman as if they've gone unaged from conception when that's farthest from the truth. Thus, Stan Lee's idea of making a green goblin suit with purple booties and a flying broomstick (later known to be a glider) has shown some age. Raimi may not have stuck to the concept 100%, but I prefer someone who wants to bring the character to the screen they way they should be than someone who changes nothing and ruins the original concept.

Take Venom for example- I prefer a svelte Venom whereas some others prefer a bulk-heavy Venom. Does that mean that if Raimi gives us one or the other he's going against the character's spirit? No, he's just doing things the way he sees best. Ock is another example- was he diminished by the aesthetic changes to his body, specifically the tentacles? Not in my view at least. People interpret the same painting in different ways. Raimi's just trying to show how he interprets these characters. That we don't agree 100% just shows that people can look at the same image and have millions of resounding opinions on it. That's not a sign that the adaption is factually horrid or pristine.

You know, not to be derisive...but I laugh my head off every time I hear people complaining about the small stuff in the Spider-Man franchise. It's as if no other changes have been made in history, as if USM just copy-pasted from the 616 comics or like SM:TAS was a 100% translation. I'm starting to think the fans are like Adam and Eve in Eden: they have what anyone could wish for, but are always grasping away at the apple thinking that an imperfect product would be great. We could have gotten Cameron's vision, or seen a Spider-Man of the same vein in change as the upcoming Transformers film. You'd think people would just come to appreciate what they have and stop clamping down on anything that's not 100% approved by the Creativity Police, but no...

Very well put, I agree with your statement. It is all about how one see's the original material. Even though I do like the comic books a lot of those concepts are heavily dated, the old "trying to take over the world". And a lot of the original Goblin concepts were pretty stupid looking in today's standards.

Even though the costume in Spidey 1 looked....how do I say...not the best. Still I think Sam brought that character to life better then anyone else thanks to the help of the great actor William Dafoe. I think he really created a new layer to the Goblin character, his voice, everything, he did not need the mask to be the Goblin.

I think Sam understands how to make Harry. And I believe that it will work just fine. This is a personal fight between Harry and Peter. So no need to have a character just the same. And the general audiance would be laughing saying man can't they think of something new?

And to be a villian requires more then just the costume, it is the motives and the human aspect of the character that shines through the most. And I think Sam has done the greatest job with this.

 

[Infinity9999x]

^^ The comments about the old costume are getting a bit old, and really, we wouldn't get that in this film if they had wanted a Goblin costume. One only needs to look to the original concept art for the Goblin costume to see what I mean. That look was awesome. Sonly didn't go with it because they didn't want to spend the $, and we got a much, much less visually stunning version on screen.

I was hoping we'd see that old concept art made reality, but we got the new costume instead. Why? I really don't know. A huge part of the Goblin saga in the comics was Harry's feeling that he needed to make his dad happy. That's why he became GG2 to begin with. He wanted to follow in his father's footsteps, he had the feeling he needed to impress his dad.

Harry put on the costume for a reason in the comics. Taking that away in the movie removes a dynamic from his character. Not only that, it rips away the shock value when Spidey first thinks Norman's returned from the dead. Raimi could have played that up with the audience too, and by not doing so I think he really missed some cool opportunities for the Spider-man story.

 

[Solidus]

^^ The comments about the old costume are getting a bit old, and really, we wouldn't get that in this film if they had wanted a Goblin costume. One only needs to look to the original concept art for the Goblin costume to see what I mean. That look was awesome. Sonly didn't go with it because they didn't want to spend the $, and we got a much, much less visually stunning version on screen.

I was hoping we'd see that old concept art made reality, but we got the new costume instead. Why? I really don't know. A huge part of the Goblin saga in the comics was Harry's feeling that he needed to make his dad happy. That's why he became GG2 to begin with. He wanted to follow in his father's footsteps, he had the feeling he needed to impress his dad.

Harry put on the costume for a reason in the comics. Taking that away in the movie removes a dynamic from his character. Not only that, it rips away the shock value when Spidey first thinks Norman's returned from the dead. Raimi could have played that up with the audience too, and by not doing so I think he really missed some cool opportunities for the Spider-man story.

I disagree. First I think it would be too much of a repeat if they tried to trick the audiance and Peter thinking the Green Goblin was still alive. After Spidey-2 everyone knows that Norman is dead. Every one knew most likley Harry would take on the guise of his father to a point. So no need to do such a thing.

Second, I think Harry has more depth then just trying to be like his father. He is trying to impress him by killing Norman's killer. I think the fact that Harry has another costume shows that Harry is not trying to be his father, that Harry is better then his father and this deep down thing is what brings Harry to the good side in the end of three.

I have always believed that Harry was a better person that his father, just confused. I think he really knows that his father was not the best, and I think subconsously he knows not to be his father. Though he is still trying to please his father by avenging his death.

 

[FNSpidey]

Part of the issue is that nothing is truly timeless- we talk about people like Spider-Man and Superman as if they've gone unaged from conception when that's farthest from the truth. Thus, Stan Lee's idea of making a green goblin suit with purple booties and a flying broomstick (later known to be a glider) has shown some age. Raimi may not have stuck to the concept 100%, but I prefer someone who wants to bring the character to the screen they way they should be than someone who changes nothing and ruins the original concept.

Take Venom for example- I prefer a svelte Venom whereas some others prefer a bulk-heavy Venom. Does that mean that if Raimi gives us one or the other he's going against the character's spirit? No, he's just doing things the way he sees best. Ock is another example- was he diminished by the aesthetic changes to his body, specifically the tentacles? Not in my view at least. People interpret the same painting in different ways. Raimi's just trying to show how he interprets these characters. That we don't agree 100% just shows that people can look at the same image and have millions of resounding opinions on it. That's not a sign that the adaption is factually horrid or pristine.

You know, not to be derisive...but I laugh my head off every time I hear people complaining about the small stuff in the Spider-Man franchise. It's as if no other changes have been made in history, as if USM just copy-pasted from the 616 comics or like SM:TAS was a 100% translation. I'm starting to think the fans are like Adam and Eve in Eden: they have what anyone could wish for, but are always grasping away at the apple thinking that an imperfect product would be great. We could have gotten Cameron's vision, or seen a Spider-Man of the same vein in change as the upcoming Transformers film. You'd think people would just come to appreciate what they have and stop clamping down on anything that's not 100% approved by the Creativity Police, but no...

ChibiKiriyama, you're making WAY too much sense man. Watch out, I'm not sure that's permitted around here...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Part of the issue is that nothing is truly timeless- we talk about people like Spider-Man and Superman as if they've gone unaged from conception when that's farthest from the truth. Thus, Stan Lee's idea of making a green goblin suit with purple booties and a flying broomstick (later known to be a glider) has shown some age. Raimi may not have stuck to the concept 100%, but I prefer someone who wants to bring the character to the screen they way they should be than someone who changes nothing and ruins the original concept.

Take Venom for example- I prefer a svelte Venom whereas some others prefer a bulk-heavy Venom. Does that mean that if Raimi gives us one or the other he's going against the character's spirit? No, he's just doing things the way he sees best. Ock is another example- was he diminished by the aesthetic changes to his body, specifically the tentacles? Not in my view at least. People interpret the same painting in different ways. Raimi's just trying to show how he interprets these characters. That we don't agree 100% just shows that people can look at the same image and have millions of resounding opinions on it. That's not a sign that the adaption is factually horrid or pristine.

You know, not to be derisive...but I laugh my head off every time I hear people complaining about the small stuff in the Spider-Man franchise. It's as if no other changes have been made in history, as if USM just copy-pasted from the 616 comics or like SM:TAS was a 100% translation. I'm starting to think the fans are like Adam and Eve in Eden: they have what anyone could wish for, but are always grasping away at the apple thinking that an imperfect product would be great. We could have gotten Cameron's vision, or seen a Spider-Man of the same vein in change as the upcoming Transformers film. You'd think people would just come to appreciate what they have and stop clamping down on anything that's not 100% approved by the Creativity Police, but no...

exactly and very well said, everything that sam chose to do with the costumes in the spidey movies has turned out to be great and not only that but have made for great action sequences. these movie will never be a 110% recreation of the comics, sam has to use his interpertation of the characters and their clothing along with still adding alot of those comic books things into the movies.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I honestly don't think it matters now. I like the new look.

 

[Spider-Dean]

despite the costume not being all that great, i still would have liked to see Harry wear it.

the image of Harry taking off the orignial mask infornt of peter would have been a sight to behold.

although im not to dissapointed with the new costume, it clearly serves a perpose.

 

[Jubba]

all harry is seeing i the mirror is his father. he's not seeing himself in the mirror and his reflection is not talking to him so therefor he probably doesn't have a split personality. byt the way, i love harrys suit.

the fact that he is talking to himself but THINKS he is talking to his father makes me think that he is a bit schizo...his father isn't actually talking to him, hence there are two personalities in harry's head

 

[Frenzy]

I still have my doubts, specially with the whole alternate personality with Harry. Obviously they are not following the exact comic book story. This version could be more realistic, like he doesn't wear his father's costume because he reminds what he did ... who knows.

D!

Harry must be cracking up to a point as he's started talking to his,and acting on his Fathers behalf If that aint the behaviour of a complete nut-case, what is?

PLUS he's spending more time with his old dad now he's dead than he did when he was alive - that's just how 'ready-for-the-rubber-room' young h
Harry is.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I disagree. First I think it would be too much of a repeat if they tried to trick the audiance and Peter thinking the Green Goblin was still alive. After Spidey-2 everyone knows that Norman is dead. Every one knew most likley Harry would take on the guise of his father to a point. So no need to do such a thing.

Second, I think Harry has more depth then just trying to be like his father. He is trying to impress him by killing Norman's killer. I think the fact that Harry has another costume shows that Harry is not trying to be his father, that Harry is better then his father and this deep down thing is what brings Harry to the good side in the end of three.

I have always believed that Harry was a better person that his father, just confused. I think he really knows that his father was not the best, and I think subconsously he knows not to be his father. Though he is still trying to please his father by avenging his death.

That is a good point. I probably would have done it differently and not shown Harry discovering his father's supplies in the past movie, but I'm not the director so it doesn't really matter.

Secondly, yes, Harry does have more depth then just trying to be his father. But when he donned the costume in the comics, he wasn't just trying to be his father, he was trying to do what his father did, and do the one thing his father couldn't (defeat Spidey). But the thing was harry wanted to pick up the mantle of his father, which is why he donned the costume. Harry's trying to do what he thinks his father wants him to do, and he's fufilling his father's legacy in his own eyes. And not only was Norman's legacy simply Norman's legacy, it was also the Goblin legacy.

Having Harry simply wear a costume to go after Spidey removes a big part of Harry's mental character. That suit meant something to him physcologically. He's not simply putting on a suit when he dons the goblin attire, he's putting on his father's legacy.


I to do believe that Harry was a better person then his father, and he knows he's not his father, in fact, he's painfully aware of it. But when he puts on that suit he's not trying to be his father, he's simply trying to do what he thinks would make him happy by following him.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That is a good point. I probably would have done it differently and not shown Harry discovering his father's supplies in the past movie, but I'm not the director so it doesn't really matter.

Secondly, yes, Harry does have more depth then just trying to be his father. But when he donned the costume in the comics, he wasn't just trying to be his father, he was trying to do what his father did, and do the one thing his father couldn't (defeat Spidey). But the thing was harry wanted to pick up the mantle of his father, which is why he donned the costume. Harry's trying to do what he thinks his father wants him to do, and he's fufilling his father's legacy in his own eyes. And not only was Norman's legacy simply Norman's legacy, it was also the Goblin legacy.

Having Harry simply wear a costume to go after Spidey removes a big part of Harry's mental character. That suit meant something to him physcologically. He's not simply putting on a suit when he dons the goblin attire, he's putting on his father's legacy.


I to do believe that Harry was a better person then his father, and he knows he's not his father, in fact, he's painfully aware of it. But when he puts on that suit he's not trying to be his father, he's simply trying to do what he thinks would make him happy by following him.

I do believe that harry has more depth than his father. In the comics harry wasn't as bad as his father was but was still continue the goblin legacy that his father started but harry wasn't exactly like his father, he helped save spidey from that explosionin the comics.

now I think in the movies harry will not wear the goblins costume because that is following in his fathers evil legacy and thats the wrong road to go down. that is just one of the reasons why i think harry shouldn't wear the green goblin costume.

 

[Victarion]

Rather than play up Peter's shock at Norman's return, I think Sam wants to play up his emotions that Harry blames him, his best friend, and would try to kill him.

Just look at Peter in the japanese trailer. He gets teary-eyed and his voice wavers as he tries to say harry's name, once he reveals himself.

-Morzan

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah bunch of ******s. Be glad he gave us villains at all. Spiderman actually throws punches unlike SR.

Well, Superman did catch Lex's boot when Lex was kicking him, and then he almost twisted Lex's ankle

 

[Mr Jide]

I'm somewhat disappointed that Raimi decided to not use a Goblin or Hobgoblin costume for Harry its almost like he copped out. I always felt he was not embarrassed by the costumes. But now that I think of it he has chosen villains that for the most part that don't wear masks or costumes.

What on Earth are you babbling about?

 

[Visionary]

LOL, he's trying to hate Raimi for something, but he can't formulate the words, hahaha...maybe you should help him out.