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I hope the critics, magazine writers and bloggers will be buying a lot of tickets, because they'll have to compensate for all the real people who aren't very interested.:cwink:

And if the critics, magazine writers and bloggers didnt like the trailer... you would have posted it here just to back up your disinterest to the trailer right? But since they liked it...they are now the ones that have to compensate for all the "real" people who arent interested.
 
And if the critics, magazine writers and bloggers didnt like the trailer... you would have posted it here just to back up your disinterest to the trailer right? But since they liked it...they are the ones that have to compensate for all the "real" people who arent interested.

No.

I'm not trying to twist the data one way or another. I'll leave that to you and the others (and I don't see you offering any real quantification of the opinions of your cited sources, just your rose-colored opinion of what you're seeing).

I'm just looking at what's happening and what I see is a trailer that has made some people less pessimistic than they were, but it doesn't seem to be getting people broadly excited.

Does that mean it's a bad film? Of course not, but Fox is doing a poor job of marketing it, and I don't know why you, of all people, aren't asking for more rather than defending their questionable actions.
 
And if the critics, magazine writers and bloggers didnt like the trailer... you would have posted it here just to back up your disinterest to the trailer right? But since they liked it...they are now the ones that have to compensate for all the "real" people who arent interested.

As has been stated multiple times in the past, this MAY be a good film, but the changes that have been suggested previously, and the changes that are evident in the teaser certainly suggest this is far from a good Fantastic Four film.

I don't think you'll find any true, classic Fantastic Four fans that can give this trailer a positive rating, or give this film a chance, knowing that they've taken some extreme liberties with the Ultimate Fantastic Four comics, which was already a marked difference from the Classic Marvel Universe Fantastic Four comics of the last 50+ years.

Right now... I'm of the mind this was an average trailer for a property that's FFINO.
 
^Who cares since majority of movie goers are not comicbook fanboys. As long as they have there same powers and family dynamic, it's still a Fantastic Four whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
 
I think it's worse than that... if you wanted to separate it from other similar style movies, black would be the LAST color you would choose to do that.

X-men, Matrix, any teen-fiction based movie - all very dark, black and shades of dark grey. Can't wait to see another one in the exact same mold. :whatever:

That's the biggest problem with everything we've seen in this trailer. It's so derivative it's not even funny. Literally every shot in this trailer I've seen in another movie. The way it's framed, the way the actors are standing.

I can see why there's positive reaction to it, because there is something familiar about it, because it's all been done before.
 
That's the biggest problem with everything we've seen in this trailer. It's so derivative it's not even funny. Literally every shot in this trailer I've seen in another movie. The way it's framed, the way the actors are standing.

I can see why there's positive reaction to it, because there is something familiar about it, because it's all been done before.
Also because, as it has been mentioned, there has been nothing up until now for us to sink our teeth into and get a feel for this movie. Now that something has popped up showing the general public this movie does indeed exists, some are just happy we finally got something.
 
Spot on. :up:



Matthew Vaughn even admitted as much weeks ago.

That's the funniest thing! Isn't he a producer on this thing?

It couldn't be funnier if they tried.

^Who cares since majority of movie goers are not comicbook fanboys. As long as they have there same powers and family dynamic, it's still a Fantastic Four whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

How very shallow.
 
^Who cares since majority of movie goers are not comicbook fanboys. As long as they have there same powers and family dynamic, it's still a Fantastic Four whether you or anyone else likes it or not.


So? Does that invalidate the opinions of long time fans and therefore they should shut up about it?

No it doesn't...
 
That's the biggest problem with everything we've seen in this trailer. It's so derivative it's not even funny. Literally every shot in this trailer I've seen in another movie. The way it's framed, the way the actors are standing.

I can see why there's positive reaction to it, because there is something familiar about it, because it's all been done before.

I was watching TV last night, and I saw a trailer begin and I thought....OMGosh they are starting to show the teaser on tv??????

It was the "Jupiter Ascending" TV spot. :csad:
 
Got to be honest, a whole lot better than I thought it would be, actually puts some fears to bed, not all, but some, it actually feels quite 'adult', more so than either the 2005 or 2007 versions.
 
Got to be honest, a whole lot better than I thought it would be, actually puts some fears to bed, not all, but some, it actually feels quite 'adult', more so than either the 2005 or 2007 versions.

I can agree with this, and as far as the narrator, I didn't think it was that bad, was kind of different...intriguing.
 
Got to be honest, a whole lot better than I thought it would be, actually puts some fears to bed, not all, but some, it actually feels quite 'adult', more so than either the 2005 or 2007 versions.
This. It actually for the first time, feels like they are at least taking the property somewhat serious. Note: Taking serious and being absolutely faithful are two different things. Now I think this might end up the same way as the X-Men. I like the movie version and have accepted that it will never be like the comics. All I hope now is that this version of FF can capture some of the feels and I do think it can.

This movie is darker, more 'adult', but I am sure there will be other emotions in the movie as well. Plus... the first trailer for X-Men: First Class was super dark as well. Just because a movie is 'darker' doesn't mean it can't have any humor. I am willing to give this third FF Movieverse a shot and I think that way I won't be disappointed.
 
It's pretty clear that their prolonged silence was not a tactical, thought out move. They can do damage control all they'd like but there's no rewriting history.

So they accidentally didn't show anything for a long time?

Right.

Prove your assertion. With evidence.
 
So they accidentally didn't show anything for a long time?

Right.

Prove your assertion. With evidence.
Oh please, you know exactly what I was implying.
There was a six month period between the end of shooting and Fox finally releasing some promotional material. In between that six month hiatus there was nothing but complete radio silence on Fox's end, and a plethora of rumors from a variety of different sources claiming there was some disquiet at the studio surrounding the picture. I never bought into a lot of it, such as Trank being off the picture or trashing a house, but in general where there is smoke, there's fire. You can chose to write that all off if you'd like, but I have a hard time buying it when the film makers indirectly address the rumors and pretend that "we don't want to release anything until it's ready to be seen". It's been a PR nightmare from start to finish and if there was nothing to hide, they'd have come out and said it before now and it would have helped this film out in the long run.
I can get behind the fact that Josh Trank in general likes to hold off on releasing things for his films, but if you buy for a second that a major movie studio like Fox held off on hyping up their multi-million dollar picture to respect the artistic vision of a film-maker with one movie under his belt, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Something was going on behind the scenes, and it's something they don't want us to know about. I'm not sure if you've been following this production closely but there have been at this point dozens of rumors from various sources all generally saying the same thing, all met with silence from the studio in question. You can either chose to ignore that and write it off as mere noise and tell me my assertions have no proof, but I can throw the exact thing back on people taking the film makers at face value and buying into their damage control.
 
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Oh please, you know exactly what I was implying.
There was a six month period between the end of shooting and Fox finally releasing some promotional material. In between that six month hiatus there was nothing but complete radio silence on Fox's end, and a plethora of rumors from a variety of different sources claiming there was some disquiet at the studio surrounding the picture.

So?

1. Rumors are rumors until they are proven true or false.

2. Since when has "disquiet" at a studio prevented a studio from still trying to hype or promote a film they spent a lot of money on?

I never bought into a lot of it, such as Trank being off the picture or trashing a house, but in general where there is smoke, there's fire. You can chose to write that all off if you'd like, but I have a hard time buying it when the film makers indirectly address the rumors and pretend that "we don't want to release anything until it's ready to be seen".

There may well have been trouble with the production. Given the nature of creativity and creators, there is probably a major issue or seven with ANY production. I don't think issues with the production would or did ever equal FOX being unable to cut together a favorable 2 minute teaser until now because they simply couldn't show ANYTHING. That's just illogical.

It's been a PR nightmare from start to finish and if there was nothing to hide, they'd have come out and said it before now and it would have helped this film out in the long run.

PR nightmares require actual PR issues. Not just rumors blown WELL out of proportion by fans (The film isn't actually being shot or made, etc, etc).

It's only been a "PR nightmare" in the sense that since very little was known despite clamoring for information, some people jumped to drastic conclusions about pretty much every aspect of the production. In other words, because they were ignorant about its nature, they assumed or conceived things about it based on incredibly minimal information.

I very much doubt that FOX actually thinks they had anything resembling a PR nightmare on their hands. Most people, indeed as we've seen, most superhero fans, simply don't care that much. Or didn't, until this trailer was released.

I can get behind the fact that Josh Trank in general likes to hold off on releasing things for his films, but if you buy for a second that a major movie studio like Fox held off on hyping up their multi-million dollar picture to respect the artistic vision of a film-maker with one movie under his belt, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Here's the thing. I don't recall anyone saying that this was only done because of Josh Trank's artistic vision.

And I don't really care whether they held off on it because of the artistic vision or because they simply didn't feel like spending money or didn't want to compete with The Avengers, Batman V Superman, and other films with limited resources. The point is it was intentional to do so. There was no "normal" marketing campaign gearing up that FOX suddenly changed direction on in a panic. You're right about where there's smoke there's fire. And it applies to more than bad rumors. And the simplest explanation is often the correct one. Odds are that regardless of whatever issues this production has/had, that this method of drumming up interest and marketing the film was the studio's plan all along. You don't just accidentally have no marketing campaign for a film, low budget or otherwise.

Something was going on behind the scenes, and it's something they don't want us to know about. I'm not sure if you've been following this production closely but there have been at this point dozens of rumors from various sources all generally saying the same thing, all met with silence from the studio in question.

Well yes, they don't want us to know, or they would have said something. That's common sense. But given the "radio" silence, its possible they didn't want us to know ANYTHING, be it bad OR good, until their presentation was ready.

Yes, FOX was silent about rumors. FOX as a studio is generally silent when it comes to rumors, especially when they are ridiculous ones (like that the film wasn't actually being shot or made). Several other major studios, including Warner Brothers, take a similar approach to rumors, with a few exceptions.

You can either chose to ignore that and write it off as mere noise and tell me my assertions have no proof, but I can throw the exact thing back on people taking the film makers at face value and buying into their damage control.

The difference is that one of the explanations for this outcome is logical and straightforward, and one is a vast conspiracy about a doomed film, which we now see probably wasn't actually having some of those "rumored" issues simply based on the very existence of it.

Finally, how is showing what they actually have created and explaining their take on it inherently "damage control"?

Damage control requires a concentrated effort to change people's perceptions about something. Damage control would be if they wasted effort on combating said rumors. THAT's damage control. They spent a LOT more time in the few interviews we've seen talking about what they feel the Fantastic Four are and should be about than they did in addressing any of those rumors. In other words, they spent very little effort on damage control, all things considered.

So no, I'm sorry, there's not really any concrete evidence, nor is there any logical reason that they simply "hid this from the world due to horrible problems", and are suddenly all right with showing people what they had all along.

And to be honest, I don't CARE why they didn't show anything about the film at this point. Because they've started laying their cards on the table now.
 
So to summarize, this is a completely normal big budget movie production with nothing, and I mean nothing, officially released from the studio until 6 months till the films release. Dozens upon dozens of rumors all pointing to this being garbage, but they are all unsubstantiated and shouldn't be addressed. Not to mention Kinberg himself lied about the amount of reshoots this film is undergoing. Yup, nothing weird about this at all! Carry on folks, nothing to see here.
 
To put it lightly, I believe that the rough cut was a mess that did lack fun and that there were extensive reshoots and Kinberg was lying about that. The lack of promotion was brainstorming how to fix the film in post and what needed to be done to tighten the film up and make it work.

Nobody involved with the production is going to say, "yeah, Trank was in over his head and we needed to fix a lot of this film after we already shot it." That just doesn't happen in Hollywood because the cast and crew want to work on not only a sequel but on other Fox productions. That's probably why there's such a tight gag order over everyone involved.
 
And again...even if all that were true...it wouldn't have prevented FOX from being able to scrape together SOMEthing to show earlier if they wanted to. A voiceover/logo teaser. A few clips here and there.

They're not going to SHUT DOWN marketing in order to brainstorm how to make the film itself work. Those are two different animals/departments.
 
And again...even if all that were true...it wouldn't have prevented FOX from being able to scrape together SOMEthing to show earlier if they wanted to. A voiceover/logo teaser. A few clips here and there.

They're not going to SHUT DOWN marketing in order to brainstorm how to make the film itself work. Those are two different animals/departments.


Which is why our trailer lacked anything regarding action setpieces or characterization.

My guess is that trailer 2 is going to be much improved thanks to reshoots/editing.
 
Have you seen DOFP's trailer? it was basically the Comic-Con trailer just with more texts and it didn't feature the Sentinels, Quicksilver, Iceman in iceform, Colossus in steel form, Blink's portals and all that action... it is pretty much similar to the Fant4tic's 1st trailer with Fant4stic's trailer looking more polished and with a flashier logo.

With Trailer 2/3, the actual plot and power displays would be showcased.
 
^Who cares since majority of movie goers are not comicbook fanboys. As long as they have there same powers and family dynamic, it's still a Fantastic Four whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

:up:

This movie won't live or die at the box office on being a lighthearted classic and accurate Fantastic Four movie. It'll live or die on being a good or bad movie.

Starlord was INO (completely different costume, completely different backstory & different characterisation) and that didn't hurt the movie because what mattered was the quality of the movie.

Every comic book movie changes things from the comics.
Age of Ultron for example has an Ultron that isn't created as a pet project by Hank Pym, features an A.I Jarvis, a Black Widow that doesn't have a Russian accent, a Tony Stark that is a jokey sarcastic character, a THOR that doesn't turn into Donald Blake, a Hawkeye without a purple costume of mask and a black actor portraying Heimdall and a black actor portraying Nick Fury. None of that is accurate to 616 or completely accurate to Ultimate. If there's one INO this year its that since even the filmmakers say its title is in name only and has nothing to do with the corresponding comic.

Things change for the film medium that's just how it is. Even the most accurate adaptions like Sin City and Watchmen changed things
 
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I hope the critics, magazine writers and bloggers will be buying a lot of tickets, because they'll have to compensate for all the real people who aren't very interested.:cwink:

"The film’s mysterious first teaser arrived early this week, breaking records as the most-watched trailer in 20th Century Fox’s history."

http://www.ew.com/node/2106722

Guess those weren't real people :whatever:
 
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