The Dark Knight Rises Return of Ra's Al Ghul?

[ArmsHeldOut]

lol "Bat" style.

They put all that in to show that he wasn't a fool going in to see Ra's. Not only had he trained, he'd trained a lot and in many various disciplines.

Though Tiger and Panther are both Kung Fu.

In the comics, one of Wayne's mentors is described as a Chinese woman "so old that she should have been dead." From this mentor, Wayne learned the secrets of the TAO. That everything is energy. Nothing is fixed. Everything is fluid.

I would have loved to have seen a nod to this mysterious character in Begins.

 

[Katsuro]

What opening did they leave for Ras to come back? Does he possess teleportation powers? I don't mean to sound flip, but there is no way Ras could have escaped that train.
Like I stated above, even if Ras is immortal in Begins (which I highly doubt), the man is not invincible.

You do know about Lazarus Pits, do you not? Those big pools of goo that heal people and bring them back from the dead? Or perhaps he's just awesome enough to escape it. Batman escaped the train, who's to say Ra's didn't have something up his sleeve for escaping.

All I know is, a return of Ra's is definatley not out of the question, even to Nolan and Co. If Nolan really wanted us to think Ra's was dead for good, we'd have seen a body.

 

[Dark Knight]

come back in BB 3.

 

[El Payaso]

You know, I see people say this all the time when they're just being sarcastic and don't really mean it, but I honestly can't figure out what that's supposed to say. English please?

The thing is predictable.

I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[Katsuro]

The thing is predictable.

I'm not being sarcastic.

I didn't say you were being sarcastic, I meant that I wasn't. A lot of people say things like "dude I cant even read what you just wrote" when in fact they can read it, but it's just really hard. I guess I should've said exaggerating, not sarcastic.

 

[BatmanBale]

Yes he should return in BB3 or BB4!

 

[El Payaso]

I didn't say you were being sarcastic, I meant that I wasn't. A lot of people say things like "dude I cant even read what you just wrote" when in fact they can read it, but it's just really hard.

Try harder.

 

[DV8]

Yes. That predictable it is that stuff.



In all honesty that's the worst way to tell a story, suddenly taking he option of a "surprising" twist without having a background or a hint justifying it. He's dead... ta dah, he's alive, we never knew he had this secret device. It's like when Batman and Robin escaped from traps in the 66 series.

that's a good point . . . but in that case, they could discuss the myth of the 'lazurus pit' subtly, and other clues throughout the flicks if they want; hell . . . maybe we think Joker is dead at some point in the series, and think he's the one using it . . .

the point is, if any character is killed and comes back; Ra's is definitely the one within the realm of believability by doing so . . .

 

[Ronny Shade]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

 

[Two-Face]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

You know I'm gonna put that in my sig.Thanks for that.

 

[Ronny Shade]

You know I'm gonna put that in my sig.Thanks for that.

 

[Iglius]

I voted yes, but from they way tey set it up, I think it could really go either way. I mean, when you see the train crash through the building you think, "Well, he IS Ra's Al Ghul after all, he could survive." And then it explodes. I always thought of that as Nolan's way of saying, "This man is officially dead." But then again, "Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

 

[El Payaso]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

No, he died.

Period.












(It was a f**king question anyway, nothing more.)

 

[Two-Face]

No, he died.

Period.

You just like spoiling for everybody

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

Don't forget Wayne's response, "Or CHEAP parlor tricks to conceal your true identity .. Ras!"

 

[Katsuro]

No, he died.

Period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_Pit

 

[El Payaso]

A Lazarus pit is a fictional natural phenomena in the DC Comics universe, primarily in the Batman titles, used most commonly by Ra's al Ghul to regenerate his body

After the falling and the explosion I wonder how much of Ra's body remained to regenerate. I'm not actually wondering, there's nothing of it to regenerate.

And I looked for Ra's al ghul there and they nowhere mentioned he was Ducard. So I guess it's no useful at all.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

You do know about Lazarus Pits, do you not? Those big pools of goo that heal people and bring them back from the dead? Or perhaps he's just awesome enough to escape it. Batman escaped the train, who's to say Ra's didn't have something up his sleeve for escaping.

All I know is, a return of Ra's is definatley not out of the question, even to Nolan and Co. If Nolan really wanted us to think Ra's was dead for good, we'd have seen a body.

Nolan and company went to a lot of trouble in giving Begins a realistic and plausible feel to it. That's one of the things that sets the film apart from so many other action flics out there. Even the producers of the new 007 film have gone on record stating that they want Bond to be "grounded in reality like Batman Begins."

With that stated, coming back from the dead all because you were dipped in some "big pool of goo" is a huge stretch of the imagination don't you think? It goes against everything Nolan was striving for in Begins, in my opinion.

Was Ras "awesome" enough to escape the train? I doubt it. Even if he had something useful on hand, the guy just didn't have enough time to react.
Batman knew what he was doing ahead of time. He set Ras up. Outsmarted him. When it really counted, it was the Dark Knight (not Ras) who had been "watching his surroundings!"

 

[TheVileOne]

If the filmmakers really wanted to bring Ra's back they could. WITHOUT the Lazarus pit.

 

[TheVileOne]

edit, dp.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nah....I don't think they'd alter things like that. She's her father's daugther.....which is the whole problem that prevents her and Bruce from ever really staying together.

Ra's is a major player....he's gotta come back. The Lazerus Pit could be a part of it...but leave it shrouded in mystery and it can all work.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Hey CBB, been a while.

The bottom line is: He said it...that mean there is the POSSIBILITY of the lazarus pit's existence. Given the extratextuality of Ra's being immortal, it would not be uncalled for to bring him back.

 

[El Payaso]

The immortal part was like a metaphor. That's why he didn't state he was immortal, just asked, like in 'you can if you believe you can.'

 

[Ronny Shade]

wtf is 'you can if you believe you can?'

 

[El Payaso]

Anything you believe it is.