Return of the Jedi special edition ramblings

[War Party]

If you mean die hard by surrounding my whole life in it then no I am not a die hard fan. I like to talk about it though, with people who are interested in looking at the whole picture, rather than just Lucas' view.

I wasn't calling you a die hard. I was just saying I don't lose sleep over these films.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Aye, my mistake.

 

[War Party]

Aye, my mistake.

Simple mistake to make. I should of made it clearer.

 

[Addendum]

This is funny. But it would be more funny if I accidently typed "hole" instead of "whole." I'm confused now. I'm probably missing the entire point of that picture.

Cheap pun. I thought the pic looked cool, and I was bored

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

It showed.

 

[War Party]

Cheap pun. I thought the pic looked cool, and I was bored

Yeah, I wasn't sure if you were trying to make fun of me or just being friendly. It is a nice picture though.

 

[Addendum]

I just liked the phrase "Star Wars as a whole"

 

[War Party]

I just liked the phrase "Star Wars as a whole"

I like it too.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

On the whole is good too.

 

[Darren Daring]

He's appearing to Luke, so one would think that he'd appear to him looking like his father as he would have been.

Also, if you look at the two versions of the shot, Shaw looks a whole lot friendlier than his replacement.

um, What? Not only has Lukenever ever seen this strange man, how did he end up lookng like this? Itt means that when Anakin he died the force somehow un lavafied him. How exactly does the force know what he would look like had he not been lavafied? The force would know what he looks like before he turned to the dark side, though.

 

[Timstuff]

Umm... That's just plain convoluted, LOL.

It made perfect sense originally, there was no logic gaps behind it. Anakin was now one with the force, so he appeared as if he had been healed of his scarring and such. It does not make any sense that the force would de-age him too though, when it clearly did not for Obi-Wan.

 

[Kurosawa]

I understand where your coming from. But I'm not a die hard Star Wars fan, mainly casual. I just enjoyed them. I didn't think they were bad or great. Just in the middle of that. Of course I'm talking about Episodes 1-3.

I'm a huge SW fan and I've stupidly allowed myself to get into tons on stupid arguements over it in the last 10 years since I liked the latter day material and most people online don't. It ended up sucking all of the enjoyment out of it from me. SW fans are the biggest bunch of *******s in the world-and I mean fans of both old and new SW. I include myself in this.

SW is best left undiscussed. **** it.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I'm a huge SW fan and I've stupidly allowed myself to get into tons on stupid arguements over it in the last 10 years since I liked the latter day material and most people online don't. It ended up sucking all of the enjoyment out of it from me. SW fans are the biggest bunch of *******s in the world-and I mean fans of both old and new SW. I include myself in this.

SW is best left undiscussed. **** it.

I am not trying to start anything at all, but what you said there was interesting to me because,

One of my favorite movies in the world is "Trekkies", a documentary about Star Trek fans who range from casual to mind-blowingly out-of-touch-with-reality. It is hilarious, and yet you come away from it feeling affection for a lot of the people and in some cases really respecting them/being envious of their happy little peaceful world.

So I was excited when the sequel came out and again, Though there were a lot of hilarious dorks, I loved the people.
They were for the most part just really funny, smart non-conformists having a ton of fun in their own way before they die.


So, I'm looking at used DVD's, and I see one called "Star Woids", which is a documentary about STAR WARS freaks as opposed to Star TREK freaks.
So I'm like, "C00l!" thinking it'll be fun like Trekkies 1+2 are.

So I'm watching it and pretty much without exception the people made me ill. They were really super bitter, constantly feuding in the grossest way. The movie left you feeling sick, it wasn't even fun to laugh at them, it was just depressing as hell and you thought "Thank God I'm not like them."


an observation

 

[Darren Daring]

Umm... That's just plain convoluted, LOL.

It made perfect sense originally, there was no logic gaps behind it. Anakin was now one with the force, so he appeared as if he had been healed of his scarring and such. It does not make any sense that the force would de-age him too though, when it clearly did not for Obi-Wan.

Why would it heal him? Even if it did heal him, where did he get the hair and robes??

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Greedo shot first..and that's just a fact..it was in the script and it was Lucas's original idea..He changed it because he wanted to make Han Solo the good guy..not some evil mercenary killing randomly at cantina's.

Listen buddy, first of all, it was pretty f'n obvious Greedo had no intention of letting Han leave that booth alive, so him shooting first isn't exactly murder if you get my drift. Secondly, Han shooting Greedo first is critical to his character arc, in that he goes from being this selfish, greedy morally ambigious slime ball to a real hero that goes back to save Luke's life during the Death Star trench run even though he had nothing invested in it.

Anyway, I'm definitely picking up the theatrical versions. I'd love all the special effects fixes but not at the cost of loosing some of the best moments in the trilogy. That and for some reason the effects on the lightsabers got all screwed up in the new versions so I'll be happy to have the old one's back.

I'd also like to say and I imagine I speak for a lot of us, we are in fact grateful to Lucas for making something as imaginative and fun as Star Wars in the first place. No one should ever try and marginalize that he was the driving force behind it. Not the only one, but the primary one nonetheless.

That being said I think if Da Vinci suddenly appeared and took a **** on the Mona Lisa that few would claim it was a good change.

 

[Warhammer]

I liked SE ROTJ better than the original.

 

[Kurosawa]

I am not trying to start anything at all, but what you said there was interesting to me because,

One of my favorite movies in the world is "Trekkies", a documentary about Star Trek fans who range from casual to mind-blowingly out-of-touch-with-reality. It is hilarious, and yet you come away from it feeling affection for a lot of the people and in some cases really respecting them/being envious of their happy little peaceful world.

So I was excited when the sequel came out and again, Though there were a lot of hilarious dorks, I loved the people.
They were for the most part just really funny, smart non-conformists having a ton of fun in their own way before they die.


So, I'm looking at used DVD's, and I see one called "Star Woids", which is a documentary about STAR WARS freaks as opposed to Star TREK freaks.
So I'm like, "C00l!" thinking it'll be fun like Trekkies 1+2 are.

So I'm watching it and pretty much without exception the people made me ill. They were really super bitter, constantly feuding in the grossest way. The movie left you feeling sick, it wasn't even fun to laugh at them, it was just depressing as hell and you thought "Thank God I'm not like them."


an observation

And a very true one. No discussion of Star Wars can last long without it becoming a nasty bitter arguement. Discussing it at all is an exercise in futility. I really wish sometimes I'd ever even seen it mentioned online. I've seen so many people bash it and I've been an ass defending it so much that it's sucked a lot of the joy out of it for me.

There's something about the divisive nature of SW fandom that can make otherwise perfectly nice people act like complete jerks. I know because I've done it.

 

[Addendum]

The thing is, being critical of a movie isn't automatically bashing it.

 

[The Kid]

And a very true one. No discussion of Star Wars can last long without it becoming a nasty bitter arguement. Discussing it at all is an exercise in futility. I really wish sometimes I'd ever even seen it mentioned online. I've seen so many people bash it and I've been an ass defending it so much that it's sucked a lot of the joy out of it for me.

There's something about the divisive nature of SW fandom that can make otherwise perfectly nice people act like complete jerks. I know because I've done it.

Check this out.

 

[Kurosawa]

Check this out.

Ha ha ha. Typical online SW discussion. No civility at all, just snide little jokes.

SW fans are *******s.

 

[Kurosawa]

The thing is, being critical of a movie isn't automatically bashing it.

If you actually like the prequels or the SE and admit it online, you'll recieve ridicule at least and death threats at the most. I've recieved both. I've also said a bunch of asine **** defending them.

SW cannot be discussed online in an adult manner. It always breaks down into the same old arguements.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

If you actually like the prequels or the SE and admit it online, you'll recieve ridicule at least and death threats at the most. I've recieved both. I've also said a bunch of asine **** defending them.

SW cannot be discussed online in an adult manner. It always breaks down into the same old arguements.

Do you think it's maybe because most guys fell in love with Star Wars as children, so they react to it in a childish way, and defend it in the same manner?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Ha ha ha. Typical online SW discussion. No civility at all, just snide little jokes.

SW fans are *******s.

I take it you're still including yourself when you generalize star wars fans.

 

[Apellation]

I take it you're still including yourself when you generalize star wars fans.

Yes, yes he is.

 

[Kurosawa]

Do you think it's maybe because most guys fell in love with Star Wars as children, so they react to it in a childish way, and defend it in the same manner?

That's a good part of it. People are so passionate about SW that when they're unhappy with it or when they defend it they tend to go way overboard and it gets nasty and ugly in a hurry.