Returns or 89?

[CConn]

Grr. Anger anger. Grr.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Like i said i don't care how relevant my comments are to you. Do me and yourself a favor and mind your own business and don't respond to my comments if "my comments are relevant as ma rainey's black bottom."

It's incredibly silly to tell someone to mind their own business on a public message board. By posting here, you automatically make everything you say everyone's business, and not just the people who post here, but the entire internet.

 

[CConn]

And that's how I know Bat-Mite likes bbws.

 

[Elevator Man]

It's incredibly silly to tell someone to mind their own business on a public message board. By posting here, you automatically make everything you say everyone's business, and not just the people who post here, but the entire internet.

Really ? You just realized that ? Welcome to the internet. Now could we get back on topic.

 

[samsnee]

Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it.

 

[Bat-Mite]

And that's how I know Bat-Mite likes bbws.

Only Paula Deen.

Really ? You just realized that ?

Nah, I think that would be you. Otherwise, why even bother to tell someone to mind their own business on here when you know that such a demand is pointless?

Welcome to the internet.

Thanks. I was just admiring the majestic Statue of Pornography on my way in.

Now could we get back on topic.

Be my guest.

 

[CConn]

Wouldn't she qualify more as a GILF than a BBW?

 

[the_joker]

Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it.

But a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it.

My favourite is 89, but I like BR for Catwoman, Christmastime in Gotham and amusing but not overly cheesy one-liners like the aforementioned.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Batman (1989) was better as a Batman movie but as a film, Batman Returns was better.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Batman '89.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I watched the 89 film again, it still is my favorite movie in general
I tried to watch Returns again, I can't believe how Burton considers it his only good movie, it's a mess

 

[luke1234]

Batman Returns

more thoroughly envisioned then Batman 89.

 

[Darkest-Knight]

Batman (1989) was better as a Batman movie but as a film, Batman Returns was better.

I have to agree with you.

 

[Ponyboy]

Man it's a tough call... I love both of them equally... I had to choose Batman Returns because I liked the fact that Batman was fighting a villain (Catwoman) who was a total mirror of himself. I really love the costumes in both movies... I love the heavy-ness of the first film... The 2nd one wasn't any darker (in my opinion) it was just more bizarre. I like that Tim Burton flair about the picture. Also, for me, Keaton is Batman... so that equals out in both films. If I give 1989 Batman's a 9.0 outta 10 then Batman Returns gets a 9.2. They're so close really

 

[Fudgie]

1989. Returns was too weird. Didn't feel like a Batman movie.

 

[RustyCage]

1989. Returns was too weird. Didn't feel like a Batman movie.

How so? It wasn't any more out there, or any less 'Batman', than anything in the books or TAS.

 

[Fudgie]

It was to me. The sewer freak Penguin with all teh black drool and plannin to kill babies. Not the Penguin to me. Catwoman was a supernatural unkillable man hating psycho. Burton just weirded them up too much for me to enjoy. They didnt feel like Batman characters. 1989 movie felt more Batman to me largely thanks to Nicholsons Joker.

 

[El Payaso]

It was to me. The sewer freak Penguin with all teh black drool and plannin to kill babies. Not the Penguin to me.

If you're comparing Burton's Penguin to the original, they're not the same. Burton's is so much better.

Catwoman was a supernatural unkillable man hating psycho. Burton just weirded them up too much for me to enjoy. They didnt fell like Batman characters.

I know, what's coming next? A man who can live only in below zero temperatures? A man who looks like a crocodile? A man who can come back to life with some Lazarus pit? Just over-the-top crap.

 

[Fudgie]

If you're comparing Burton's Penguin to the original, they're not the same.

I know that. Thats why I said it doesnt feel like Batman characters.

I know, what's coming next? A man who can live only in below zero temperatures? A man who looks like a crocodile? A man who can come back to life with some Lazarus pit? Just over-the-top crap.

I have no problem with over the top and never said I did. I said Burton weirded up characters so that they didnt feel like the characters they were. The way Burton did Catwoman and Penguin is not the way the characters are in the comics. I didnt like what he did with them. Penguin was just disgusting.

 

[Ponyboy]

Burton made the characters fit his universe... They were Burton's versions of the characters. Burton, from the onset, never really went with "comic canon" esp with his changing of Joker as the murderer of the Wayne family... (then again Joker has no real origin does he?) What version of the Penguin was Burton going to use? The Burgess Meredith take? Burton took a generally unlikable character and just made him more tragic, and more unlikable.

One could use the same argument you're making to describe unfavourable views on Nolan's Batman. I for one think for all the things Nolan has gotten right, his version of Batman (Bale) has gotten the character all wrong. I don't get the tortured, haunting, brooding Wayne from Bale that Keaton had, for example. That's how I like to see Batman portrayed... it's a driving force behind his mania. I don't get a "driving force" from Bale's version of Batman. Sure, maybe it's there... in the screenplay, but I don't feel it in his portrayal. Frankly he's a bore onscreen. Anyway... the good side of Nolan's Batman are his take on the villains. Two Face and Joker were done extremely well.

 

[Fudgie]

Burton made the characters fit his universe... They were Burton's versions of the characters.

I know. Thats why I said they didnt feel like Batman characters.

Burton, from the onset, never really went with "comic canon" esp with his changing of Joker as the murderer of the Wayne family... (then again Joker has no real origin does he?) What version of the Penguin was Burton going to use? The Burgess Meredith take? Burton took a generally unlikable character and just made him more tragic, and more unlikable.

Burgess version was better than DeVito. But no I didnt want campy Penguin. Why you think thats the only version of Penguin? Use serious murdering Penguin

 

[El Payaso]

I know that. Thats why I said it doesnt feel like Batman characters.

Lol, so you "accidentally" missed the part where I said it was much better. I see, that way it looks like I said something utter obvious. Hadn't we have the chance to read my original post it might have worked.

I have no problem with over the top and never said I did.

No? I thought you complained about them being 'superhuman' and 'weirded up.' That totally sounds like over the top. Considering that Ra's al Ghul is superhuman and Joker is quite weird.

I said Burton weirded up characters so that they didnt feel like the characters they were.

No.

You said that in Burton's movies the villiains "didn't feel like Batman characters." And that doesn't mean 'they didn't feel like their comic counterparts.'

The way Burton did Catwoman and Penguin is not the way the characters are in the comics. I didnt like what he did with them. Penguin was just disgusting.

Ah ok, you didn't like the changes. That's quite a different story. Because given their characteristics in Burton's movies they did feel like Batman characters.

Burton made the characters fit his universe...

Well with thaty logic Nolan would have made the Joker into a face-painter, don't you think?

 

[Fudgie]

Lol, so you "accidentally" missed the part where I said it was much better.

No I didnt miss it. You were just statin your own opinion. I have nothing to say on it. If you like the weird Burton version better then good for you. Its not gonna change my view. I dont know what response you were expectin there.

No? I thought you complained about them being 'superhuman' and 'weirded up.' That totally sounds like over the top. Considering that Ra's al Ghul is superhuman and Joker is quite weird.

No. I complained Catwoman was made those things when Catwoman is supposed to be just a trained athletic woman in a costume. Not a supernatural whacko who inherited her skills from being licked and chewed by cats.

No.

You said that in Burton's movies the villiains "didn't feel like Batman characters." And that doesn't mean 'they didn't feel like their comic counterparts.'

Course thats what it means. What other way can you take that?

Ah ok, you didn't like the changes. That's quite a different story.

Different to what story? It falls in line with what I've been saying all along. Burton changed the villains into something totally different. Penguin is not a sewer freak with black drool who wants to kill babies. Catwoman is not a supernatural whacko. hey are not the characters of the comics thats why they dont feel like Batman characters.

 

[GothamAlleys]

How do you feel then about Nolan and Schumacher changing characters into something completely different then what they were in the comics? Two Face didnt kill Graysons parents, nor was he obsessed with Batman. Riddler didnt work for Wayne and wasnt obsessed with him, Ghul was immortal and had nothing to do with teaching Bruce or with Ducard. Scarecrow was not Arkham's owner or Ghul's minion. Two Face did not became crazy because he lost his love and Joker was not involved in his transformation. Joker was not a makeup wearing, scarred Johnny Rotten type

Again, If we would be limited just to being faithful to the comics, we wouldnt get any of the mvies cause none of them are faithful to the comic books (B89 is the closest one), and yet their new takes on the characters are very interesting (Penguin, Catwoman, or Nolan's Ghul or Two Face or Joker). And again, whether it is faithful or not is irrelevant. In the long run, I being faithful to comics has anything to do with a quality movie.Being faithful to the source and quality are two completely different things which do not affect each other. The great late Stanley Kubrick's The Shining had little to do with the actual book, yet it's a masterpiece. However at the time of the release it fell victim of this misguided criticism

 

[El Payaso]

No I didnt miss it.

Then why didn't you quote it like you did with the rest?

You were just statin your own opinion.

And you were doing... what? Anything different?

I have nothing to say on it.

According to the volume of your replies, I'd say the opposite.

If you like the weird Burton version better then good for you. Its not gonna change my view. I dont know what response you were expectin there.

I wasn't expecting anything special. But if you're going to quote me do it properly and don't try to make my post look like something it wasn't.

No. I complained Catwoman was made those things when Catwoman is supposed to be just a trained athletic woman in a costume. Not a supernatural whacko who inherited her skills from being licked and chewed by cats.

Oh you mean "supernatural." Like what I said you said. Ra's is supernatural. Ergo 'supernatural' feels like a Batman character.

Course thats what it means. What other way can you take that?

The way you wrote it for example. If you write "they didn't feel like Batman characters" you're implying that no Batman character shares those characteristics.

Had you said "they didn't feel like the Batman characters" you could have had a better shot.

Different to what story? It falls in line with what I've been saying all along. Burton changed the villains into something totally different. Penguin is not a sewer freak with black drool who wants to kill babies. Catwoman is not a supernatural whacko. hey are not the characters of the comics thats why they dont feel like Batman characters.

Joker is not a face-painter. Two-Face doesn't die after 4 days. Doc Octopus is not a good fellow who turns bad because of an accident.

On the other hand Penguin is a bitter character who wants to become a respected aristocrat and Catwoman is a troubled woman who plays like a villiain but falls for Batman. Hey, they do feel like the Batman characters, except that - like in every comic book movie - they made some changes here and there.