Returns or 89?

[WolfCypher]

I rewatch Returns, and the more I realize how campy and silly some points are.

I rewatch Batman, and I still enjoy it fully. Plus, Prince soundtrack.

 

[mothy]

One major flaw in Batman Returns story has a fun outcome, but still, it doesn't excuse that scene
How did the Penguin chronies know the exact design of the Bat-Mobile?

in a script, toy batmobiles are being sold at stores. i gather he got one.

 

[Smalley]

in a script, toy batmobiles are being sold at stores. i gather he got one.

Yes, that explains it all.

 

[returntovoid]

I rewatch Returns, and the more I realize how campy and silly some points are.

"You look like someone who takes himself too seriously.... you need to lighten up" ***Cillian Murphy Scarecrow voice***

Seriously speaking, besides the humorous lines and animatronic Penguins, I don't see what was so campy about Returns. By the way, those Penguin were obviously dragged by some magnetic device.

I do like Batman to be dark but neither do I want it to lack comic relief.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yes, that explains it all.

Very

 

[RustyCage]

I rewatch Returns, and the more I realize how campy and silly some points are.

I rewatch Batman, and I still enjoy it fully. Plus, Prince soundtrack.

Really? @ bold

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Really? @ bold

I agree with you about Prince, but Return does have plenty of campiness, and not all of the fun kind

 

[Chris Wallace]

I rewatch Returns, and the more I realize how campy and silly some points are.

I rewatch Batman, and I still enjoy it fully. Plus, Prince soundtrack.

Agreed.

 

[Smalley]

Really? @ bold

Yeah; that soundtrack is one of the reasons why '89 seems so 80's and dated in 2010, while Returns retains its great "out-of-time" quality to this day...

 

[The Joker]

Burton said something similar regarding the Prince songs. He said they really date the movie.

 

[RustyCage]

I agree with you about Prince, but Return does have plenty of campiness, and not all of the fun kind

I'm not saying Returns doesn't have it's camp, but to bash one movie for camp and then praise the other for having Prince in it is quite a puzzle.

 

[Smalley]

Burton said something similar regarding the Prince songs. He said they really date the movie.

Then he was correct in saying so. Burton had so much less creative control in general for '89, it's kind of sad. This paper I found online about the Burton films really drives home that point and explains it very well...

I'm not saying Returns doesn't have it's camp, but to bash one movie for camp and then praise the other for having Prince in it is quite a puzzle.

Heh, seconded.

 

[ALP]

in a script, toy batmobiles are being sold at stores. i gather he got one.

LOL, that really makes no sense whatsoever. Toy model cars do not have schematics like real cars that weigh a ton.

"You look like someone who takes himself too seriously.... you need to lighten up" ***Cillian Murphy Scarecrow voice***

Seriously speaking, besides the humorous lines and animatronic Penguins, I don't see what was so campy about Returns. By the way, those Penguin were obviously dragged by some magnetic device.

I do like Batman to be dark but neither do I want it to lack comic relief.

Well I'm not sure campy is the best word, 'cartoony' might be better.

A good example includes the charred skeletons in Burton's films. Imagine someone being burned and electrocuted so badly that nothing is left but their charred remains. It's a pretty graphic thought but compare it to how Burton handled it. In B'89 Joker uses the joybuzzer to turn the man to skeletal ash but it's done in such a cartoony manner that it doesn't feel gruesome or realistic. The same is in BR. When Batman pulls back the rubble he sees Shreck's remains. It's a charred skeleton with a full head of hair and eyeballs...none of which would ever remain on a real burned skeleton. By making these events 'cartoony' Burton kept it from being overly graphic. Which in turn makes some people refer to it as campy. And I'm not saying it specifically right or wrong.

 

[returntovoid]

Burton said something similar regarding the Prince songs. He said they really date the movie.

As much as I hate the music of Prince, I think it suits The Joker's clownish wackiness. The fact that he does it after murdering everyone in the museum, dancing while there are dead corpse scattered around makes it subtly disturbing and showcases The Joker's utter disregard for human life as he enjoys himself in music right after committing homicide.

I agree that it really dates the film and after all, 1980's music has not aged that well even though there are 80's classic that stand-out today. Every film has flaws, all it takes is nitpicking them and there are exceptions when films are flawless.

 

[GothamAlleys]

I thought the Prince songs fit the scenes perfectly, I never got why the movie got criticized for it. I mean, Joker dances to the music while doing silly stuff or crimes in comics, so what do you think hes singing and dancing to? Pop music I would guess, party music for a party time, right? Not a fan of Prince but those Prince songs from 'Batman" fit their moments plus they arent heavily dated like a straight on synthesized 80s pop music wouldve been

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Prince songs are so bad they verily fit the diabolical mode of a mass murderer:P

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, I never cared for the Prince songs either. If the Joker was going to dance to music, it certainly wouldn't be to Prince!

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah, I never cared for the Prince songs either. If the Joker was going to dance to music, it certainly wouldn't be to Prince!

What then?

 

[The Joker]

What then?

I don't know, I've never seen him dance to any songs. But if he did, I certainly don't think it would be something like Prince. It would be to something more classical, IMO.

 

[ALP]

Gainsborough, Vermeer, Van Eyck, Francis Bacon... just a few of the artist's whose paintings I recognize in the museum scene. The fact that Joker kills the patrons and then destroys priceless artworks is simply a stroke of genius. I love that scene. The only thing completely off about it was that Joker's goons were acting goofy in the background. They should have let Joker do the wacky stuff instead of dancing around the room like him.

As far as the music. Ideally, Joker should have been dancing and destroying paintings to the tunes of Gioschino Rossini or Giuseppe... would have just added more sophistication to the charaacter.

 

[The Joker]

The only time I've seen him play music when getting up to some naughtiness was when he played "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies" from the Nutcracker Suite by Tchaikovsky in 'Christmas with the Joker' in BTAS.

 

[ALP]

Georges Bizet, Giacomo Puccini, Friedrich von Flowtow, Francesco Cilea... just a few more I imagine artsy Joker would love.

 

[El Payaso]

I don't know, I've never seen him dance to any songs. But if he did, I certainly don't think it would be something like Prince. It would be to something more classical, IMO.

Prince is classic.

But how is that Joker should be so stuck into old worldwide accepted stuff? I thought he was a rupturist. I mean, dancing to classical music while... ruining classic paintings?

I took the Prince music in the museum as exactly mocking at the place's ellegance. The last thing I expected was Joker breaking into a museum and put... museum music. In fact classical music is what we hear in the museum when Vicky was waiting.

But if you want oldest more classic music, well didn't he put some old classic romantic tune on while talking to Vicky?

 

[Chris Wallace]

As I recall, he did.

 

[ALP]

Prince is classic.

But how is that Joker should be so stuck into old worldwide accepted stuff? I thought he was a rupturist. I mean, dancing to classical music while... ruining classic paintings?

I took the Prince music in the museum as exactly mocking at the place's ellegance. The last thing I expected was Joker breaking into a museum and put... museum music. In fact classical music is what we hear in the museum when Vicky was waiting.

But if you want oldest more classic music, well didn't he put some old classic romantic tune on while talking to Vicky?

El Pay strikes again!!!

Very good points.