The Dark Knight Rises Riddle Me This: The Riddler Characterization Thread

[Ace of Knaves]

Well I think he should start off as a by the book, goody two shoes. Mocked by his peers and what not, fuelling his desire to show them that he is the best. As he investigates what happened in TDK he could get more and more obsessed with Batman, driving him mad.

And I like the idea of interrogations playing a big role. Maybe Agent Nashton/Nygma could take over the MCU, he could then start bringing in crims, cops and maybe when he grow suspicious Gordon himself to be interrogated.

 

[Jolly C.]

That would be perfect...he could pretend to be like a harvey dent kind of character but is really bringing in cops and criminals for himself so he would liked by everyone and going after batman he could be veiwed as not only a villain but a hero as well...hmm

 

[Jolly C.]

maybe he can hold people hostage that are close to batman to lure him into traps and such...he figures out gordan is batmans ally and uses it against him

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea thats what I was thinking. He secretly takes on the persona of Riddler after he finds out Gordon is helping Batman. Then he starts setting up situations where civilians and fellow cops and agents are put in danger, leaving riddles at each scene or something.

 

[Jolly C.]

yes! but should he be going after money or batman? whats should his main purpose be?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Definitely Batman. He has enough power as a Fed and enough resources to not worry about money. He is trying to prove himself to be the best, to do something no one else could accomplish. Find out who the Batman is.

 

[COMPO]

I'd like it if his story was kind of like the Hush character, like he starts manipulating events and criminals into doing stuff to get him into Gotham. Like its not his job to go after the Batman unless they call for help or he breaks a law in his duricdiction (if thats how you spell it).

Or with my fake fed idea he could be manipulating events so that there'd be a need for a fed and he can pretend to be him so he can get close to things. Like he has Penguin set up in Gotham and sell guns to the crime familys who are kinda in shambles and ready for blood. Then has Black Mask start attacking their businesses to start a crime war, and he's brought in as a member of DDS to sort Gotham out.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea thats another good idea. I'm really wanting ideas like these used for Riddler. Could make for a compelling film.

 

[Jolly C.]

Hmm...so what other villains could be introduced into this plot outline?

 

[Jolly C.]

Hmm i think black mask should go after bruce wayne and his company while the riddler is going after batman

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I would love to see a villain who can match Batman physically as well, we haven't really had that apart from Ra's. Deathstroke could be adapted I reckon. At first he just mysteriously appears in Gotham and starts killing the remaining mob bosses. Then we eventually find out that Agent Nashton brought him in to further bait Batman.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I would love to see a villain who can match Batman physically as well, we haven't really had that apart from Ra's. Deathstroke could be adapted I reckon. At first he just mysteriously appears in Gotham and starts killing the remaining mob bosses. Then we eventually find out that Agent Nashton brought him in to further bait Batman.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmm i think black mask should go after bruce wayne and his company while the riddler is going after batman

Yea that could be cool.

 

[COMPO]

Hmm i think black mask should go after bruce wayne and his company while the riddler is going after batman

i'd have him work for riddler and do his stuff at first so that he can gain territories to rule gotham and then go against riddler even try and kill him so that he can go after his own vendetta.

 

[Jolly C.]

hmm...maybe thats where deathstroke could play in as part of black masks gang or he can be a body gaurd or whatever so if anyone like batman interupts plans he can sick deathstroke after him or you can even have bane introduced as the bodygaurd...so bane or deathstroke could match batman physically the riddler could match him intellectually

 

[COMPO]

to be honest with bane it would be cool if they did introduce him and he underestimates batman and is beaten and then in a later movie come back with his plan to break the bat after studying him.

but yeah id say deathstroke be good as a henchman but i'd say penguin would need him more than black mask, even riddler would need him. As seen in war games he tends to work alone

 

[Jolly C.]

maybe bane could be payed by the riddler to hunt batman down

 

[COMPO]

mmmm, what if bane was more analysing batman for the riddler? Bane being riddlers eyes, ears and fists.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that could work. People underestimate Bane, because he is some massive hulk of muscle. But he is one of Batmans most dangerous enemies because of his smarts as well as his brawn.

 

[COMPO]

yeah like leave riddler in the shadows as the planner and have bane be muscle and recon, black mask be the dog to attack and penguin be the supplier. to be honest id bring catwoman in as the informant like stealing information cos bane when suped up is kinda noticeable were as CW isn't shes stealthy and would so anything for the right price.

 

[Mindreaper21]

The Riddler as any form of agent paints him as more of a vigilante than a villain. I want the cold, calculating, deathtrap Riddler. A twisted BTAS take. No matter what, you can't take away the fact that he IS a deathtrap killer, it's his origin.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Riddler is rarely painted as a killer.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

^Exactly. Next thing you know people will be wanting him to be like John Doe or Jigsaw.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The Riddler as any form of agent paints him as more of a vigilante than a villain. I want the cold, calculating, deathtrap Riddler. A twisted BTAS take. No matter what, you can't take away the fact that he IS a deathtrap killer, it's his origin.

How does it paint him as a vigilante? He is a bad guy that is on the inside with the good guys. Simple really.

Riddler isn't about death traps, he is about proving that he is the best, that he is a genius. Adapting him as a Fed of some kind would work because he would try to prove that he is the best by solving the greatest riddle of them all. Who is Batman?

 

[Mindreaper21]

How does it paint him as a vigilante? He is a bad guy that is on the inside with the good guys. Simple really.

Riddler isn't about death traps, he is about proving that he is the best, that he is a genius. Adapting him as a Fed of some kind would work because he would try to prove that he is the best by solving the greatest riddle of them all. Who is Batman?

The Riddler was never really concearned about who Batman is until his storyline in Batman Forever. If you have read his origin or seen any of his previous incarnations, you will see that using death traps is his modus operandi. I'm not saying that the traps have to be as brutal as in SAW, but he does use his traps to see if he can devise a life or death intellectual challenge that his victims can not escape. The trap doesn't even have to end in blood... Now the idea that a Fed Agent hunting down Batman could work, but giving that title to The Riddler would simply be ignoring his origin and thats not somthing that Nolan would do.