The Dark Knight Rises Riddle Me This: The Riddler Characterization Thread

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Because there is nothing about him that could place him as Ras' student.
1) He is already very smart, so he doesnt need to be second to someone

True, but there's no way he could outsmart batman just reading a couple of books in a prison library. This way, being Ra's protege, he's just like Batman, only on the opposite side. I think this would make for a better and more interesting match up.

2) He is more of a wrestler than a ninja

Sounds too much like the Bane in the Batman & Robin movie. don't think that would translate well in the Nolan-verse.

4) I dont think Ras would condone the use of steroids/drugs. He'd use it as an example of man's decadence.

IMO forget the steroids. I don't like the idea of Bane having such an advantage over Batman.

So all in all, he is a very different character to just make him a member of the League of Shadows.

former member

 

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[FONT=&quot]INT. COMMISSIONER GORDON’S OFFICE – POLICE HQ [/FONT][FONT=&quot]–[/FONT][FONT=&quot] MOMENTS LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon enters. He finds OFFICER CLIFFORD MERKEL (uniformed cop, early 30’s), a LAWYER (DANIEL PRATT, 50’s) and his client (ALAN WALLACE, late-20’s) in a neck brace, arm in a sling, and one of his legs in a cast.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]MERKEL[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](to Gordon)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sir, Mr. Wallace is here with his lawyer.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Who?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PRATT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Commissioner, my client and I have been waiting on you for the last hour.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon looks Wallace over, smiles, amused.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sorry but I’ve been rather busy. Gotham PD has its hands full.
(re: Wallace)
There’s vermin loose on our street. So what is it I can do for you counselor?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PRATT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My client has yet to be charged, Commissioner, and with good reason. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Clark[/FONT][FONT=&quot], get me the Deputy on the phone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](to Pratt)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mr. Wallace was spotted fleeing the scene of a felony and fired on police men with an illegal weapon. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PRATT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No loot, no robbery and my client has yet to be identified as having fired upon your men. As for the weapon, Batman planted it on my client after violently assaulting him. My client was beaten within an inch of his life on the night of his arrest, Commissioner... A broken nose, a shattered femur, three broken ribs, a badly fractured leg... And that brace around his neck isn’t for laughs... And not to mention his emotional trauma. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Emotional trauma?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PRATT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The only real crime was committed by the Batman. You should hunt down that lunatic instead of hounding my client.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon rubs his face. This is going to be a long and exhausting day.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Merkel, draw up release papers for emotional trauma here.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EXT. PRISON YARD PEÑA DURO PRISON – SANTA PRISCA - DAY [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Bane sits at a table alone eating his meal. He looks up, casing the place: The yard is about 35 yards wide and 90 yards long. Surrounding the yard are 20 foot walls. A wire fence with barbed wire on top run atop the walls. Armed guards patrol along the top of the walls, looking down at the inmates.

ON BANE, taking all this in. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A few beats later, Bane reaches for the aluminum mug sitting on his food tray, slides it under his shirt.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. GORDON’S OFFICE - NIGHT[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon is seated behind desk leafing through paperwork. Occasionally he glances up at the small television is his office.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ON TV: The host MIKE ENGEL, 40’s and two other guests in a roundtable discussion.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ENGEL[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For months now, criminals have been found[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]battered and seriously wounded... The Batman’s methods of capture are seemingly growing more violent and brutal. Is the Batman dangerous to Gotham?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GUEST #1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hardly as dangerous as the criminals he’s putting away. Gotham is a city of thieves and murderers and people too frightened to hope. Batman is something we need.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GUEST #2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yes, but how long can we continue to condone this type of violent behavior? Enough is enough. The Batman bent the rules, and now he’s broken them. Is he above the law? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon flips the channel. Another talk show, this time a TV reporter interviews passers-by on a street... [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ON TV:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]TV REPORTER[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What do you think of Gotham city’s most famous champion, sir?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PASSER-BY #1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Most famous champion?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PASSER-BY [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, he’s sure keeping the hospitals busy.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PASSER-BY [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He’s putting the bad guys in jail ain’t he? So what if he’s sending them to the hospital? They ain’t on the streets. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PASSER-BY [/FONT][FONT=&quot]#4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Batman? He makes me sick![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon shakes his head, frowns. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ON TV: Host of the show EDWARD NASHTON (early 40s, tall, slender build) listens to his guest.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GUEST[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]... he’s given his life to Gotham –- the city, the people... He’s our protector.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]NASHTON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But don’t you think Batman’s terrorist actions and explicit law breaking help create the very evil he’s fighting against? What was the prevalence of costumed criminals like the Joker before the Batman? Clearly there’s a correlation. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon clicks off the broadcast. He reaches for a cigar in his desk, lights it, inhales deeply. Gordon gets up, moves to the open window. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](looking out; to self)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How did we let you get this far? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](shakes his head)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I don’t know if I can protect you on this one.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]THE CAMERA PULLS OUT, MOVING SEVERAL STORIES UP... finally settling on Batman, perched atop a buttress, poised, still as a stone statue, gazing down at the streets below, watching like a hawk in its aerie. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. EDWARD NASHTON’S OFFICE – NIGHT[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A neat and pretentious looking office laden with books, journals and periodicals. Edward Nashton sits, quiet, working diligently on a crossword puzzle.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. STUDIO – HALLWAY – A BIT LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Edward comes out of his office, continues down the corridor. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. OFFICE OF THE STUDIO EXEC. – MINUTES LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Large, regal. The executive producer, TERRY MCNULTY (silver-haired, mid-50’s), is seated behind his desk. A knock on the door and Edward enters.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDWARD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You wanted to see me, Terry?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]MCNULTY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yeah, come in Edward. Take a seat.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (a beat)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We have a problem, Ed. It’s your ratings. They’re plunging. Down 15% compared to last month. Apparently, and perhaps not surprisingly, no one’s sold on your “the Bat made me do it” theory. You’re trying to turn the viewers against their caped crusader with your perverse opinion-spewing and I don’t think they appreciate it. What’s more your advertisers are getting skittish. Like it or not Ed, the public is on Batman’s side. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDWARD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I think we should give it time. After all, the evidence is clear. In fact, I think we should seriously consider interviewing some ‘Bat’ villains on show. This way viewers can better grasp my point. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]MCNULTY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](laughs)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hell, you’re not serious are you? You’ll come off like a clown, Ed. It’s a news show, for goodness sake, not a circus. Keep it dignified. Conventional. It’s what the public wants.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](then)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Also, cut out the holier-than-thou attitude and haughty language. It’s hugely unappealing. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A beat.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDWARD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Let me think it over.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]MCNULTY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No Edward. Don’t like it, you can always resign.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Edward clenches a fist beneath the table, trying to control his rage.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. EDWARD’S OFFICE – MOMENTS LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Edward strides around in silent rage, a caged lion, muttering to himself. He slams his desk angrily. A beat. Edward takes a seat in his swivel chair. CLOSE ON EDWARD as he leans back on his chair, gathering his thoughts. A long beat and then Edward suddenly rises from his seat, fetches a coat, opens the door to his office and exits.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. BANE’S CELL – PEÑA DURO PRISON – SANTA PRISCA – NIGHT[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Dark, dank cell. The only available light is the pallid moonlight. Bane has the aluminum mug in his hands. Almost effortlessly, he rips off the handle. He moves to the cell wall. Calmly, he scrapes one tip of the mug handle against the concrete wall, producing a jagged weapon. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. AISLEWAY – PEÑA DURO PRISON – SANTA PRISCA – LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]It is raining outside. There is an occasional rumble of thunder that echoes through the silent cell house. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A prison guard walks down the aisleway. He walks by a row of cells, looking in at the sleeping inmates as he passes. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The guard reaches near the end of the aisleway, passing Bane’s cell. The guard stops, sensing something. He turns and looks down at the ground by Bane’s cell. An aluminum mug sits on the floor by the cell door. The guard traces back, looks at Bane through the cell bars. Bane is perfectly still, asleep. Everything looks normal. The guard bends to pick up the aluminum mug. As he rises... Bane’s arm SHOOTS through the cell bars, grabbing the guard by the throat. Bane leans in...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]BANE[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](whisper)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I need your keys.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Bane’s other arm shoots out and, with the aluminum weapon in[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]hand, he stabs prison guard repeatedly in the neck. Lightning flushes illuminating Bane and the prison guard.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. VENTILATION SHAFT – PEÑA DURO PRISON – SANTA PRISCA – LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Bane scales up a ladder rapidly. It’s a 40 foot climb. The end of the shaft opens onto the cellhouse roof. Iron bars cover the shaft preventing any exit. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Bane reaches the top of the shaft, steadies himself. He pulls out a section of pipe from his waistband, slides it through the iron bars. Using the pipe as a lever, Bane bends the bars. Then using his hands, Bane bends the bars further, wide enough for him to climb through. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. CELLHOUSE ROOF – SECONDS LATER[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The night is dark and wind strong. Search lights crisscross the roof. Bane waits a moment in the darkness. He looks around. The prison is in the middle of the ocean. There’s nothing around for miles. But Bane looks on unperturbed. The lights are turned off and Bane makes a run for the roofs edge... sprinting... He LEAPS, over a railing, hurtling into the empty night space...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON BANE as he hangs in flight... then descends, disappearing into the jet-black waters.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. UNMARKED POLICE SEDAN – NIGHT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
DETECTIVE HARVEY BULLOCK, mid-30s, short, stocky, a hydrant built, and rookie detective, BERNARD DUNHAM, seated on the driver’s side.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Dunham is in pursuit of a DELIVERY TRUCK, sirens blaring. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Damn that sucker can move! Goddamn Joker copycats... Better step on it, Dunham, Gordon’ll have our heads if we lose ‘em.
(alarmed)
Hey, eyes on the road.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
DUNHAM[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](looking up)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What is that?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What’s what, kid?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Bullock looks up.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] In the sky light, which catch a glimpse of a large, bat-like figure swinging along directly above the chase.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Heh, right on time. Slow down kid. It’s out of our hands now.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]DUNHAM[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But we’re under orders. Arrest the Batman on sight.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sure. When he’s finished.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]UP ABOVE,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Batman swings into view, landing on rooftops, jumping fearlessly, cape flaring dramatically. Again he shoots his grappling gun, swings as if gliding, lowering downwards for the truck.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. DELIVERY TRUCK – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Inside, two burly thugs in clown masks (MURRAY and DENIS), and behind the wheel, a much larger man, unmasked, with hardened facial features... Meet WAYLON JONES aka CROC. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]IN THE SIDE MIRROR – DENIS’ POV[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Batman swinging in closer[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]DENIS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jesus! It’s him. It’s Batman.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]CROC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shut up![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Croc shifts gears, accelerating. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. STREET – SAME[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON THE TRUCK, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]as it swerves, bumps, scrapes through traffic.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ON BATMAN,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] as he plummets, and then THUMPS onto the roof of the speeding truck. He uses a PNEUMATIC MANGLING DEVICE hidden in his palm, chops straight through the roof and holds on.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Croc swiftly turns the wheel. The truck veers sharply, tires screaming. Batman swings wildly on the roof –-[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. CONSTRUCTION SITE – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The truck crashes through a fenced-gate of a construction site. Croc loses control as the truck turns too sharply and begins to tilt sideways toward the driver’s side. Batman [/FONT][FONT=&quot]holds on as the driver side of truck slams onto its side and slides along. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]As this happens, Batman leaps off the toppled truck and out of sight into the shadows.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The truck spews smoke from the hood. Croc kicks out the windshield, pulls himself through. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
MURRAY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Oh my God –- My leg! Help me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
CROC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](to Denis, re: Murray)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Leave him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Croc and Denis make a run for the building.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Soon after Batman emerges from the shadows, stands over Murray, dark and macabre. Murray stares wide-eyed, terrified and quaking, frightened out of his mind.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
MURRAY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Oh, Jesus... Please, I-I give up. I surrender... Please![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Murray[/FONT][FONT=&quot] screams as he is engulfed in darkness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON BULLOCK AND DUNHAM, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]as they arrive. Dunham spots Batman moving in the shadows, headed for the building. Dunham pulls out a handgun. Bullock holds his gun hand down.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Let him do his thing, kid.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] BUILDING[/FONT][FONT=&quot] – MOMENTS LATER[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Croc and Denis skulk in the shadows, guns drawn.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
DENIS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Damn! I-I can’t see nothing –-[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
CROC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shut up! And stay close. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Suddenly a grapple rope wraps around Denis’ leg and yanks him[/FONT][FONT=&quot] down and out a window. Denis screams, freaking as he disappears into the darkness.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ON CROC,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] he sees immediately what’s happened and reacts, starts firing indiscriminately into the ceiling and all around him.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Just then a shadow drops in the background. Croc whips round. As he goes to aim his gun, a BATARANG hits it and the gun goes flying.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Croc lunges forward at Batman... BOOM! They collide like two rams, locking and grappling. A brief struggle follows and then Croc hoists Batman in the air, hurls him several feet. Croc ensues his attack with a ground assault, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]delivering a devastating barrage of punches to the head with unprecedented viciousness. Almost faster than the eye can follow, Batman traps Croc’s right arm between his legs and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]–- CRACK! Just the sound of Croc’s arm breaking. Croc screams with the pain. Screams with anger. He reels back. Clutches his broken arm.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]CROC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What, you gon’ cripple me too?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman runs up, leaps up in the air at Croc... his knee shoots out to rearrange Croc’s facial cartilage and -– CRUNCH! Croc goes down, knocked out cold.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] BUILDING[/FONT][FONT=&quot] – MOMENTS LATER[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman secures Croc with a ZIP-TIE. During this Dunham approaches from behind with his gun drawn.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
DUNHAM[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Freeze Batman. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman rises, stares Dunham down with demonic eyes. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
DUNHAM (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Uhh -– I mean it. You’re under arrest.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Again Bullock pushes Dunham’s pistol down.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jesus kid, you just get off the short yellow bus? He’s being patient with you as it is.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](to Batman, re: Croc)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Heh, Croc. Not a bad piece of work. Say, y’mind if we take credit for this one, Bats?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Bullock turns. Batman’s already gone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK (CONT’D)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](shrugs)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He didn’t say no.[/FONT]

 

[Fresh Prince]

Bane may not be as smart as Batman, but he still compose a deadly threat to him...Again he does not need Ras training, he uses steriods/drugs to give him super human abilities...Plus he is a wrestler like fighter anyways...He always been that way...No point in changing that part about him up...The man is smart anyways like I said...He figured out Batman was Bruce Wayne, broke criminals out of prison so he could study Batman in action, atatcked Batman when he did noy expect it...Half of that Batman does....Study criminals so he can beat them...Sneak attack them so they do not expect it...Bane in some ways is equal to Batman already.

 

[rfU]

...The man is smart anyways like I said...He figured out Batman was Bruce Wayne

How though? This was never clear to me, he just looks at Bruce Wayne and all of a sudden realized

broke criminals out of prison so he could study Batman in action, atatcked Batman when he did noy expect it...Half of that Batman does....Study criminals so he can beat them...Sneak attack them so they do not expect it...Bane in some ways is equal to Batman already.

All that's true, but you don't develop that strategic and calculative mindset automatically. He has no militaristic or tactical training. Even if he learned all this from reading books, he still wouldn't have managed to out think and out manuevre Batman. I see nothing wrong with making him Ra's student, its a more practical origin story. And if we've learned one thing from this new Batman franchise, its that you don't need to closely follow the source material to produce a good story

 

[Ace of Knaves]

If you wanna change Bane that much, why use him? Just create a whole new character or something.

And if anyone is to be adapted to be a former student of Ra's I reckon Slade would be better. Like a anti Batman who kills, who goes all the way in the hunt for justice.

 

[BestGirl]

If you wanna change Bane that much, why use him? Just create a whole new character or something.

And if anyone is to be adapted to be a former student of Ra's I reckon Slade would be better. Like a anti Batman who kills, who goes all the way in the hunt for justice.

I don't see how making Bane Ras's student is that much of a change. It's just an alteration of his origin, not his personality or methods. Besides, looks what Nolan has done to Batman's other villains:

Ra's - Actually Henri Ducard. Might not be immortal.
Scarecrow - Works at Arkham.
Joker - Paints his face and doesn't use gag weapons.
Two-Face - Scarred by the Joker in an explosion and he didn't have a dual personality.

Bane being a student of Ra's is no more of a change then any of those, and it would provide a nice connection to BB.

 

[Mr. Earle]

All that's true, but you don't develop that strategic and calculative mindset automatically. He has no militaristic or tactical training. Even if he learned all this from reading books, he still wouldn't have managed to out think and out manuevre Batman. I see nothing wrong with making him Ra's student, its a more practical origin story. And if we've learned one thing from this new Batman franchise, its that you don't need to closely follow the source material to produce a good story

So cant there be someone with skills out there who didnt get them from Ras? Bane was naturally intelligent, he read a few books and used their teachings wisely. Also, his plan in Knightfall wasnt some plan that only a genius could think of. Break out all the Arkham inmates. Let Batman catch them so he that gets weary, and then just as he is about to get some rest, fight him at full strength and steroids. He is smart, but not that smart.

Scarecrow - Works at Arkham.

Depending on the comic book, Crane has worked at Arkham at some point.
The point is that Nolan didnt really change the basic origin or modus operandi of each villain. But now you take Bane and place him in a completely different origin. This is deeper than the Joker not being permawhite. It's like the Joker being a Kryptonian (too much? ).
Not to mention that it would overplay Ras. I mean, he trained batman, he used Scarecrow and now he trained Bane. Its not Batman that draws the costumed lunatics, its freaking Ras!

 

[Mr. Earle]

True, but there's no way he could outsmart batman just reading a couple of books in a prison library. This way, being Ra's protege, he's just like Batman, only on the opposite side. I think this would make for a better and more interesting match up.

Like Ace of Knaves said, why use Bane if you re going to change him so much? Make up a new character or something.

Sounds too much like the Bane in the Batman & Robin movie. don't think that would translate well in the Nolan-verse.

Bane is no ninja, be it comics, B&R, BTAS. You do know his suit is based on the suits that Mexican wrestlers wear, right?

IMO forget the steroids. I don't like the idea of Bane having such an advantage over Batman.

Then you simply dont want Bane. After all these changes that you described, only the name remains.

 

[returntovoid]

Like Ace of Knaves said, why use Bane if you re going to change him so much? Make up a new character or something.

I think they could use David Cain, he was a member of the League of Assassins, in the comics.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Also, many people suggest that Bane could be one of Ras students that now deals justice by killing, so that would obviously bring him into a confrontation with Batman. But that was already done with Ras. Yeah, he didnt exactly go crimefighting, he was more about massacring people so that civilisation will rebuild itself, but still, the whole issue of killing or not killing was dealt in BB and TDK as well.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Don't want to get into a musical debate or anything but to me anyway punk rock is extreme and classical is subtle.

well played, jmc..well played indeed

 

[BestGirl]

Depending on the comic book, Crane has worked at Arkham at some point.

I didn't realize that. I thought he just worked at Gotham U.

The point is that Nolan didnt really change the basic origin or modus operandi of each villain.

Having Two-Face being created by a make-up wearing Joker in a warehouse explosion isn't changing the origins of these characters? It isn't changing Two-Face's MO to take away his split personality?

I don't see how making Bane one of Ras's students is such a dramatic change in origin, and it certainly shouldn't affect his MO. He can still inject himself with steroids, release all the inmates in Arkham, and attack Batman at his weakest and it can all still be his idea.

But now you take Bane and place him in a completely different origin. This is deeper than the Joker not being permawhite. It's like the Joker being a Kryptonian (too much? ).

Did you ever see the permawhite thread? A lot of people argued convincingly that making the Joker flesh-colored represented a major psychological change to the character.

Not to mention that it would overplay Ras. I mean, he trained batman, he used Scarecrow and now he trained Bane. Its not Batman that draws the costumed lunatics, its freaking Ras!

Since Ra's is probably Batman's most powerful villain I wouldn't mind.

 

[rfU]

Like Ace of Knaves said, why use Bane if you re going to change him so much? Make up a new character or something.

could do. But only Bane can "break the bat". No one else.

You do know his suit is based on the suits that Mexican wrestlers wear, right?

Yep I realized. Not very subtle though, is it t:. That's what I didn't get about the Knightfall series, how's a 300 pound guy in a wrestling suit shadow the Bat without being detected? This is why making a 'ninja' or a former league of shadows member makes more sense. To me at least.

Since Ra's is probably Batman's most powerful villain I wouldn't mind.

Also I didn't like how they got rid Ra after just one movie when he's meant to be Batman's most dangerous foe. This way at least, even though dead, he still he can still pose a threat to Batman.

But really though, what's all the fuss about Bane's origins? Is it more intriguing that Bane was born in a prison? Or that he used to carry a teddy bear around with him

 

[rfU]

And is anyone even reading my script?? If it sucks, let me know

[FONT=&quot]INT. NEWSROOM – MORNING[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A large room swarming with TV producers, associate producers, writers and head writers, production assistants, cameramen, newscasters, reporters, etc. Phones ring. Computers hum and keyboards clack. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Edward comes out of his office, crosses through the newsroom when he sees newsroom personnel gathered in and around of McNulty’s office. Something’s going on... [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ACROSS THE ROOM,[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Gordon enters flanked by two officers. They head for...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. MCNULTY’S OFFICE – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Several news personnel huddled around McNulty’s mahogany desk. Gordon and his men push through the crowd. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Okay, no one touch nothing. What is it?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon looks down at the desk. It’s a small parcel with question-marks printed all over. No postmark. No stamp. Just the word “Batman” written with [/FONT][FONT=&quot]letters cut out from newspapers and magazines.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDITOR #1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It’s addressed to Batman.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As Gordon reaches to open it.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDITOR #2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Wait! Is it safe? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon ignores him as he tears the package open.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How long has Mr. McNulty been missing?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDITOR #1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Not sure. His wife says he never came home last night.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon removes a letter, again written with [/FONT][FONT=&quot]letters cut out from newspapers and magazines. He reads it out loud:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The man who made it doesn’t want it. The man who bought it doesn’t need it. The man who needs it doesn’t know it?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Curious looks around the room...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EDWARD (O.S.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It’s a riddle.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The entire room turns at this.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, anyone know the answer?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A beat.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]EDITOR #2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coffin. The answer’s “coffin.”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Silence. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ON GORDON, deliberating. Then...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](talking quickly)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Alright, everyone outside. I want this room secured and dusted for prints. Call in every available officer. Tell them to head to every funeral home, every crematorium, morgues and hospitals downtown. Tell them to look at out for anything out the ordinary. Suspicious. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Beat as Gordon examines the question mark insignia printed on the parcel.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Tell them to look out for question marks. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EXT. CEMETARY – LATER[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The place is swarming with uniforms. Gordon stands among them, tense and anxious. Bullock approaches.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We got nothing, Commish.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon shakes his head at the news.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So who is this guy?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]McNulty? Friend of the mayor.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon and Bullock walk among the headstones. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The letter said we had until noon.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](looks down at watch)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We have less than ten minutes. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Maybe we got it wrong. Maybe “Coffin” ain’t it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. INDUSTRAL ZONE – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Remote and deserted industrial area. Factories and trucks. A four-door sedan sits, abandoned. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. PARKED CAR – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
McNulty wakes. He looks around, alarmed. He’s in the driver seat, bound to the steering wheel, his mouth taped shut. McNulty looks up at the dashboard... There’s a bomb with a timer counting down. McNulty’s eyes widen. He starts to struggle.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. CEMETARY – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon looks around at his men. His face wrapped with concern. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. PARKED CAR[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
McNulty struggles mightily. But it’s no good. He looks at the timer... 0:17... 0:16... 0:15... Time’s running out.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. NEWS ROOM[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
There is a clot of people gathered around McNulty’s office, eyes on the wall clock. In b.g., Edward sits alone, watching everyone. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. CEMETARY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon looks down at his watch, sighs heavily.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. PARKED CAR[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The timer counts down: 0:05... 0:04... 0:03... 0:02... 0:01...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON MCNULTY, terrified out of his skull...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. INDUSTRIAL ZONE – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
We wait for the impending explosion but nothing happens. Seconds later and we hear the car horn.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. CEMETARY – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon stands, feeling helpless, a resigned look on his face.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. NEWS STUDIO – NIGHT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Edward, seated at his anchor desk, pensive. After a moment... [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
PRODUCTION ASSISTANT (O.S.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Five seconds...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Edward shuffles his papers. A beat. Edward looks into the monitor and says:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
NASHTON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Good evening viewers. Earlier today we reported on the kidnapping and sudden passing of GNN network exec., Terry McNulty. Details are still sketchy, but one thing is clear, we have a new ‘Bat’ villain in Gotham. Soon after today’s fateful events, our network received a letter bearing a black question-mark insignia. The letter is addressed to you, the viewers. It reads: Citizens of Gotham, allow me to formally introduce myself, I am the Riddler. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. SQUAD ROOM – MAJOR CRIMES – POLICE HQ – SAME TIME[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Det. Bullock and Det. Dunham enter.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It was coordinates. Longitude and latitude. Each letter represented a number... I mean, I ain’t the world’s greatest detective but c’mon.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Dunham scratches his head, trying to makes sense of it all.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] They stop by a TV playing in the corner of the room.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What’s this?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON TV:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
NASHTON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I am the one responsible for the kidnapping of GNN exec, Terry McNulty. Again, it was I who sent the riddle which the police were unable to decode. Regrettably this duly led to the demise of Mr. McNulty, but do not think of me as a murderer. Had the police been able to solve my rather abecedarian riddle, Mr. McNulty would be very much alive and not destined for a hole in the ground. Anyway, why am I here in Gotham? And what do I want? Simple... What takes flight at night, what sees without sight? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Edward pauses a moment, looking up from the note, and back down again.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
NASHTON (cont’d) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I do not crave money, power, influence or destruction... My motivation is simply a worthy adversary to my more cerebral and frankly, more sophisticated methods of villainy. And from now on, no more puerile nonsense and cheap world play... Let’s make things more interesting. More challenging. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Until my next riddle, Adieu.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]EXT.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] GOTHAM CITY[/FONT][FONT=&quot] – NIGHT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gotham City stands, as always, sinister against the night. The BAT SIGNAL shines against the dark clouds.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. ROOF – MAJOR CRIMES – POLICE HEADQUARTERS – NIGHT [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Bullock saunters out onto the roof. Gordon is there standing by a giant projector beaming the makeshift BAT SYMBOL. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He ain’t shown yet, huh, Commish?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No not yet Bullock. Tell you the truth I’m not surprised.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](re: bat signal)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nice Bat Signal. You build it yourself? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](laughs to himself, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]amused)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You know the Mayor won’t appreciate it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Let him write me a reprimand. I answer to the people of Gotham, not the Mayor. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Oh, the Mayor requested your pleasure. Now. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Figures.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BULLOCK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Probably about the new color scheme for his office.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon checks his watch. He turns away, disappointed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](re: bat signal)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shut it off.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. LIMO - NIGHT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bane sits opposite Talia in the back. He stares out his window watching city blur past.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
TALIA[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How did you escape?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Bane looks at her. Smiles and then turns back to the window.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
TALIA (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I’ve managed to assemble part of your team. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BANE[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Unnecessary. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
TALIA[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Consider them your back-up unit, then. You failed my father and he spared you. I will not grant you the same leniency[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Bane gives Talia a look, then nonchalantly...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BANE[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
I will not fail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] BUILDING[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - NIGHT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The limo pulls up in front of a tenement-like building. Bane and Talia get out.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] BUILDING[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The freight elevator door grinds to a halt as it arrives at its destination. Elevator doors slide open allowing Bane and Talia to exit. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
We’re in a vast room, a cross between an armory and laboratory. Three men approach – meet ZOMBIE a frail-looking, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]discerning, full of dangerous potentials we can only guess right now[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; TROGG, a muscular warrior sporting a beard/shaved head combo; and finally BIRD, bleach-blond with a perfect physique. Bane shakes hands with all the three men.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BIRD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It has been many years, Bane.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Trogg hands Bane a crude homemade skeletal mask. Bane studies it, memories rekindling.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ZOMBIE[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We’re ready to begin. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BANE[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](still looking at the mask)
Good. We have plenty to prepare for. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. GORDON’S APARTMENT – NIGHT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
We hear keys twisting and the door swings open. Gordon enters, weary and haggard. The apartment is dark, empty. Gordon stands a moment, waiting, as if expecting... but he’s alone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. GORDON’S APARTMENT – KITCHEN - LATER[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon sits alone at kitchen table, alone, eating his microwave dinner. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. GORDON’S APARTMENT – LIVING ROOM – LATER[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon has fallen asleep in one of the living room chairs. Mouth agape, snoring lightly. A dark shape enters the frame and looms over him. A beat.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BATMAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Commissioner?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon leaps out of his seat several feet. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jesus! You scared me half to death. How did you –- [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BATMAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]McNulty, he died of a heart attack?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](nods)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yes. Four open heart surgeries in the last three years... Most recent surgery was approximately eight weeks ago. All this Riddler had to do was keep McNulty away from his medication long enough and then threaten his life, guaranteeing McNulty a massive heart attack. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](sighs)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Mayor’s having a fit over this. As if you weren’t enough.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](then)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Whoever this guy is, he’s very smart and even more dangerous. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BATMAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Thinks” he’s smart. He’s just another Joker-inspired nobody giving us the run around, trying to impress with his riddles.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I wish I could be so sure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon’s phone rings.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hello? Yes Merkel, what is it? What?![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](to Batman)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We’ve just received a letter back at the precinct... from the Riddler.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](into phone)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Read it out to me Merkel... What’s Green, whistles and covers a lot of ground?... What the hell? Hold on.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Gordon looks across to Batman, still in the shadows.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON (cont’d)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What do you think?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman stares off, thinking. Then...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BATMAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Train? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
GORDON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Green? The green railway line? Jesus![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](into phone)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Merkel, get the bomb squad on the phone. And put me through to Gotham Rail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](turns to Batman)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What’re you going to do -- ? Batman?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman is already gone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. STREET - CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
A new and redesigned version of the BATMOBILE slaloms through traffic, like a sleek black missile, going at three times the advised speed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
UP ABOVE, an elevated train blurs along at a high speed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. BATMOBILE - CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman drives, shifting gears, accelerating, in close pursuit. The engine roars. Batman presses on a button, the driver hood slides open, cold air whips around. Batman slams a lever and he shoots out skywards spectacularly like a torpedo... [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
IN MIDAIR[/FONT],
[FONT=&quot]
Batman quickly whips out his grappling gun and fires the grappling hook at the train. The hook catches on the train roof.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INT. TRAIN CAR - CONTINUOUS [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Commuters in the last car ride along in blissful ignorance, completely unaware. Suddenly a heavy thud is heard. A moment then rear door is swung open. Batman appears, cloak flapping wildly behind. Commuters gasp as Batman enters the passenger car. Batman moves along briskly, eyes scanning --[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman enters into another passenger car, commences his search, looking under seats, scanning faces... Still nothing. Then he sees an advertisement for a new, slick cellular phone, posted on the compartment wall. Written below: “So Sexy, it’ll make you Whistle!”. The image gives Batman pause. He stares a beat, eyes narrowing. Next he notices a teen seated close by with the same exact cell phone, aimed at Batman for a picture. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman suddenly grabs the cell phone. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
TEEN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hey![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman turns the cell phone over. There’s a black question mark printed on the back. Batman reacts, alarmed. He looks over at the passengers...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
BATMAN[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](roars)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]MOVE!![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Commuters scamper. They knock each other over as they attempt to flee.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman slams his fist against a window. No effect. Next he grabs onto the handrails, starts kicking at the window over and over, grunting with each strike... until the glass finally cracks and glass explodes all around. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Batman hurls the bomb out the window and... BOOOOM! A fiery explosion that shatters every window. Batman is flung backwards brutally like he weighed nothing. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON BATMAN,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
On all fours, covered in glass, bleeding from the mouth, his costume ripped in a dozen places.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
INT. ALFRED’S ROOM – WAYNE MANOR – MORNING[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
ON ALFRED as he silently packs up some of his belongings into two suitcases.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
EXT. WAYNE MANOR – CONTINUOUS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Alfred steps out onto the gravel driveway carrying his suitcases. A cabbie steps out of a parked cab to help Alfred with his luggage. Alfred stops, turns, takes one final look at the towering Wayne Manor. A look of sorrow on his face. A beat and then he enters the cab.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
The cab drives off, passing through the massive gates.[/FONT]

 

[ALittlePush]

No dream. I figure with Ledger gone we can forget about the Joker in this Batman series. I thought it was a pretty cool intro. Give the Joker a good sending off. He's not dead, just crippled.

I feel its a little out of character for Batman to be snapping necks especially as a broken neck can be fatal. I know people can survive having one but generally a broken neck means you're buggered.
I thought the scene worked well as a dream sequence as I felt it was showing Batman's inner emotions. I.e Batman wants to snap Joker's neck but would never allow himself to do so in reality as that would be lowering himself to Joker's level.
However, as the scene is not a dream sequence, I feel that Batman is acting more like Bane than he is as Batman, what with breaking the criminals bodies. Is this meant to create mirroring between the two characters? Or is it so that Bane can stitch up Batman later on by breaking someone important and everyone thinks it was Batman?

Just crippling the Joker feels that he is going out of the franchise with a whimper rather than a bang. IMO, Joker is too big a character to just appear as a cameo. In an ideal world, Ledger would still be alive and well and able to reprise the role. However, he is not. Recasting the part is always going to rub some people up the wrong way, but if you do do it, I think it should at least be for a worthwhile part rather than just a cameo. If a cameo is all Joker is going to have then it is probably better to have no Joker at all.

 

[ALittlePush]

Is Catwoman meant to be a prostitute or something?

I'm interested in where you're going with this script what with Alfred leaving and The Riddler having said who he is?

 

[BestGirl]

^All that and crippling the Joker completely negates his "I think we're destined to do this forever" speech.

 

[ALittlePush]

^All that and crippling the Joker completely negates his "I think we're destined to do this forever" speech.

Exactly.

 

[BestGirl]

But really though, what's all the fuss about Bane's origins? Is it more intriguing that Bane was born in a prison? Or that he used to carry a teddy bear around with him

Heh, I don't know. There's certainly no reason he couldnt've been born in a prison, carted around a teddy bear, and then run into Ra's.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Having Two-Face being created by a make-up wearing Joker in a warehouse explosion isn't changing the origins of these characters? It isn't changing Two-Face's MO to take away his split personality?

The how isnt so important, but yeah i agree that this twoface wasnt a split personality, but just Dent going ape**** because of Rachel's death. You re right on this one.

Did you ever see the permawhite thread? A lot of people argued convincingly that making the Joker flesh-colored represented a major psychological change to the character.

It was hard to miss!
I personally think that this is one of the most accurate interpretations of the character, save for the permawhite and toys. But he still was scarred (although those scars could be fixed with surgery) and his characterisation was bang on. But anyway, the comics joker constantly reinvents himself, constantly changes his mondus operandi and psychological status so i could see him like Nolan's at some point. For example recently Morrison turned him into a butcher with white skin. The comics joker is just... random.

Since Ra's is probably Batman's most powerful villain I wouldn't mind.

Yes he is, but i think its time we move on from Begins and its consequences and fill the city with all kinds of freaks. Besides, we already have a villains with ties to Ras. Talia. So just bring her.

could do. But only Bane can "break the bat". No one else.

Many other villains have broken him psychologically, perhaps the joker more than most, but bane was the one to break his back. Personally, i wouldnt want to see Knightfall adapted to the big screen. Not even a film scarcely based on that. Batman just started. When they 'll have done 10 more movies in the same continuity, they could give him a sabbatical, but now, its too early.

That's what I didn't get about the Knightfall series, how's a 300 pound guy in a wrestling suit shadow the Bat without being detected?

Because its comics!
Anyway, Batman was busy recapturing all the escapees so he didnt have time for Bane.

Also I didn't like how they got rid Ra after just one movie when he's meant to be Batman's most dangerous foe. This way at least, even though dead, he still he can still pose a threat to Batman.

I didnt like that either, but Ras has survived worse in the comics, so i still have hopes that if they keep the continuity going in the years to come, a bolder director will bring him back through a lazarus pit. So i still have my hopes up.

And is anyone even reading my script?? If it sucks, let me know

Its too long. Why dont you put down your main plot points instead of writing a very detailed script with tons of dialogue?

 

[Jolly C.]

I found this in another forum and i was just wondering if anybody thinks this is a good look for the riddler?...IMO i think it looks decent and im trying to get ideas because im gonna draw him up and i liked this look.

 

[Jolly C.]

.....except for the mask, he should instead wear some shades

 

[rfU]

I feel its a little out of character for Batman to be snapping necks especially as a broken neck can be fatal. I know people can survive having one but generally a broken neck means you're buggered.

actually i took it straight out of "the dark knight returns" comic. It set in future with Batman coming out of retirement. The Jokers gone on a killing spree and Batman's finally had enough of it. Its different because at this point the Jokers killed hundreds so its perhaps understandable whereas in my script its not too long after the events of TDK.

If a cameo is all Joker is going to have then it is probably better to have no Joker at all.

you make a good point and it certainly is out of character for Batman to do so, but i thought this scene would be both cool and memorable. Plus who better to drive Batman to the egde than the Joker. Originally I wanted to a scene at the end with the Riddler being locked up in Arkham and then being locked in a cell close to the Jokers. The Joker would then taunt him or something of the sort.

Is Catwoman meant to be a prostitute or something?

Yep.

Personally, i wouldnt want to see Knightfall adapted to the big screen. Not even a film scarcely based on that. Batman just started. When they 'll have done 10 more movies in the same continuity, they could give him a sabbatical, but now, its too early.

I'm certain the Nolans won't be doing more than 3 Batmans (might not even do a 3rd one). And I hope no one attempts a foruth, fifth, sixth, etc in the same continuity because... well, we all saw what happened to the Diehard and Terminator franchises . If there is a third Batman movie, it will be the Nolan's last.

Because its comics!

that's the thing, the Nolanverse is different from the comics. its darker and grittier with an element of realism. THere's no room for a Bane in a wrestlers outfit. And IMO, its a really bad idea to give the Riddler a whole outfit. Maybe the hat and tie, and the cane, but a green suit wouldn't translate well in a Nolan movie

Its too long. Why dont you put down your main plot points instead of writing a very detailed script with tons of dialogue?

I might just do that.

Thoughts on my Riddler? Or even my 'riddles'?

 

[jmc]

I found this in another forum and i was just wondering if anybody thinks this is a good look for the riddler?...IMO i think it looks decent and im trying to get ideas because im gonna draw him up and i liked this look.

My issue with it is that in terms of style it's very reminiscent of the Jokers costume layout just with different colours.