Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[DarthSkywalker]

Wilson did call for backup.

And what if you missed?

You are hedging, you do realize? You are crafting a scenario for the answer you want. But to answer your question, next would have been the pepper spray.

How is it that on Cops police are confronted with so many situations where they end up in combat with citizen, and rarely if ever does someone gets shot? Heck, I have seen tasers and pepper spray not work, and they still wrestle people down to the ground. Sometimes much bigger then them.

Cops act very differently when they are held accountable.

 

[Kelly]

Wilson couldn't have rolled up his windows and locked his door when Brown moved away from him? Couldn't have used mace, which is basically impossible to miss with?

Are you saying use mace when he came through the window, or mace when he was coming back at him?

 

[KalMart]

You are hedging, you do realize? You are crafting a scenario for the answer you want. But to answer your question, next would have been the pepper spray.

How is it that on Cops police are confronted with so many situations where they end up in combat with citizen, and rarely if ever does someone gets shot? Heck, I have seen tasers and pepper spray not work, and they still wrestle people down to the ground. Sometimes much bigger then them.

Cops act very differently when they are held accountable.

It's not like it's impossible that Wilson overreacted…that's way the investigate his for. But it must have started with some provocation, and then possibly even more instigation, and that has to be taken into account as well.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I remember the police officially stating that Officer Wilson had not stopped Brown because of the store theft. But, that he had stopped Brown because he was walking in the street.

Well, turns out that wasn't accurate...even though it's what was said by the Ferguson Police Department.

 

[Kelly]

And, lets not forget that there is still a Federal investigation going on that goes far deeper than just this case.

 

[Sun_Down]

Are you saying use mace when he came through the window, or mace when he was coming back at him?

Either. Both. Grab it as soon as you think the guy is hostile.

The diagram given to the GJ that they just showed on CNN shows Brown getting 25 feet away from the car at one point. And Wilson following him. If you're so scared, why not use that time to get into your car?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They are, certainly moreso than most non-police individuals...but a real fight or high-stress situation is still something else. That's why military/special forces are trained to the extent that they are. If qualifications had to be anywhere near that high, we just wouldn't have enough people who could lake it and we wouldn't have enough cops (we often don't anyway).

So it is unfair to some extent to expect the cops to be 'above' human when either treated in-humanely or faced with extreme danger. they will likely try harder not to escalate than Joe Shmo off the street would, but they're not Super-Ghandi. Lots of responsibility lies with people not to harass and instigate as well. Doesn't make it right to get shot, but one should know that things can escalate to that if they want it to.

I'd rather have proper cops then "enough" crap cops.

And that is beyond BS to me. Doesn't instigate or harass a cop? Except that is what many cops do with the general public.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not like it's impossible that Wilson overreacted…that's way the investigate his for. But it must have started with some provocation, and then possibly even more instigation, and that has to be taken into account as well.

The provocation and instigation came from both sides. Wilson testified to it. But only one person ended up dead.

 

[Kelly]

Either. Both. Grab it as soon as you think the guy is hostile.

The diagram given to the GJ that they just showed on CNN shows Brown getting 25 feet away from the car at one point. And Wilson following him. If you're so scared, why not use that time to get into your car?

As far as doing it in the car or at that close range, that is against procedure, and there is a reason for that....IT'S STUPID. You end up getting it as well...why did he not use it once they were both out of the car? I don't know, except that he was one cop, there were two of them...I just don't know, but using it at close range ain't smart.

 

[SuperJediHero]

OMG this black lady on CNN interviewed is smiling WTF why is she smiling? I for one, can't find any of this crap amusing!

It is a DARK day, and not supposed to be smiled about.

 

[KalMart]

The provocation and instigation came from both sides.

That's possible as well.

Wilson testified to it. But only one person ended up dead.

Could have been two if Brown was armed. Then its would have been twice as tragic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

OMG this black lady on CNN interviewed is smiling WTF why is she smiling? I for one, can't find any of this crap amusing!

Wow, just wow.

 

[Sun_Down]

OMG this black lady on CNN interviewed is smiling WTF why is she smiling? I for one, can't find any of this crap amusing!

She's talking about how horrible it is. At least listen before you get on your high horse. Sometimes people have stress reactions that include smiling.

 

[Kelly]

FINALLY, the media has asked where the National Guard is....and, now there is a no fly zone over this area because of the people shooting into the air.

Good grief....

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As far as doing it in the car or at that close range, that is against procedure, and there is a reason for that....IT'S STUPID. You end up getting it as well...why did he not use it once they were both out of the car? I don't know, except that he was one cop, there were two of them...I just don't know, but using it at close range ain't smart.

I have absolutely no problem with what Wilson did in the car. I do have problems with how he approached Brown and what he did after the confrontation in the car.

 

[Sun_Down]

As far as doing it in the car or at that close range, that is against procedure, and there is a reason for that....IT'S STUPID. You end up getting it as well...why did he not use it once they were both out of the car? I don't know, except that he was one cop, there were two of them...I just don't know, but using it at close range ain't smart.

OK, then what about my other point: going back to the car, if you feel so threatened. This reads just like Zimmerman, "I was scared for my life, so I followed the guy instead of retreating to the safety of my car."

 

[Kelly]

That's possible as well.


Could have been two if Brown was armed. Then its would have been twice as tragic.

And we probably would not have heard about it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's possible as well.


Could have been two if Brown was armed. Then its would have been twice as tragic.

It isn't simply possible. Wilson admitted it on the stand.


And Brown wasn't armed, which is why this is a tragedy.

 

[KalMart]

I'd rather have proper cops then "enough" crap cops.

Tell your government to put more money into law enforcement and education for a start.

And that is beyond BS to me. Doesn't instigate or harass a cop? Except that is what many cops do with the general public.

If/when cops so that then it's clear that they've been conditioned to. Moreso in areas higher in crime. Bot saying cops are completely unaccountable, but they didn't just pull it out of thin air. But the important thing is to see each case through and determine whether it really is a case of corruption or not.

 

[Kelly]

It isn't simply possible. Wilson admitted it on the stand.


And Brown wasn't armed, which is why this is a tragedy.

I believe that testimony was that he was not sure that Brown was unarmed.

 

[KalMart]

It isn't simply possible. Wilson admitted it on the stand.

Doesn't mean that he challenged brown to get violent or that Brown was right in doing so….until we hear everything

And Brown wasn't armed, which is why this is a tragedy.

The tragedy is the altercation, Brown's death is the unfortunate result.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tell your government to put more money into law enforcement and education for a start.

I do. It doesn't help.

If/when cops so that then it's clear that they've been conditioned to. Moreso in areas higher in crime. Bot saying cops are completely unaccountable, but they didn't just pull it out of thin air.

The same can be said for people who live in high crime areas. They are conditioned not to trust cops because of their aggressive demeanor and bullying tactics.

Except the difference here is the cops are paid to do their job properly.

 

[Tempest]

You are hedging, you do realize? You are crafting a scenario for the answer you want. But to answer your question, next would have been the pepper spray.

How is it that on Cops police are confronted with so many situations where they end up in combat with citizen, and rarely if ever does someone gets shot? Heck, I have seen tasers and pepper spray not work, and they still wrestle people down to the ground. Sometimes much bigger then them.

Cops act very differently when they are held accountable.

You are hedging too. You seem to think that the officer had all the time in the world to behave in a calm and reasonable manner. In all reality, it took about 90 seconds from start to finish.

The truth is, the reason why police are trained to use such force is because these incidents can go haywire very, very quickly.

And yes, I agree, there are plenty of cases of police using inappropriate force. My point is, this is not that case. This is a terrible case to show police behaving inappropriately.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Doesn't mean that he challenged brown to get violent or that Brown has right in doing so….until we hear everything

I am not saying he should have become violent. What I am saying is that a cop with some actual skill and care wouldn't have got into a verbal confrontation with a civilian. Such actions clearly escalate a situation, one that ended withe cop perfectly fine and the citizen dead.

No, the tragedy is the altercation, Brown's death is the result.

Not according to anyone I have heard speak tonight. That includes the DA and President.

 

[Kelly]

OK, then what about my other point: going back to the car, if you feel so threatened. This reads just like Zimmerman, "I was scared for my life, so I followed the guy instead of retreating to the safety of my car."

Well, at that point you are now comparing a citizen with a police officer. You have a wanna be cop doing what a cop would do, with an actual cop.

But, honestly, I have a big problem with both Brown and Wilson... Why didn't Brown simply keep an eye on Brown from a distance and wait for back up, and why did Brown turn around, when he had a chance to book it outta there. I just don't know.