Rogue, they ruined her, or did they?

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

Even if Rogue's powers come back, all hope is not lost. She could always have Leech be in the room to regress her powers while they...consumate their relationship. LMAO

I personally think that it sucked that she wasn't part of the last stand. I would imagine that everyone would lose a lot of respect for her considering they had to fight Magneto without her. I could see Bobby dumping her because he didn't respect her anymore.

 

[skruloos]

Even if Rogue's powers come back, all hope is not lost. She could always have Leech be in the room to regress her powers while they...consumate their relationship. LMAO

I heard that Leech loves to watch.

 

[Savage]

Hey that's fine. It's great that X3 has good commercial success. But it doesn't necessarily make it a better movie. Independence Day is a fun movie and it grossed a ton of money. It's one of my guilty pleasure movies that I watch when I'm looking for something fun and visceral where I can turn off my brain. It doesn't mean it's a better movie than The Godfather.

What if Godfather was panned by both critics and movie patrons alike?

What exactly does make a good movie? Without including your opinion. Just use facts. Tell me what makes a good movie because I still don't know (and apparantly it has nothing to do with people actually liking it).

 

[skruloos]

If an x-men movie lacks imagination it fails. end of story.

Then by your definition, X3 fails completely.

 

[skruloos]

What exactly does make a good movie? Without including your opinion. Just use facts. Tell me what makes a good movie because I still don't know (and apparantly it has nothing to do with people actually liking it).

A good movie? A developed character arc for the major players. Consistent characterization. Special effects that support plot points and are not placed simply as eye candy. Showing cause and effect instead of explaining it through expository dialogue.

 

[uknowho]

The movie Rogue is a disturbed teenager, not the fried chicken eater from the 90's series. Get over it. I think Anna deserves more screen time but what they did wasn't bad at all. Ms. Marvel isn't going to appear out of nowhere for Rogue to absorb her powers permanently.

 

[skruloos]

The movie Rogue is a disturbed teenager, not the fried chicken eater from the 90's series. Get over it. I think Anna deserves more screen time but what they did wasn't bad at all. Ms. Marvel isn't going to appear out of nowhere for Rogue to absorb her powers permanently.

Yes. I'm well aware that this Rogue is not the one from the comics or the animated series. Which is why I'm outlining her arc from the movies and how it doesn't make sense to have her take the cure.

 

[dusk soldier]

I don't get why everyone keeps bringing up what happened to Magneto as if he got over the cure? Did the chess piece actually move?!?

It tipped over. And in a way that you could honestly blame it on the wind. Or maybe he knocked the table. Or maybe a telekinetic mutant is torchering him.

I don't disagree with the possiblity of the cure not being permanent. But I think it's a little too early to be taking it as gospel. Only three mutants were cured anyway, and they've all been in too many of the movies.

 

[Savage]

A good movie? A developed character arc for the major players. Consistent characterization. Special effects that support plot points and are not placed simply as eye candy. Showing cause and effect instead of explaining it through expository dialogue.

Hmm. Alright fair enough. So why is Hulk so widely panned?

 

[dusk soldier]

Her motivation would have been more believable if we actually saw more of her longing to be "normal" other than her jealousy of Bobby and Kitty. The problem is that the movie focused so much on playing that triangle that the audience could see no other reason as to why Rogue would want to take the cure. They didn't show us any scenes to make us believe that Rogue would do it for herself and not for Bobby. They talked about it a lot, but they didn't show it. That's a big mistake in filmmaking.

no, that was the point of showing her getting jealous over such trivial things. Instead of giving Bobby and Kitty a real love affair.

How could she be doing it for Bobby, when he didn't even want her to be cured in the first place. Didn't he go to Worthington labs to try and talk her out of it?

Is is so wrong for her to want to be able to give her boyfriend head?

 

[skruloos]

how does x3 lack imagination?

The beautiful fight scenes, the thoughtful symbolism, or the numerous laugh out loud moments?

I'll give you the fight scenes. But thoughtful symbolism? In what scenes? And laugh out loud moments? "I'm the Juggernaut *****" Yes. Real clever.

Hey man. I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a fun ride. I just feel it was empty and didn't engage me beyond a visceral experience. The movie was nice to look at. I just didn't get emotionally invested in any of the characters.

 

[skruloos]

Hmm. Alright fair enough. So why is Hulk so widely panned?

Because of special effects spectacle that didn't support the special effects? Because it was more cerebral then people expected from a Hulk film? Because the pacing didn't support the plot of the movie? It could be any number of reasons.

 

[skruloos]

How could she be doing it for Bobby, when he didn't even want her to be cured in the first place. Didn't he go to Worthington labs to try and talk her out of it?

Because she did it so she could be intimate with Bobby. Her whole motivation centered around her relationship with Bobby. Sure, she SAYS she did it for herself but the movie doesn't show that. The movie shows us that she does it because she fears she'll lose Bobby to someone he can touch.

 

[skruloos]

*yawns*

BOR-RIIING!!!

To each his own. You want slam-bang meaningless action. Good for you. I expect more from a film in order to label it great.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

id like to see her go through her emotional turmoil when her powers return while shes touching someone but for some reason cant let go and she kills them

 

[The Caped Knight]

The movie version of Rogue {from X1, to X2 and now X3} sucked. I understand she wanted to have a realtionship with bobby/Iceman because she thought Kitty was stealing him, but was it really worth it.

I prefered the 90's animated series of X-Men, Where even thought she different , she's accepted the fact that this is who she is . And that she is an important member to the team . If for know other reason, I think if Gambit was in X3, we may have seen the comic & X-men :TAS version of rouge .

 

[neemer5]

I think it would be awesome if Rogue began to regret her choice. She feels incomplete and unhappy. When she is then put in a situation where she is helpless, (and may inevitably die), the trauma will trigger the gene again, kill the person, and restore her powers (with or without permanently absorbing the other person's powers).
That would be plausible and satisfying.

 

[skruloos]

Every scene with angel.

And what was the symbolism, praytell?

The golden gate bridge being moved for sinister purposes.

How is that symbolism?

Rogue being cured and Beast's mixed feelings regarding the cure. Magneto moving the chess piece.

Neither of those are examples of symbolism.

Magneto's terror attacks warning tape resembled Bin Laden and probably alot more I missed.

One form of allegory out of your entire list.

What about Mystique ratting out Magneto or Callisto's lip stud glowing from heat or the lady locking her door after Magneto moves the bridge or Kitty tricking Juggs or the guard threatening Mystique or Wolvirne gowing back and forth with Beast. This was by far the funniest X-men movie.

I found the the joke with the lady locking her door, Kitty and Juggs, and the guard threatening Mystique to be quite juvenile humor. Exactly what I'd expect from Mr. Rush Hour. Mystique ratting out Magneto and the glowing lip stud were good character moments.

I almost teared up at many scenes in X3. I felt nothing watching X1 and X2. That's one of the reasons I can't understand why people attack X3 so much.

And I can't understand how you teared up in any scenes. I didn't care for anyone in X3. I felt more for Rogue's pain with her mutation in the few scenes she shared with Bobby in X2 then I did with her jealousy plot in X3. The only character I came close to caring about was Beast in the scene with Leech. That's it.

Xavier's getting defensive with Wolverine about his actions with Jean caused me to distance myself from the character so that I doubted he had good intentions with Jean. As a result, I didn't care what happened to him. Also, Cyclops was acting like a complete jerk before he left the mansion, also severing any emotional ties to him so I didn't care what happened to him either.

I felt more in the final scene of X2 with Scott and Wolverine trying to get out of the X-Jet then I did in the entirety of scenes with Scott and Jean or Jean and Logan in X3.

But hey, to each his own. You got X3. I'm satisfied with X1 and X2. It all works out.

 

[Angamb]

I don't like for the films, the idea of characters returning from death or losing and then having their powers again. In the comics could be good, but for the films I think it's a bad move, having been a more realistic version of the comics, a more realistic comic adaptation.

It's like all can happen now in the films, and that's very very bad. the deaths don't matter at all now... so the people don't feel anything then. Like has happened to me this time.

 

[Angamb]

I didn't care for anyone in X3. I felt more for Rogue's pain with her mutation in the few scenes she shared with Bobby in X2 then I did with her jealousy plot in X3. The only character I came close to caring about was Beast in the scene with Leech. That's it.

I felt more in the final scene of X2 with Scott and Wolverine trying to get out of the X-Jet then I did in the entirety of scenes with Scott and Jean or Jean and Logan in X3.

But hey, to each his own. You got X3. I'm satisfied with X1 and X2. It all works out.

Agreed with you.

 

[Speedball]

It'd be great if her powers came back at a moment of Xtreme passion, like the first time she kisses Gambit. that would be a great reference to the first movie, when she kisses the guy, then she freaks out about what she had done.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And what was the symbolism, praytell?

.

are you honestly that dense to not understand any of the symbolism in angels scenes?

first theres him as a kid trying to cut off his wings... wich symbolises being embaressed of what you are as well as fearing rejection and dissapointment to your parents

then theres him with his father getting the cure, in order to please his father his dad wants him to be something he is not.

breaking free and jumping out the window symbolises freedom of opression and admitting to yourself who you are

angel flying away while leech staired at him symbolises angels freedom and how leech wishes he could be free

angel in the mansion was a powerful scene because he symbolised the very reason the school must stay

and angel rescueing his dad symbolised forgiveness and showing that you still love your parents wether or not they agree with who you are.

in alot of way angels symbolised in my eyes what its really like to be gay in the world today.

 

[Genixx]

well, if it is temporary as it suggested..maybe we will see rogue with the her powers and maybe she will get a new one...flight

 

[skruloos]

are you honestly that dense to not understand any of the symbolism in angels scenes?

first theres him as a kid trying to cut off his wings... wich symbolises being embaressed of what you are as well as fearing rejection and dissapointment to your parents

then theres him with his father getting the cure, in order to please his father his dad wants him to be something he is not.

Neither of those two count as symbolism. They are blatant representations of self-loathing.

breaking free and jumping out the window symbolises freedom of opression and admitting to yourself who you are

angel flying away while leech staired at him symbolises angels freedom and how leech wishes he could be free

These are two possible examples of symbolism, the latter being the best case for symbolism.

But his "freedom" is not fully explored at all so the symbol is hollow.

angel in the mansion was a powerful scene because he symbolised the very reason the school must stay

How so? Again, this is a blatant representation. Not symbolism. That was a plot point and quite an obvious one at that.

and angel rescueing his dad symbolised forgiveness and showing that you still love your parents wether or not they agree with who you are.

That is open to interpretation.

 

[the a1ant]

I hope the cure (for the most part) remains permanent. I think that'd hurt the emotion behind X3, if Mags, Mystique, and Rogue are mutants again by X4