Rogue, they ruined her, or did they?

[Karea07]

I hope there are better things to come for Rogue in X4

 

[Dark_Zavin]

I bet the cure is temporary, they can't just do that to rogue, she's a very important character..and If handled well, she'd have a more important role in X4..with some ACTION

 

[theJust]

well if the cure is temporary i dont want to see magento back with mystique i think that relationship has ended.
and i wish they would have used that alternate scene , with her standing up for her powers and saying no im sorry this is who i am bobby.

 

[SuperT]

Taking the cure is ridiculous because all it means is that she gave up.

No it doesn't. Do people not understand that Rogue can NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER touch another human being. Because of this, she can never kiss her future lover/husband, never have any type of intimate relationship with them, never have a child or family of her own. Basically being cut-off from everything.

I thought there was nothing wrong w/ her getting the cure. In fact, I thought it would be kind ridiculous for her not to get it, then to be stuck w/ not being able to ever touch someone.

As for the cure not being permanent, I don't know. I took it that it wouldn't work on mutants above a certain level, thus, Magento's last scene of him moving the chess piece. But then again, the key word "surpress" did come up quite alot. They never said it got rid of the mutant gene, just surpress it permanently. And hell, that was even said before it was tested on any mutant, so you never know.

We shall have too see in the future.

 

[The Kid]

She can touch leech.

 

[Savage]

well if the cure is temporary i dont want to see magento back with mystique i think that relationship has ended.
and i wish they would have used that alternate scene , with her standing up for her powers and saying no im sorry this is who i am bobby.

Yeah, I think she should do her whole mercenary thing now and that's that. Have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver replace her.

 

[PhoenixRisen]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but maybe she should have had Leech move into the room next to hers, with their beds next to the same wall. Then she could "touch" Bobby as long as Leech's power would go through the wall and Leech didn't leave his room to go to the bathroom or anything??

 

[Savage]

hahaha. That'd work.

 

[Katsuro]

Yeah, Rogue's problems are solved as long as she doesn't mind letting Leech watch, or if he promises not to look.

On the other hand... how far apart in age are Leech and Rogue?

In all seriousness though, I think this provides an excellent opportunity for Rogue. As suggested earlier, she could regain her powers while touching someone, and somehow end up killing them and permanently absorbing flight, super-strength, and invulnerability, as well as altering her personality. We could finally see comic book Rogue on screen!

 

[Diamondhead]

Rogue, like Angel, served the movie best by being a symbol for mutant self-hatred. This is far more important than Rogue being in extended fight scenes.

The cure isn't permanent just like I thought along watching this good X men movie
But I’m also a little bit shock over the death of Cyclops and Professor Xavier at the hand of dark phoenix because I thought they'd find a way to bring them back at the end!

I also think it was bold to show how things would end up in real life and not keep them alive for the sake of comic books etc...

Now I understand why some brat fan didn’t like it because they are upset over the death of those characters
But let’s face it if comic book character was for real, lots of them would die a long time ago and one of the first to go would be the batman
Unless you are superman you would be pushing up daisies because your superhero life wouldn’t last long against guys like Galactus or Darkseid!

 

[Diamondhead]

I bet the cure is temporary, they can't just do that to rogue, she's a very important character..and If handled well, she'd have a more important role in X4..with some ACTION

I never really like rogue in the 80’s X men animation series

First of all she was nothing but the replacement for one of my favorite character (colossus) and she wasn't an original character with those powers
Because those abilities first belong to the absorbing man !

She was nothing but an idiotic character made up by some nitwits working for marvel

And I think with all her problem not being able to touch and kiss boyz etc...She should have been the one committing suicide and not colossus
In the comic book story line

 

[DACrowe]

It is a runing. I mean she was being built as one of the most central characters to the trilogy by Singer and I stand by that he was building up to her helping defeat Magneto and bringing the trilogy full circle.

But to just write her out and undermine the tragedy of her character in the first movie and her struggles in the second, meh. I would have preferred if they weren't going to use her (which was a huge mistake in its own right) that she would have had her return without the cure and she was going to make a life with (or without) Bobby as a mutant.

I mean she is the first character besides Magneto they introduce us to and they completely undermine her. But they also undermined Cyclops and Magneto so this is just another painful strike this production team and studio hit us with.

 

[TheVileOne]

They set it up in the movie that she won't get the cure and will come in at help at the end, but instead she gets the cure.

What a freaking joke. They totally ruined the payoff they set-up.

There was no payoff to Bobby/Kitty either.

So much set up and no payoff in this movie. So many lost chances so they could keep the "ADD FRENETIC PACING!"

 

[sky_boy_16]

I never really like rogue in the 80’s X men animation series

First of all she was nothing but the replacement for one of my favorite character (colossus) and she wasn't an original character with those powers
Because those abilities first belong to the absorbing man !

She was nothing but an idiotic character made up by some nitwits working for marvel

And I think with all her problem not being able to touch and kiss boyz etc...She should have been the one committing suicide and not colossus
In the comic book story line

^Sounds like someone's angry. I don't know, I think Rogue was better for the cartoon than Colossus would have been. Colossus was just super strong. Rogue was more dynamic with her powers *strength+flight+absorbing*, as well as emotional ties to the story *if you ask me, TAS handled Rogue and her perspective of the cure a little bit better than the movie*.

And even if Rogue didn't take the cure in the movie, it's not like she'd NEVER, EVER, EVER touch someone again like someone else stated. Rogue's powers can be controlled. I find it a cop out that she did take the cure instead of keeping them and trying to control them. I was even wondering if I should call this character Anna Paquin is playing 'Rogue'. To be honest I loved X3, I thought it was great... until the end when Rogue takes the cure... then everything goes to hell and my heart starts to hurt. There's my ten second rant...

 

[Sketchee]

It's wrong that rogue aborted her bab--chose to take the cure. It's her body, but it's wrong!!

 

[popopo]

Actually if they make an x4 I like the fact that they made her take the cure. If she does get her powers back I see her finally accepting herself the way she is. I saw the cure as more mental than physical just because of the whole magneto thing but course just my opinion. Antibodys dont remain in the blood do they or atleast active? Need to look in my genetics book lol.

 

[skruloos]

It's wrong that rogue aborted her bab--chose to take the cure. It's her body, but it's wrong!!

She can do whatever she wants if she was a real person. However, the character is not a real person. She is a contrived character. As such, she has established how she reacts in situations. Her choosing the cure completely contradicts what is established by her character and not other character moments are given to justify why she would make that type of decision.

If good motivation was actually explored for her and justified her decision, then a lot of people would have less problems with it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I was actually pissed that Rogue gave up and took the cure. It was selfish of her.

 

[skruloos]

People forget some things.

1) Rogue is a teenager and thinks about boys and kissing more than an adult would.

Yes. She's also a character created with motivations and a story arc. Expectations are created by the type of character she has been written as.

2) Rogue is a woman and woman have maternal instincts. To drive this home to people they should have shown Rogue staring longingly at mother holding her baby in her arms. Rogue wants a baby, NOW DO YOU GET WHY SHE WANTS THE CURE?

Maybe if they didn't show so many scenes of her looking jealously at Kitty, we could actually believe there was more to her wanting the cure then petty sexual urges and it might have justified her choice.

I think if Rogue was more attractive like Mandy Moore people would empathize with her inability to have contact more. The tragedy being a sexy woman who's forbidden from being sexual in any way. That dynamic is missing completely from the movies. Too bad.

Wow. That's a pretty broad and rather juvenile generalization of the character. Maybe if the character arc had always focused on her wanting to get a cure instead of on her coming to accept her curse, then her choice would be much more believable and justified. Such is not the case.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Neither of those two count as symbolism. They are blatant representations of self-loathing.


These are two possible examples of symbolism, the latter being the best case for symbolism.

But his "freedom" is not fully explored at all so the symbol is hollow.


How so? Again, this is a blatant representation. Not symbolism. That was a plot point and quite an obvious one at that.


That is open to interpretation.

dude your way to critical, you must really have a skrew loose if you cant see symbolism even if it smacks you in the face

 

[Eros]

takeing the cure was the most logical and human step, it was the most realistic thing about the move. please somebody tell me if they could live with Rogues powers?

 

[skruloos]

dude your way to critical, you must really have a skrew loose if you cant see symbolism even if it smacks you in the face

No. Symbolism is easy to see. Those were simply not examples of symbolism. They were blatant representation.

 

[skruloos]

takeing the cure was the most logical and human step, it was the most realistic thing about the move. please somebody tell me if they could live with Rogues powers?

No. But then again, that's me being a real person. Rogue is NOT a real person. She had a pre-established story arc. The problem is that her choice was not supported by what we previously know about her character and no justification was shown in the film itself.

 

[Eros]

wanting to touch is not a justification? do you have someone special Skrukloos? If you do, could you go without touching them at all forever?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

skruloos wont understand.. dont bother