why are we doing that argument now? All I said was that if people didn't have a problem with character strength consistency in the cartoon, why should they have one now? ...oh that's right because cartoons didn't have an ass hole director. But now that you bring it up; I do remember waking up on Saturday mornings to see jive talking robots, mixed with hick and Asian and even south Bronx talking robots doing and saying silly, stereotypical things. I remember naked bi-peds running all over the place, more ass shots than I can count to be honest. I remember robot farts and other bodily functions. I don't ever remember hearing the F word in the cartoons though, you've gotta hand it to bay on that one, I know you can only drop the F-bomb once in a pg13 film and he really pushed the envelope on that....damn does the man not know the meaning of restraint. Now he's gone an offended everyone I thought it was a cool fight, I thought all fans did. Someone told me they just figured the optimus of old wouldn't cut loose in a city full of people. Whereas in the forest he was especially driven based on principle. As for what happened in TF3. Megatron is a walking corpse, his own crew probably doesn't even fear him anymore. simple, just because he's "rich" doesn't mean he can't have troubles. ergo the king George comparison.