Scream 4!!!!! - Part 4

[Anjow1060]

Spidey/Joker/Dark Defender,

-Cotton's "hit" from the bookshelf
-Tyson's fall/trip from the rug
-Patrick Dempsey's ridiculous reactions to objects hitting him

were all 10x worse than "****, Bruce Willis" and "I'm Gay!"

Hell, Tatum's death was ridiculous. No garage door could lift a 130lbs woman. But, we don't give that ****...

RJ, I could punch you square in the face right now for being so wrong right there. Seriously... maybe I'd give ya the gay one... but Bruce Willis is unforgivably the worst moment in the entire series.

- Jow

 

[Doctor Jones]

This...

Trevor probably has more screentime than Mickey.

Hallie (I always want to call her Angela because of Boy Meets World), Derek, Sorority Chicks, Cameraman (S2), "Parker Posey", Tyson, Angelina, Tom, and Sarah were all worse/annoying/dumb additions compared to these new kids.

Mickey might have had just as much actually.

I really liked Derek. Him and Cotton were always the ones that I suspected the most. Even though it may have seen obvious it couldn't be the boyfriend again, they did such an amazing job to really make it a possibility. I saw the third before the second, and knew Cotton died, but they were still able to make me suspect him. The standoff in the finale was tense too.

It's just a testament to Craven and Williamson.

The supporting cast of the third were pretty much non existent to me. Roman stands out because he is the killer and Posey stands out because she was kind of annoying. I liked some of her aspects, and I liked Kincaid too.

Pretty sure it's Bad Karma.

No matter how much I was pissy about the movie... I left the theatre singing that song all 3 times. lol

- Jow

Yup, it was now that I remember back.

 

[The Dark Defender]

The comedic stuff in Scream 4 were quick. People still jumped and screamed in my theater. it was still a horror film.

The only time the film felt intense to me was

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that closet bit I mentioned.

To me, the rest of the film felt like a comedy and my audience reacted to it as such; the audience reaction wouldn't have bothered me, if I hadn't agreed with it.

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I've been DYING to see Ashley Greene in something good and was extremely disappointed when she turned down the part of Jill. After seeing it Emma did pretty well and Jill is one of the best things about the movie, she is sort of a female Roman, but I like the social commentary they were going for and having a cute, innocent looking 'new Sidney' be the killer was cool. I'll give the film that.
However even the finale kinda bordered into comedy with how OTT that beat down was, that run head first into the wall would've fractured her damn skull, and she gets up from being electrocuted in a matter of about 8 seconds...and she's asking Sid if SHE'S Michael Myers.

 

[antsman41]

RJ, I could punch you square in the face right now for being so wrong right there. Seriously... maybe I'd give ya the gay one... but Bruce Willis is unforgivably the worst moment in the entire series.

- Jow

Yeah but there was set up with the Bruce Willis, the punchline was him repeating it right before he dies. It had a reason, just like the gay remark which pokes at Randy's analysis of Stu/Billy and you can see [BLACKOUT]Charlie react like, "oh ****, my BFF probably likes me..." while Robbie was just doing it because "I'm Gay!" is "Uncle!" to a kid in a real life scary movie.[/BLACKOUT]

People can say anything right before they die, "Son, I am dissapoint."

- I know that wasn't a serious response but I'm being serious...

But, rarely does anyone trip backwards from a rug, break their neck (crack!) then still yell while being thrown threw a window or get thrown over a desk because of being popped in the face from a bookshelf.

idk, we can debate this forever but none of us want to end up in a padded cell.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Still not seen this movie yet, probably go see it over the easter weekend. Can someone tell me if there are any references to Randy or an appearance by his sister??

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No, but there is a quick refrence to BIlly Loomis.

 

[antsman41]

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I've been DYING to see Ashley Greene in something good and was extremely disappointed when she turned down the part of Jill. After seeing it Emma did pretty well and Jill is one of the best things about the movie, she is sort of a female Roman, but I like the social commentary they were going for and having a cute, innocent looking 'new Sidney' be the killer was cool. I'll give the film that.
However even the finale kinda bordered into comedy with how OTT that beat down was, that run head first into the wall would've fractured her damn skull, and she gets up from being electrocuted in a matter of about 8 seconds...and she's asking Sid if SHE'S Michael Myers.

But, I'd do that.

I'd ask someone, whom I'd know, who can't die if they were MM because that's what real people do.

We all use pop culture to overide our real feelings and emotions. Pop Culture is our Topenga [if you've seen the episode 617 Resurrection of Boy Meets World, you'll understand]

Hell, it's just like when;

-originals relate a woman killer to Basic Instinct
-Town that dreaded sundown

and everything else in this series.

 

[The Dark Defender]

But, I'd do that.

I'd ask someone, whom I'd know, who can't die if they were MM because that's what real people do.

We all use pop culture to overide our real feelings and emotions. Pop Culture is our Topenga [if you've seen the episode 617 Resurrection of Boy Meets World, you'll understand]

Hell, it's just like when;

-originals relate a woman killer to Basic Instinct
-Town that dreaded sundown

and everything else in this series.

Oh, I didn't really have a problem the line, I was just commenting on the irony of

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her asking Sid that, then getting up from an electrocution in under 10 seconds.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Which makes Scream Scream. These characters mention a cliche and it happens to them.

Like Sydney in the first film saying how the girl should be running out the door instead of going up the stairs but does just that when Ghostface chases after her.

 

[antsman41]

Oh, I didn't really have a problem the line, I was just commenting on the irony of

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her asking Sid that, then getting up from an electrocution in under 10 seconds.

I wish Wes would just let a killer die right away for once.

Billy getting up after 5 minutes is fine/ok.
Mickey getting up 20 minutes later was dumb.
Roman getting up was plausible because of the vest.
But, [BLACKOUT]Jill[/BLACKOUT] getting up after the electrocution was dumb.

No matter what rules Randy (Wes) believes in. That's why I wanted this film to have a cliffhanger to break it's own mold that it created in 1996...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Which makes Scream Scream. These characters mention a cliche and it happens to them.

Like Sydney in the first film saying how the girl should be running out the door instead of going up the stairs but does just that when Ghostface chases after her.

Exactly.

 

[batsfan81]

Saw it today. Big Scream fan, I enjoyed it. Definitely the goriest of all the films.Felt wierd seeing these characters again but in a good way. They're was a suspension of belief going on, for people seeming clueless about what was going on around them. Did anyone else think Neve Campbell looked exactly like she did in the original when she was talking to Dewey on the couch?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yeah, Neve looked great. She hasn't really aged all that much, IMO.

 

[DACrowe]

Well, they are fun films in aot of peoples minds. MAybe it's because I love horror movies that i feel this way, but I do. I mean, I hate the Hostel and Saw franchise. To me ,that's mindless blood and gore. Jason? Yeah, there's blood, but there's more character development than Saw. Besides, ca't people just see films to have fun? Does it always have to be a gripping story?

I like the first Saw film but agree with you on all the sequels and Hostel films. I just find FT13 to celebrate the killing and are not meant to be scary but to celebrate a machete wielding protagonist whose only conflict is to come up with new ways to hack up the nubile teenagers who come to his lake. Particularly naked girls. I am just not a fan of that.

 

[The Dark Defender]

"I wish Wes would just let a killer die right away for once."

I felt the same way about Scream 3.

I think Sid and Roman holding hands is the best moment in the film and probably one of the best things the series has done.

Then they had to have him pop up just for a jump scare.

 

[DACrowe]

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Jill's is spot on too. We've all heard the sayings of what happens in real life you can't make up in the movies. It's what Jill and Charlie tried to do and Roman in a way. But his was more out of jealousy. At least Jill was a legitimate family member.

The funny twist is Roman was jealous and angry about his mother not wanting anything to do with him and barely knowing him while Jill barely knew Sydney and was jealous of her and wanting to be her.

I also love the fact that Jill's "Get away with it and blame it on the others" plan came to fruition. The fact we got to see more of the killer unmasked and doing more after the reveal was a great change. Seeing this little psycho ***** sneak into the hospital room and trying to kill her own cousin was ****ed up.

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I loved that part as well. We finally got to kind of see the killer's plan make it out of act 3 and actually working. If Sidney had died she would have gotten away with it too. The knife thing Gale figured out was circumstantial and she could always tell Dewy that Charlie stabbed her there like he did "that **** tabloid journalist." Dewy would be so pissed by that he'd accept it and be glad Charlie was dead again. It's just that Sidney's "harder to kill than Michael ****ing Myers." hehe

 

[The Dark Defender]

I think F13 is fun but I can understand thinking it's mindless, definitely not SAW though. That series is loaded with great morality play and that's why I've always loved it. Other than IV and VII I think all of their sequels surpass the original too. III and VI are my two favorites of the series.

Oh, and I think Hostel is utter crap, that, like this was also a film that I found to be way too silly, but atleast this film was still fun as a goofy parody type thing. Hostel was under the delusion that it was intense and disturbing when it was actually stupid beyond description. Atleast this film felt honest about what it is.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Did anyone else think Neve Campbell looked exactly like she did in the original when she was talking to Dewey on the couch?

Definitely. She's barely aged and looks exactly as she did in the first movie. Great to see her with long hair again, too.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah, they really captured the spirit of the Scream films and didn't do the usual mainstream **** you would usually find here. All within the spirit of them.

Which one was at the end credits. Was it Devils or Bad Karma first?

One problem I did have with Scream 4 was it didn't have that song that was in the other three movies.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Red Right Hand?

 

[DACrowe]

This...

Trevor probably has more screentime than Mickey.

Hallie (I always want to call her Angela because of Boy Meets World), Derek, Sorority Chicks, Cameraman (S2), "Parker Posey", Tyson, Angelina, Tom, and Sarah were all worse/annoying/dumb additions compared to these new kids.

I liked Derek and Caermaman in Scream 2. Though the only non-killer in a sequel that I thought lived up to the original ensemble is Kirby. But Derek's role as a plot device and as being the reason we ever saw Sid happy for a few scenes within these four films was nice.

I agree the entire cast of Scream 3 is forgettable and too meta-wink-wink. I don't remember any of them other than Parker Posey played someone because she's Parker Posey. So the inclusion of Kirby certainly gives Scream 4 an advantage in that comparison.

 

[Anjow1060]

YEP.

Red Right Hand's exclusion is among my list of things that P'd me off.

It's the unofficial Scream anthem.

*sigh*

- Jow

 

[antsman41]

"I wish Wes would just let a killer die right away for once."

I felt the same way about Scream 3.

I think Sid and Roman holding hands is the best moment in the film and probably one of the best things the series has done.

Then they had to have him pop up just for a jump scare.

Definitely epic scene, then totally ruined by the scare...

 

[antsman41]

Red Right Hand is too awesome to be MIA.

It is Scream. Even when it was overused in S2 i was still great.

I still left my right arm up and fake stab something whenever I hear it...

 

[DACrowe]

Still not seen this movie yet, probably go see it over the easter weekend. Can someone tell me if there are any references to Randy or an appearance by his sister??

They do mention him near the end in reference as one of the two teen survivors of the first movie.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

What did every one think of the score?

I've only seen the flick once, so I'm struggling to remember specific cues, but I wasn't that thrilled on first viewing. It was fine, but it lacked the lush, operatic layers that Beltrami had built up by the third film.