Scream 4!!!!! - Part 4

[Tron Bonne]

I blame all of the crappy Saw movies. Audiences have been dumbed down to accept torture porn and gore without any real story or plot as 'good' horror movies. It's a shame really...

Could be. Maybe what audiences want for horror movies have shifted so much nowadays that something like Scream doesn't have the same appeal it found in the '90s.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Though the Slasher remakes certainly don't have a hard time in theaters.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I guess that's true, but most of them have also kind of followed the trend of being more extreme and gritty, though. This movie did, too, to a degree, but it was more in a satirical, tongue-in-cheek kind of way. This had a really distinct old school slasher feel to me.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Look. I think this was a perfect capper as well. I don't see many ways they can go either, but if Williamson comes out and he states his idea and it's the most ****ing brilliant thing ever. I'll be right back where I was with Scream 4 in the beginning. Hated the idea of it, but they had a great idea and I got excited.

If it's a repeat of that and Williamson comes forth and the idea for Scream 5 is brilliant when it's greenlit, I'm not gonna nay say it. I already learned not to do that with this one.

Only if its brilliant . I don't want to see a sequel just to see a sequel and up with another Scream 3 or worse. . So it underperforming is not a bad thing to me , because if this it , I am more than fine with . It really came full circle .

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

As for The Collector wasn't that a theaterical release as well?

Hmmm, not 100 % sure. I think it was limited in some states.

 

[DACrowe]

The idea of rebooting or remaking a series after an installment that's message was ''**** REMAKES!" is dumb. Really dumb. The Weinstien's would get SOOO much **** for that.

Neve, David, and Couretney only make 5 million a picture for these. That's 15 million. The overall budget was 40 million. It's already past that at this point including overseas sales.

Horror films are made on the cheap. It's why there's never really a ''flop" in a series and we ended up with 8 Halloweens in the original series, 2 remakes. Same for Freddy and Jason's series. 8 installments for Freddy. 9 installments for Jason, 1 crossover for both. 1 remake for both. Don't count out a Scream 5 with Neve, David, Courteney just yet.

But the Weinsteins actually do have a lot of care for the Scream films which they get all nostalgic about like when it comes to Tarantino films, Robert Rodreguiez movies and Kevin Smith films (until after Clerks II where there was a falling out).

That's why they spent $40 million on Scream 4 vs. $15 million a pop on the Halloween remakes (which was splurging compared to $13 million on Resurrection). I don't think Es Craven with the whole cast can do a $15 million Halloween.

BTW Neve and David got $5 million apiece? Well done. Courtney Cox I can believe, but the other two haven't exactly had flourishing careers since Scream 3, so that is nice to read.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

BTW Neve and David got $5 million apiece? Well done. Courtney Cox I can believe, but the other two haven't exactly had flourishing careers since Scream 3, so that is nice to read.

It happens with other actors as well. It's too bad Neve and David don't do more work. They really are great actors.

 

[DACrowe]

Could be. Maybe what audiences want for horror movies have shifted so much nowadays that something like Scream doesn't have the same appeal it found in the '90s.

Well it has. Scream's post-modern style has been replaced with (mostly uninspired) remakes and torture porn. If Scream was the definitive horror franchise of the '90s, then Saw was the definitive horror franchise of the Bush Years decade. And that is a sad drop in quality, in my opinion.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well it has. Scream's post-modern style has been replaced with (mostly uninspired) remakes and torture porn.

That's just on the surface. Guys, trust me, there is more than what you see. There are yearly annual horror fests that show a whole lsew of new horror filsm that will go straight to DVD. There are just so many out there that are fantastic, but aren't in theaters.

 

[The Shape]

As I've said, I adored SCRE4M and I think it was almost the best they could have done with a fourth installment.

But having said that, I don't think a Scream 5 is likely and I think it's for the best. As self-aware and silly these movies are sometimes, they are still always grounded in somewhat of a meta-reality, and another series of murders would just be borderline absurd. One can only suspend disbelief to a certain extent, and Sidney being hunted for a fifth time just seems crazy to me, realllllly reaching a little too far. Even if Sidney isn't the focus, what's left to be said by a Scream film that hasn't been said? What would be the point?

I mean, Scream 4 is obviously a sequel in continuity with the original trilogy, but this movie is also as close to a remake/reboot that we're going to get for this series. It's almost like they killed 2 birds with one stone by creating a fresh take on Scream (11 years later) while also keeping it connected to the original films. I, for one, am so happy that it got made and that it turned out as good as it did, and I've been a HUGE supporter of this movie since it was announced. However, I just cannot for the life of me imagine a Scream 5 being worthy of being a part of the series.

Sorry to be a downer about the whole thing, but it's true. And with such ****** box office returns, I don't even think they are considering making a 5th at this point.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, they actually have been considering a Scream 5 AND 6 since before 4 was released. What question remainds now is if it's actually going to happen.

 

[Sith Scotti]

^^ Well, they actually have been considering a Scream 5 AND 6 since before 4 was released. What question remainds now is if it's actually going to happen.

This box office results may be for the best . We are getting a much better send off if this is than Scooby Doo aka Scream 3 . . I really don't know where they can go after taking on Remakes /reboots . How much more can they tie it back to Syd. Im in the camp that hopes this doesn't turn into the Saw series with 7 films

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

This box office results may be for the best . We are getting a much better send off if this is than Scooby Doo aka Scream 3 . . I really don't know where they can go after taking on Remakes /reboots . How much more can they tie it back to Syd. Im in the camp that hopes this doesn't turn into the Saw series with 7 films

Like I said, bring a storyline that inovles the father or possibly an obsessed fan. If Scream 4 is the end, as I said, I think it's a perfect send off. However, I do want a Scream 5.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Like I said, bring a storyline that inovles the father or possibly an obsessed fan. If Scream 4 is the end, as I said, I think it's a perfect send off. However, I do want a Scream 5.

Really another family member eh . The whole Roman none sense kind of ruined the idea of the Father to me . An obsessed fan , maybe , but right now I hope this is it . Unless the script is mindblowing and not merely good

 

[kickass]

The next step to satire is quite apparent, actually. Prequels.

 

[DACrowe]

That's just on the surface. Guys, trust me, there is more than what you see. There are yearly annual horror fests that show a whole lsew of new horror filsm that will go straight to DVD. There are just so many out there that are fantastic, but aren't in theaters.

Perhaps film geeks and horror fanatics may know of these, but the mainstream does not. The definitive horrors that define the last decade are Saw, Hostel and the remakes. The one's pop culture will remember in retrospective to compare to Scream ('90s), Friday the 13th ('80s) and Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre ('70s) will be those films, I have to say.

 

[The Joker]

If the lukewarm box office makes them reconsider doing a Scream 5, then I'm all for that. I agree with those who say Scream 4 should be the last. I think they've really exhausted all possible avenues as far as story goes.

The pit fall most slasher franchises fall into is they don't know when to stop. Something they very correctly point out regarding the Stab movies in Scream 4.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

I blame all of the crappy Saw movies. Audiences have been dumbed down to accept torture porn and gore without any real story or plot as 'good' horror movies. It's a shame really...

No story?

Torture porn? Barely. The only time that there was a moment like that was from Saw IV.

 

[DACrowe]

If the lukewarm box office makes them reconsider doing a Scream 5, then I'm all for that. I agree with those who say Scream 4 should be the last. I think they've really exhausted all possible avenues as far as story goes.

The pit fall most slasher franchises fall into is they don't know when to stop. Something they very correctly point out regarding the Stab movies in Scream 4.

Indeed. In some ways the "Stab 6 and Stab 7" opening is KW's way of showing how this series would look if it ran out of ideas and just started eating itself in a meta circle of irony.

BTW I agree this is a perfect ending if it stops, albeit one thing I did like about S3 was Sid standing up to the killer at the end and coming down from the mountain to kick his ass. They're both like "**** you." So, it's a nice end for her arc, but S4 is a great finale to the series.

 

[bullets]

One can only suspend disbelief to a certain extent, and Sidney being hunted for a fifth time just seems crazy to me, realllllly reaching a little too far. Even if Sidney isn't the focus, what's left to be said by a Scream film that hasn't been said? What would be the point?

I have no idea what Williamson has in mind. Only for that reason would I want this series to continue. Aside from that Scream 4 is a fitting conclusion.
5 and 6 focusing on Sidney and her family would of been overkill. At least with Scream 4 she's had a ten year break .

 

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Well with this movie underperforming at the box office scream 5 and 6 is unlikely. The only way I see that changing is if Scream 4 does amazing overseas and sells big on blu ray/ dvd. I was born in 87 and I didn't see the original Scream trilogy in theaters. It was'nt until I saw the parody movie Scary Movie 1 in the early 2000's that I went back and watched the scream trilogy.

So I think it's a generational thing. Scream just isn't as relevant or as fresh as it was in the 90's. People expect the dumbed down horror movies with little to no plot and tons of blood and gore. Which is sad because I really enjoyed Scream 4 and will buy it when it comes out on blu ray. This is comming from someone who NEVER buys any sort of horror movies on blu ray/ dvd. I usually rent horror movies because I am not a huge horror fan but Scream 4 was just a blast!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Perhaps film geeks and horror fanatics may know of these, but the mainstream does not. The definitive horrors that define the last decade are Saw, Hostel and the remakes. The one's pop culture will remember in retrospective to compare to Scream ('90s), Friday the 13th ('80s) and Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre ('70s) will be those films, I have to say.

True, I guess.

 

[Wheels]

No story?

Torture porn? Barely. The only time that there was a moment like that was from Saw IV.

I would agree. We've gone deeper in the mind of John/Jigsaw than we have most other slasher villains. We learn his motivation, we watch him pass on the legacy of Jigsaw, and watch him gradually die from cancer. It's also a continuing story, which you don't see alot of in this genre.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ But it was milked dry in only a few years. Michael Myers had alot of films, but they spanned out for over 30 years. I perfer slashers, anyway.

 

[Wheels]

^^ But it was milked dry in only a few years. Michael Myers had alot of films, but they spanned out for over 30 years. I perfer slashers, anyway.

Yes, that's my problem aswell, a movie every year was too much. Trying to find somone to go with me to see Scream 4.