Scream 4!!!!! - Part 4

[Punisher Rising]

I'm sorry 3 is just such a disaster and it's not Ehren's fault. I truly don't think it is. It was just a rushed production because the Wiensteins wanted that money and they wanted it now.

At least 2 has a comprehensible story. 3 doesn't even have that. But I will agree that at parts 2 can be a bit of a chore to watch. I feel like the scene with Sid being attacked on stage at her play could've been cut entirely as well as the ''I'm a fighter" monologue.

I agree. I think both 2 and 3 suffered from being rushed and having so many on-set rewrites.

I like Sid's "I'm a fighter" scene, so I would've kept that in, but there's quite a few other scenes I would've axed. Derek's singing scene is definite cutting room floor material for sure

 

[bullets]

I'd rank them (basically the same as everyone else )

Scream (redefined slasher genre, classic)
Scream 4 ( great follow up , brings the franchise back to it's roots but remains contemporary)
Scream 2 ( expands on what worked in the first film , one of the best horror sequels)
Scream 3 ( some awful dialogue and bewildering plot development , i think it's the worst of the series but also appreciate what they were going for. I like to revisit this because of Sidney and I thought the final showdown was good)

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Yeah. That's a good scene to cut. It's charming, but definitely something you could cut, she still would have to get the greek letters somehow though.

I don't think 2 was rushed at all as it was mostly planned by Kevin when he handed in the first one. I also don't think the script rewrites from the script leaking hurt it, actually I'd say it'd improved it considering the original script that's online is a bit balls when it comes to the ending. It just borders on ''Okay. You can stop now. You're trying too hard."

3 however just had a lot of factors going on that made it nearly impossible to churn out a good product. Studio interference, kicking the original writer to the curb, bringing in someone else last minute, the main character having a limited shooting schedule, just a lot hurt that film.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I think 2 didn't turn out so bad considering how rushed the shoot was, but it still could've been so much better if the filmmakers had ample enough time to prep for it rather than rush into it right away.

I agree that 3 suffered from a lot of those problems you mentioned. Something about Gale and Dewey's characterizations in that film felt off to me as well. But at least when Sidney was in the movie she was put to very good use. I always enjoy the climax at the end of 3 as well as Sidney being able to close off that part of her life.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Whoa, no love for Derek's singing scene? Damn, I thought that was charming and brought a nice light to the stuff that was going on with Sydney. It definitely cheered here up a bit. Plus it showed in retrospect, how good he truly was.

 

[The Joker]

Also worth noting is how Sid went around in Scream 3 wearing the necklace Derek had given her in that scene. I thought that was a nice touch. It showed she really did care about him.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

The only way I can understand someone loving Scream 4 is if they wanted Scream to be what a good version of Scary Movie would've been like...actually scratch that, I still can't understand because Scream 4 wasn't funny, it just wanted to be.
Other than a little bit during the opening, none of the excessively stupid "humor" even got a chuckle out of me, and I think Spongebob episodes could do a better job of keeping me on the edge of my seat if we're looking at the so called suspense/thriller aspect.

I still remember how awestruck I was with the awesomeness of the first two when I saw them in theaters, comparing that feeling to the feeling I had leaving this is the finest example of how far the mighy can fall that I've ever seen in cinema.

I really can't believe people like this thing so much, especially considering the reasons most dislike Scream 3.

I just don't understand how you think 4 was this bad. Yes the beginning was comedic, and a few scenes like Anthony anderson's death had a bit of sillyness, but I fail to see how this took itself any less seriously than scream 3.

 

[Marx]

I'd rank them:


Scream
Scream 4
Scream 2
Scream 3

This is my ranking as well.

 

[bullets]

Whoa, no love for Derek's singing scene? Damn, I thought that was charming and brought a nice light to the stuff that was going on with Sydney. It definitely cheered here up a bit. Plus it showed in retrospect, how good he truly was.

That was good scene, it was unexpected but works for me I guess.

 

[Sith Scotti]

I'd rank them (basically the same as everyone else )

Scream (redefined slasher genre, classic)
Scream 4 ( great follow up , brings the franchise back to it's roots but remains contemporary)
Scream 2 ( expands on what worked in the first film , one of the best horror sequels)
Scream 3 ( some awful dialogue and bewildering plot development , i think it's the worst of the series but also appreciate what they were going for. I like to revisit this because of Sidney and I thought the final showdown was good)

Same rankings as mine . Scream 4 is easily my favorite sequel

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Also worth noting is how Sid went around in Scream 3 wearing the necklace Derek had given her in that scene. I thought that was a nice touch. It showed she really did care about him.

This.

 

[DACrowe]

I agree. I think both 2 and 3 suffered from being rushed and having so many on-set rewrites.

I like Sid's "I'm a fighter" scene, so I would've kept that in, but there's quite a few other scenes I would've axed. Derek's singing scene is definite cutting room floor material for sure

I too liked the "I'm a fighter" monologue between her and David Warner. But I would have cut the scene off after she agrees to continue the play and skipped her actual rehearsal turning into a cheesy "Is she crazy?" moment and then her semi-breaking up with Derek....again. I also think the "crawl over the killer" scene in the car didn't need to be repeated a second time.

I don't know, it just didn't have the snappy pace of Scream 1 or Scream 4. But it did have a great reveal scene, Randy's scenes were great with several monologues and a terrific death scene, the opening was a great piece of commentary on many horror fans and the genre at large, the "sequels suck" discussion was good, Dewey got a great personal theme, the Cici scene was tense....

Scream 2 had a lot going for it. I just don't think it is as fun a movie as the first or fourth because it plods in the middle.

Whoa, no love for Derek's singing scene? Damn, I thought that was charming and brought a nice light to the stuff that was going on with Sydney. It definitely cheered here up a bit. Plus it showed in retrospect, how good he truly was.

Yeah, I like that scene too. Sid kept talking about how she wishes her life was a "Meg Ryan movie" or some romantic comedy. For one scene it got to be. I even like how killer Mickey seemed to be enjoying the love in that scene.

 

[DACrowe]

Anyway, since we're all getting nostalgic for Scream sequels I saw this video the other day:



It's all the happy-go-lucky end credits with the actors' moving pictures to the four movies.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Whoa, no love for Derek's singing scene? Damn, I thought that was charming and brought a nice light to the stuff that was going on with Sydney. It definitely cheered here up a bit. Plus it showed in retrospect, how good he truly was.

I just thought it was a cheesy and cringe-inducing scene that only further bogged the flow of the movie down.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I too liked the "I'm a fighter" monologue between her and David Warner. But I would have cut the scene off after she agrees to continue the play and skipped her actual rehearsal turning into a cheesy "Is she crazy?" moment and then her semi-breaking up with Derek....again. I also think the "crawl over the killer" scene in the car didn't need to be repeated a second time.

I don't know, it just didn't have the snappy pace of Scream 1 or Scream 4. But it did have a great reveal scene, Randy's scenes were great with several monologues and a terrific death scene, the opening was a great piece of commentary on many horror fans and the genre at large, the "sequels suck" discussion was good, Dewey got a great personal theme, the Cici scene was tense....

Scream 2 had a lot going for it. I just don't think it is as fun a movie as the first or fourth because it plods in the middle.



Yeah, I like that scene too. Sid kept talking about how she wishes her life was a "Meg Ryan movie" or some romantic comedy. For one scene it got to be. I even like how killer Mickey seemed to be enjoying the love in that scene.

Man, the crawling over the killer in the car scene was ****ing intense. Perhaps the most suspenseful scene in any of the four films. I also loved when the killer takes the keys out of the car in the first. That was very tense as well. Especially the shot where he slips under the frame.

I had so much fun with the second. It's still my second favorite. Love the characters, and seeing those credits videos just shows how the supporting characters are nowhere as interesting as the other 3. I wasn't constantly thinking who the killer could be.

I found it a bit weird that Mickey's last scene before he shows up at the end is that cafeteria scene.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I too liked the "I'm a fighter" monologue between her and David Warner. But I would have cut the scene off after she agrees to continue the play and skipped her actual rehearsal turning into a cheesy "Is she crazy?" moment and then her semi-breaking up with Derek....again. I also think the "crawl over the killer" scene in the car didn't need to be repeated a second time.

I don't know, it just didn't have the snappy pace of Scream 1 or Scream 4. But it did have a great reveal scene, Randy's scenes were great with several monologues and a terrific death scene, the opening was a great piece of commentary on many horror fans and the genre at large, the "sequels suck" discussion was good, Dewey got a great personal theme, the Cici scene was tense....

Scream 2 had a lot going for it. I just don't think it is as fun a movie as the first or fourth because it plods in the middle.

I agree. I think the plodding pace and overly long length hurt Scream 2 and I also think the movie isn't as energetic or entertaining as 1 and 4 are. I also HATE the scene where Sidney goes back to unmask Ghostface in the car, makes her look so stupid to do the classic Horror movie mistake and going back to check the killer. Her character in the first Scream was pretty much a counter argument for all of the dumb Horror movie victims and heroines who made stupid mistakes like that, and Scream 2 has her make that very mistake.

 

[The Joker]

I don't find Scream 4 as energetic as 1 and 2. The first two movies have an energy and a charisma that the latter two movies didn't quite capture, especially Scream 3. 4 came close though.

I don't condemn Sidney for running back to unmask Ghostface because she was sick to death of running from him. It was a mistake on her part, but it's nothing compared to the idiotic decision she made in Scream 1 of going to a party in the middle of nowhere after she'd been attacked and specifically targeted by a serial killer the night before. A killer who was still on the loose. She had no valid reason to put herself out in open danger like that. She at least had a good reason to go back to unmask Ghostface, it was just a foolish thing to do.

 

[Punisher Rising]

If she had to unmask Ghostface, she should've at least gotten Officer Richards' pistol, which was in plain view for the taking on the hood of the car. He probably had handcuffs on him as well, which she could've used to handcuff Ghostface to the wheel. At least that why she can shoot him during the unmasking attempt if he awoke and tried anything. The fact she didn't even bother grabbing the gun as soon as they were out of the car is so dumb to me, even in the first Scream when Stu and Randy were making it to the house when she was unsure if they were the killers, she did the smart thing by getting Dewey's gun from his belt right away and using it for protection.

 

[The Joker]

If she had to unmask Ghostface, she should've at least gotten Officer Richards' pistol, which was in plain view for the taking on the hood of the car. He probably had handcuffs on him as well, which she could've used to handcuff Ghostface to the wheel. At least that why she can shoot him during the unmasking attempt if he awoke and tried anything. The fact she didn't even bother grabbing the gun as soon as they were out of the car is so dumb to me, even in the first Scream when Stu and Randy were making it to the house when she was unsure if they were the killers, she did the smart thing by getting Dewey's gun from his belt right away and using it for protection.

The gun was in clear view to us because we got a close up shot of it. Hallie and Sid were injured and disoriented from the crash, and bricking it that Ghostface was going to wake up while they tried to escape.

I'm not going to condemn Sid for failing to notice a little gun on the hood of the car through a cracked windshield with a corpse lying on it when she was focused entirely on GF while she was escaping. It's the same as in Scream 1 when she didn't even notice the blatant flaw there wasn't one single stab wound or rip in his white shirt from a knife attack on Billy despite his shirt being soaked with blood:

I'm not even going to comment on your handcuffs suggestion lol

 

[kickass]

She was terrified enough as it was at that very moment that I don't think she - or anyone - would have caught that.

 

[Punisher Rising]

The gun was in clear view to us because we got a close up shot of it. Hallie and Sid were injured and disoriented from the crash, and bricking it that Ghostface was going to wake up while they tried to escape.

I'm not going to condemn Sid for failing to notice a little gun on the hood of the car through a cracked windshield with a corpse lying on it when she was focused entirely on GF while she was escaping. It's the same as in Scream 1 when she didn't even notice the blatant flaw there wasn't one single stab wound or rip in his white shirt from a knife attack on Billy despite his shirt being soaked with blood:

I'm not even going to comment on your handcuffs suggestion lol

The gun was right near the windshield in plain sight, free for the taking. Sidney could've easy easily snagged it. As for the stabs on Billy, I don't think anyone would've bothered to examine Billy's stab wounds when a knife-wielding murderer is in the same room as you and has his sights set on you next.

 

[bullets]

If she had to unmask Ghostface, she should've at least gotten Officer Richards' pistol, which was in plain view for the taking on the hood of the car. He probably had handcuffs on him as well, which she could've used to handcuff Ghostface to the wheel. At least that why she can shoot him during the unmasking attempt if he awoke and tried anything. The fact she didn't even bother grabbing the gun as soon as they were out of the car is so dumb to me, even in the first Scream when Stu and Randy were making it to the house when she was unsure if they were the killers, she did the smart thing by getting Dewey's gun from his belt right away and using it for protection.

Well if we're going to point that out Sidney does one of the dumbest things ever in Scream 4. She runs into Olivia's house while a killer is inside but doesn't grab any type of weapon.

At least Ghostface was knocked out when she went to unmask him but she might not of noticed the gun was still on the hood.

 

[Punisher Rising]

The gun is in clear view though, kind of hard to miss. Granted it's understandable she'd be most concerned about getting out of the car first, but it's not like the gun was invisible, she could've easily grabbed it as soon as she and Hallie got out.

 

[bullets]

Sometimes people don't notice things in plain sight. I once watched my girlfriend scrambling around for her car keys while they were in front of her on the counter , plain as day.


There's just certain parts of these films where you have to suspend disbelief, imo. I think her not seeing the gun can be reasoned though.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I suppose that's plausible enough, but it's still so stupid of her to go back and unmask Ghostface when she has such a good chance to escape and get help.