Scream 5 in Development

[Spider-Aziz]

Add me to the corner of those who love the Mrs. Loomis twist instead of repeating the first movie's twist.

 

[The Joker]

Nah, it lines up and you can tell which killer is behind the mask. I've studied all of the films for things like this. LOL

Mickey (the other killer) does almost all of the actual killing and heavy lifting in Scream 2. Mrs Loomis was admittedly more of a mastermind/planner/benefactor. But there are still a few times when she is behind the mask herself. Craven was smartly deceptive about it, in terms of Ghostface's size/strength. Lots of attention to detail in the first two.

After Cici's death, Mrs Loomis is the Ghostface who recklessly attacks Sidney at the sorority house, clumsily tripping over furniture. Ghostface only winds up slashing Sidney's boyfriend's arm before escaping. This helps to cast suspicion on Derek, as people wonder why Ghostface let him live. In reality, Mrs Loomis couldn't have taken him on her own.

Mrs Loomis also admits she is the one who killed Randy in the van. We only see Ghostface grabbing and viciously stabbing Randy in the van. Otherwise, we only see Ghostface and his boots as he (she in this case) exits the van. Randy was weak. She had the advantage in this case and was able to take him down.

Mrs Loomis is also behind the mask when Gale is chased and attacked on the campus at the end, as Mickey was off attacking Sidney and Halle elsewhere. In all three sequences I mentioned, you can actually hear Laurie Metcalf's screams and grunts behind the mask (ADR) if you're paying attention. You can also track her movements as her fake reporter persona to figure out where she was going or coming from. Mrs Loomis was in good shape and not that old.

Scream 4 is where it became unrealistic and hard to tell. The Ghostface stuntman in that movie was way taller than BOTH killers, and the logistics of who did which killing and how they did it doesn't always make sense.

Wow when you look at it you're actually right. There is a kind of unique body language with those Ghostfaces. That is some attention to detail.

She was absolutely nuts. Definitely a nod to other crazy "slasher moms" like Mrs Bates and Mrs Voorhees.

The motivations for all the killers have been fairly weak. That's how it is in real life and kind of the point. These are crazy, unhinged people who kill because they want to or like to, usually for poorly justified reasons that are in their heads.

Exactly. Every one of them had laughable motivations for being serial killers.

Billy - My mom left me
Stu - Did he even have a motive? He just seemed looney tunes who got off on killing.
Mrs. Loomis - You murdered my serial killer son
Mickey - I want a showboating trial where I can get off by blaming the movies
Roman - I was rejected by the mom I never knew
Jill - I wanna be famous and have fans
Charlie - I wanna be famous too and also get the girl

Yes all wonderful reasons to take innocent lives. These people were all sickos. Every one of them.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Stu said peer pressure. To describe Randy he's a lapdog. I think he was just very dumb and impressionable.

I wouldn't look too hard into the nuances of the stuntman playing into the exact killer. They're stuntmen hired to just throw off the identity so it appears more neutral. It's just more movie logic.

And has it ever been confirmed Metcalf ADR'd her grunts when Gale hits Ghostface? People say the same about Lillard but I never bought it.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I think the first is just the only one that’s actually scary enough to happen in real life. Two teenage boys you could imagine going on murder spree in their high school because they’re looney tunes. I’m not really ever afraid that some mom is going to murder people on a college campus lol

 

[shauner111]

Nah, it lines up and you can tell which killer is behind the mask. I've studied all of the films for things like this. LOL

Mickey (the other killer) does almost all of the actual killing and heavy lifting in Scream 2. Mrs Loomis was admittedly more of a mastermind/planner/benefactor. But there are still a few times when she is behind the mask herself. Craven was smartly deceptive about it, in terms of Ghostface's size/strength. Lots of attention to detail in the first two.

After Cici's death, Mrs Loomis is the Ghostface who recklessly attacks Sidney at the sorority house, clumsily tripping over furniture. Ghostface only winds up slashing Sidney's boyfriend's arm before escaping. This helps to cast suspicion on Derek, as people wonder why Ghostface let him live. In reality, Mrs Loomis couldn't have taken him on her own.

Mrs Loomis also admits she is the one who killed Randy in the van. We only see Ghostface grabbing and viciously stabbing Randy in the van. Otherwise, we only see Ghostface and his boots as he (she in this case) exits the van. Randy was weak. She had the advantage in this case and was able to take him down.

Mrs Loomis is also behind the mask when Gale is chased and attacked on the campus at the end, as Mickey was off attacking Sidney and Halle elsewhere. In all three sequences I mentioned, you can actually hear Laurie Metcalf's screams and grunts behind the mask (ADR) if you're paying attention. You can also track her movements as her fake reporter persona to figure out where she was going or coming from. Mrs Loomis was in good shape and not that old.

Scream 4 is where it became unrealistic and hard to tell. The Ghostface stuntman in that movie was way taller than BOTH killers, and the logistics of who did which killing and how they did it doesn't always make sense.

Cool thanks! I’ll give it another go and be on the lookout. Good work lol

 

[shauner111]

Nope. Randy is taller and heavier than she is and that's enough for him to defend himself.

Either way, I don't care about details like that. Ms Loomis is just bad choice to be the killer, because both she and Mickey barely appears in the film and Laurie Metcalf's acting wasn't very interesting.

I know they had to change because of the leak, but Derek would be a much better as the killer.

I think that’s my problem too. I don’t remember the two killers being in the movie for more than a few scenes each. Very short scenes I might add. There was no development or time spent with them like Stu and Billy. So it just felt lacklustre to me. Like “these people? Really?”. I’m also not a big fan of Laurie in general.

 

[The Shape]

Wow when you look at it you're actually right. There is a kind of unique body language with those Ghostfaces. That is some attention to detail.
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Yep. The first film has as much, if not more attention to detail and it's easy to figure out which people Billy and Stu killed individually or together, who was behind that mask in a specific scene, who was on the phone, etc.

You can track where they are coming and going in different scenes and their different mannerisms as Ghostface. They each held the knife differently and attacked differently. Stu was more clumsy and you can even hear him saying "Easy, easy!" while chasing Sidney up the stairs of her house.

I love all those little details and have faith that Radio Silence will do the same on this film.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I have a question:

In Scream, was it always part of Billy's plan for him to get arrested in order to mess with Sidney or was it not part of the plan?

 

[The Shape]

I have a question:

In Scream, was it always part of Billy's plan for him to get arrested in order to mess with Sidney or was it not part of the plan?

Hard to say if was always his plan, but I think so and he wasn't worried about it. It would help him as it did. The fact that he was able to have Stu call Sidney while he was in jail effectively cleared him of any supscion in the eyes because "the killer was still out there". Also proved that his cell phone didn't make any of the calls. Billy and Stu had cloned Sidney's dad's cell phone to make him a primary suspect, which was part of their plan.

It's one of two fake outs Billy pulled, including his fake death.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm of two minds. On one, him not being part of his plan just creates conflict for him as a character, or else the movie would have been over. Having EVERYTHING going correctly for him is a bit of a stretch. But he is manipulating her to let her guard down, but at the same time, why not just kill her sooner? I feel like he would need to go through all of that because they screwed up and Billy has to start over and gain her trust back to kill her, because he already had it when the movie began.

I feel like they were going to kill her in her house, but they failed. They already had abducted her father and could have framed him for it and it could have been over right then and there. I don't know if Billy's phone falling out of his pocket was intentional, otherwise he might have killed her right there.

 

[antsman41]

I think the first is just the only one that’s actually scary enough to happen in real life. Two teenage boys you could imagine going on murder spree in their high school because they’re looney tunes. I’m not really ever afraid that some mom is going to murder people on a college campus lol

…well white boys have been doing this almost every other month since April 20th, 1999.

 

[StarLord]

Scream 2

 

[The Shape]

I'm of two minds. On one, him not being part of his plan just creates conflict for him as a character, or else the movie would have been over. Having EVERYTHING going correctly for him is a bit of a stretch. But he is manipulating her to let her guard down, but at the same time, why not just kill her sooner? I feel like he would need to go through all of that because they screwed up and Billy has to start over and gain her trust back to kill her, because he already had it when the movie began.

I feel like they were going to kill her in her house, but they failed. They already had abducted her father and could have framed him for it and it could have been over right then and there. I don't know if Billy's phone falling out of his pocket was intentional, otherwise he might have killed her right there.

Much of what Billy and Stu did was meticulously planned well in advance. Many things definitely want as planned and i'm sure they improvised some things. If their plan was simply to kill Sidney, they could have done so from the start or even a year earlier. It's important to remember a few things.

First things first, they were both deranged psychopaths. This was all unnecessary but obviously thrilling for them.

They killed Maureen Prescott (Sidney's mom) a year earlier. They clearly got a taste for killing and that one kill wasn't enough for them, so they spent the next year planning their next killing spree which would serve to torture and kill Sidney. They could have killed Sidney right after Maureen if they wanted to, but they didn't.

They were (or at least Billy was) obsessed with horror movies, so their plan included elaborate flair and intimidation tactics based on horror movie tropes. Taunting phone calls from inside the house (When a Stranger Calls), ghostly slasher mask/costume, picking off victims one by one and those closest to Sidney in order to terrify her as much as possible, etc. They used the fact that there were two of them to manipulate others and make it harder to catch the "killer".

They started with killing Casey Becker, a revenge kill for Stu before moving on to others. She also sat next to Sidney in class, first thing clearly also meant to scare her.

Maybe they really meant to kill Sidney at her house and then had to improvise afterwards, but it's hard to tell. Billy showing up at the window gave Stu a chance to escape. I personally believe they always wanted to have their "finale bloodbath" at Stu's house. They were basically making their own horror movie. Some kills had purpose in their plan, like killing the prinicapal to string his body up and get the other high schoolers to leave the party. Most other kills were probably just because they wanted to.

It seems most of the fun for Billy was watching Sidney suffer during all this, the ironic satisfaction of getting her to lose her virginity to him, etc.

 

[Lily Adler]

Did Skeet Ulrich ever get a steady career after Scream. I remember people seeing him as discount Johnny Depp.

 

[DarkKnight88]

He had a small role in As Good As It Gets the following year, and then did this ultimate classic with an Oscar winner…

I mean, how can anything go but downhill after a tag line like that.

 

[StarLord]

 

[BatLobster]

Much of what Billy and Stu did was meticulously planned well in advance. Many things definitely want as planned and i'm sure they improvised some things. If their plan was simply to kill Sidney, they could have done so from the start or even a year earlier. It's important to remember a few things.

First things first, they were both deranged psychopaths. This was all unnecessary but obviously thrilling for them.

They killed Maureen Prescott (Sidney's mom) a year earlier. They clearly got a taste for killing and that one kill wasn't enough for them, so they spent the next year planning their next killing spree which would serve to torture and kill Sidney. They could have killed Sidney right after Maureen if they wanted to, but they didn't.

They were (or at least Billy was) obsessed with horror movies, so their plan included elaborate flair and intimidation tactics based on horror movie tropes. Taunting phone calls from inside the house (When a Stranger Calls), ghostly slasher mask/costume, picking off victims one by one and those closest to Sidney in order to terrify her as much as possible, etc. They used the fact that there were two of them to manipulate others and make it harder to catch the "killer".

They started with killing Casey Becker, a revenge kill for Stu before moving on to others. She also sat next to Sidney in class, first thing clearly also meant to scare her.

Maybe they really meant to kill Sidney at her house and then had to improvise afterwards, but it's hard to tell. Billy showing up at the window gave Stu a chance to escape. I personally believe they always wanted to have their "finale bloodbath" at Stu's house. They were basically making their own horror movie. Some kills had purpose in their plan, like killing the prinicapal to string his body up and get the other high schoolers to leave the party. Most other kills were probably just because they wanted to.

It seems most of the fun for Billy was watching Sidney suffer during all this, the ironic satisfaction of getting her to lose her virginity to him, etc.

Killer analysis dude. (sorry)

No but really, I love this. The fact that so much of this is unsaid in the movie, yet you can so easily piece that story together and imagine Billy and Stu's twisted motivations for everything is part of what makes it so chilling.

And unfortunately as the events of Columbine proved a few years later, the idea of two sick friends plotting a massacre of their peers (down to one being the mastermind and one being the lapdog) is all too plausible.

 

[Drizzle]

Did Skeet Ulrich ever get a steady career after Scream. I remember people seeing him as discount Johnny Depp.

He had a small role in As Good As It Gets the following year, and then did this ultimate classic with an Oscar winner…

I mean, how can anything go but downhill after a tag line like that.

How does one graduate high school and continue to go around insisting that everyone calls them "Skeet"?

 

[Lily Adler]

How does one graduate high school and continue to go around insisting that everyone calls them "Skeet"?

Honestly forgot that's not his real name, and his real name is Bryan Trout. Hell Bryan Ulrich sounds more professional.

 

[Drizzle]

Honestly forgot that's not his real name, and his real name is Bryan Trout. Hell Bryan Ulrich sounds more professional.

If he had just gone with that, perhaps he'd have won an Oscar by now and Iron Man could have been played by Bryan Ulrich in the MCU.

 

[Lily Adler]

If he had just gone with that, perhaps he'd have won an Oscar by now and Iron Man could have been played by Bryan Ulrich in the MCU.

He had Jericho and Law & Order until he torpedoed it by leaving (there's still no clear answer if he or Wolf were the cause for his departure).

 

[Gold Samurai]

I can't believe Neve Campbell looks so great! She looks like she's only aged 10 years since the 1996 movie.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Much of what Billy and Stu did was meticulously planned well in advance. Many things definitely want as planned and i'm sure they improvised some things. If their plan was simply to kill Sidney, they could have done so from the start or even a year earlier. It's important to remember a few things.

First things first, they were both deranged psychopaths. This was all unnecessary but obviously thrilling for them.

They killed Maureen Prescott (Sidney's mom) a year earlier. They clearly got a taste for killing and that one kill wasn't enough for them, so they spent the next year planning their next killing spree which would serve to torture and kill Sidney. They could have killed Sidney right after Maureen if they wanted to, but they didn't.

They were (or at least Billy was) obsessed with horror movies, so their plan included elaborate flair and intimidation tactics based on horror movie tropes. Taunting phone calls from inside the house (When a Stranger Calls), ghostly slasher mask/costume, picking off victims one by one and those closest to Sidney in order to terrify her as much as possible, etc. They used the fact that there were two of them to manipulate others and make it harder to catch the "killer".

They started with killing Casey Becker, a revenge kill for Stu before moving on to others. She also sat next to Sidney in class, first thing clearly also meant to scare her.

Maybe they really meant to kill Sidney at her house and then had to improvise afterwards, but it's hard to tell. Billy showing up at the window gave Stu a chance to escape. I personally believe they always wanted to have their "finale bloodbath" at Stu's house. They were basically making their own horror movie. Some kills had purpose in their plan, like killing the prinicapal to string his body up and get the other high schoolers to leave the party. Most other kills were probably just because they wanted to.

It seems most of the fun for Billy was watching Sidney suffer during all this, the ironic satisfaction of getting her to lose her virginity to him, etc.

I suppose you're right about that. If they wanted to kill her, why wait?

 

[antsman41]

To be theatrical, obviously.

 

[The Shape]

I suppose you're right about that. If they wanted to kill her, why wait?

It wouldn't have been as fun for them. They were emulating killers like Michael Myers and saving her for last.