Also loved finally getting some Scream 3 references. Gale talking about her bangs on TV and Dewey going back because he needed to shoot Ghostface in the head (learning from his experience with Roman).
I really can’t wait to see this again. Scream movies are super fun on rewatch.
Agree! I love that this movie fully embraced all the sequels and didn’t try to ignore any of the history of this series. The references to scream 3 were actually the most enjoyable to me and have strengthened that movie even more in my eyes
the reference to jennifer jolie, mark kincaid, martha meeks, sidney mentioning she tried running and hiding, dewey living in a trailer again, all of it made me love scream 3 even more
Also loved Dewey’s scream 2 theme being used, sidney’s theme coming in as she entered stu’s house and the return of red right hand! This movie literally gave me everything I wanted as a scream fan haha.
I will discuss it more in another post but Amber truly might be in my top 3 killers of the whole franchise. I absolutely loved her and her insane flipping back and forth between psychotic murderer and helpless victim. It was just so great
I really enjoyed myself watching it, didn't have many dragging points.
I did think it was easy to predict
I knew Amber was one since the opening scene was just a video, she was very over protective and *****y in the crew intros, and Ghostface killing scenes seemed like a struggle as they could not over power the victims. Often times they used two arms to get the knife in.
Richie was easy since he was suppose to be the curveball nice guy, but knowing Quaid from The Boys I felt he was the biggest name of the newbies and would have the role. He was also alone a lot of the time. Sam left him alone with the sister and then the interaction with Amber after. The next hospital scene Amber could have easily killed him but tried to make Sam choose.
Stu was possibly going to show up in the third act prevented me from getting too invested in trying to guess who it was. I really think they planted a few seeds to make you wonder if that was on the table. In retrospect the killers were fairly obvious, but I do think the film did a nice job playing the game and giving you enough misdirects to wonder.
And to be fair, Billy and Stu are extremely obvious in the first film. It was just that we weren't so used to the formula then. I feel like the reveal being fairly straight forward was a bit of an homage to that 'back to basics' idea. I even think
Richie's line "I know, it sucks that it's me." was kind of a knowing wink to people who figured it out early.
Agree! I love that this movie fully embraced all the sequels and didn’t try to ignore any of the history of this series. The references to scream 3 were actually the most enjoyable to me and have strengthened that movie even more in my eyes
the reference to jennifer jolie, mark kincaid, martha meeks, sidney mentioning she tried running and hiding, dewey living in a trailer again, all of it made me love scream 3 even more
Also loved Dewey’s scream 2 theme being used, sidney’s theme coming in as she entered stu’s house and the return of red right hand! This movie literally gave me everything I wanted as a scream fan haha.
I will discuss it more in another post but Amber truly might be in my top 3 killers of the whole franchise. I absolutely loved her and her insane flipping back and forth between psychotic murderer and helpless victim. It was just so great
The movie was... ok. It's on the level of Scream 3 for different reasons. It lacked a real core ethos like the last 4 films and much of the commentary was more lip service and surface level. I'll get into more later but it's a 6 or 7/10. I liked it but it's between this and the third as my least favorite. One's strengths is the others weakness.
Ghostface's motivation was superficial. At least Roman had some ethos. This movie kind of shows just how hard it is to write a good murder mystery. This movie is not a particularly well constructed one. And it's a testament to just how good Williamson was at writing them.
Williamson knew how to comment on movies but knowing the storytelling fundamentals to have that rest on.
I liked Amber though. Not the character but the performance. And she is cute as hell.
There's a big snowstorm hitting parts of the east coast this Saturday and Sunday. Around 12" in my area. That might hurt weekend turnout in NC, SC, and Georgia. Of course, the Carolinas are completely schizo with their weather so the forecast could end up being completely wrong.
Just went to my second viewing. I love doing that because you notice so many little things.
Like in the hospital sequence when Dewey turned to go back and closed the lift doors. Richie looked super concerned and was staring at the killer worried Dewey was going to find out who it was. I always like to watch the actors playing the killers reactions to things.
They did take 10 years from the last one. Scream does not seem to rush out the next movie, they had 10 years from 3 to 4 too. They made the first 2 back to back years because it was a huge hit and sequels should be fairly close. The fact they take so long is probably why Scream is my favorite scary movie franchise. They don't need another 10 year gap though.
Stu was alive and orchestrating the new killings from prison. The entire supporting cast were a cult of killers. Felt like a natural escalation after Scream 2.
It's surprising this is doing well, I was afraid this would flop like the fourth, but glad to see people still care about the franchise.
I'm happy that people here enjoyed the movie. I wish I liked it as much as some. I'm just surprised this is like the equivalent of Scream 3 in a different way. If they do another one, you need a different writer. Or get Williamson back! Pay him whatever he wants!
The movie was... ok. It's on the level of Scream 3 for different reasons. It lacked a real core ethos like the last 4 films and much of the commentary was more lip service and surface level. I'll get into more later but it's a 6 or 7/10. I liked it but it's between this and the third as my least favorite. One's strengths is the others weakness.
Ghostface's motivation was superficial. At least Roman had some ethos. This movie kind of shows just how hard it is to write a good murder mystery. This movie is not a particularly well constructed one. And it's a testament to just how good Williamson was at writing them.
Williamson knew how to comment on movies but knowing the storytelling fundamentals to have that rest on.
I liked Amber though. Not the character but the performance. And she is cute as hell.
To be fair though...if you break down the primary Ghostface motivations throughout the series, it all boils down to some version of resentment or revenge towards Sidney and/or the sins of her mother. Which I enjoy, but it had definitely run its course. Jill's angle of wanting to be famous feels just as timely and relevant as what this movie was commenting on IMO. They could've gone further with the commentary, but I think it's an interesting subversion of what we've come to expect for this film to have the motivation be what it is. Especially as this is the first film to not have the killings center on Sidney.
I think the one of the most clever things this film does is
drop the bomb that Sam is Billy's daughter straight away. While we don't get that big third act lore dump we've grown accustomed to,
I feel like by the end we're left with something that feels like a new angle on the series.
I also feel like one big thing this film succeeds in is capturing the energy of our current moment just in the way it's directed, the music choices, etc., in a way that I don't think the 4th film quite managed to at the time. That's no slight against Wes, but I think the injection of younger energy into this film really works in its favor.
I'd be curious to know why you'd say Jill's motivation was any less "surface level" than what we're given here? Other than her resentment of Sidney, to me it's pretty much on the same level to me in terms of the characters' making a huge leap from initial seed of an idea to *killing spree*. One of the things I enjoy about 3 was how Sidney calls out Roman's BS and just says the only reason he kills is because he chooses to and there is no one else to blame. I need to see it again,
but I feel like Richie in particular may be the first killer who kind of owns what he is and isn't trying to blame the victim for his crimes.
I do think there's a tradeoff there in terms of not getting that satisfying whodunnit twist/lore reveal, but at the same time doing something that feels like a step in a new direction. At the end of the day every single Ghostface killer is psychopath with an extremely warped view of reality. That said, it's not something I'd want for every film if the franchise is to continue. I'd love the next one to step up and be a great whodunnit that's harder to figure out and juicy 3rd act reveals. But I can appreciate what they went for here. I think it's a situation where this film needed to exist to move forward. You needed a new creative team to step in, pay homage to Wes and kind of 'earn' the franchise and prove that this can work without Wes. For my money, they managed to pull that off which is no small feat.
Stu was alive and orchestrating the new killings from prison. The entire supporting cast were a cult of killers. Felt like a natural escalation after Scream 2.
I think they're going to play the Stu card at some point. By the series' own rules, he was never shot in the head, so....Factor in Williamson's initial Scream 3 idea and the fact that Lillard wants to come back. I think it'll happen eventually.
To be fair though...if you break down the primary Ghostface motivations throughout the series, it all boils down to some version of resentment or revenge towards Sidney and/or the sins of her mother. Which I enjoy, but it had definitely run its course. Jill's angle of wanting to be famous feels just as timely and relevant as what this movie was commenting on IMO. They could've gone further with the commentary, but I think it's an interesting subversion of what we've come to expect for this film to have the motivation be what it is. Especially as this is the first film to not have the killings center on Sidney.
I think the one of the most clever things this film does is
drop the bomb that Sam is Billy's daughter straight away. While we don't get that big third act lore dump we've grown accustomed to,
I feel like by the end we're left with something that feels like a new angle on the series.
I also feel like one big thing this film succeeds in is capturing the energy of our current moment just in the way it's directed, the music choices, etc., in a way that I don't think the 4th film quite managed to at the time. That's no slight against Wes, but I think the injection of younger energy into this film really works in its favor.
I'd be curious to know why you'd say Jill's motivation was any less "surface level" than what we're given here? Other than her resentment of Sidney, to me it's pretty much on the same level to me in terms of the characters' making a huge leap from initial seed of an idea to *killing spree*. One of the things I enjoy about 3 was how Sidney calls out Roman's BS and just says the only reason he kills is because he chooses to and there is no one else to blame. I need to see it again,
but I feel like Richie in particular may be the first killer who kind of owns what he is and isn't trying to blame the victim for his crimes.
I do think there's a tradeoff there in terms of not getting that satisfying whodunnit twist/lore reveal, but at the same time doing something that feels like a step in a new direction. At the end of the day every single Ghostface killer is psychopath with an extremely warped view of reality. That said, it's not something I'd want for every film if the franchise is to continue. I'd love the next one to step up and be a great whodunnit that's harder to figure out and juicy 3rd act reveals. But I can appreciate what they went for here. I think it's a situation where this film needed to exist to move forward. You needed a new creative team to step in, pay homage to Wes and kind of 'earn' the franchise and prove that this can work without Wes. For my money, they managed to pull that off which is no small feat.
If we're being honest, the primary motivations of ALL of the Ghosface killers are paper thin (including Billy Loomis). As I've said before (and as Sidney says), they all kill people because they want to, like to, and choose to do so. They are each ****ing nuts and completely deranged.
Billy Loomis, for example, killed Maureen Prescott because she was sleeping with his father and supposedly broke up their marriage. But why does he then plan a killing spree the following year and target Sidney, who had nothing to do with any of that? Because he's crazy and was heavily inspired by horror movies he loved. Why did Stu agree to help him? "Peer pressure" is the only answer he gives, but the real answer is that he's also insane and had fun doing this with Billy.
The motivation of the killers in this film is actually the closest to Billy and Stu, but without the Maureen/Sidney element. They're obsessed with horror movies and wanted to "make their own movie" to provide source material for the next film in their favorite franchise. They are toxic, obsessive, psychopathic fans of the Stab movies. The motivation they provide is their own twisted reasoning for why they chose to kill people.
If we're being honest, the primary motivations of ALL of the Ghosface killers are paper thin (including Billy Loomis). As I've said before (and as Sidney says), they all kill people because they want to, like to, and choose to do so. They are each ****ing nuts and completely deranged.
Billy Loomis, for example, killed Maureen Prescott because she was sleeping with his father and supposedly broke up their marriage. But why does he then plan a killing spree the following year and target Sidney, who had nothing to do with any of that? Because he's crazy and was heavily inspired by horror movies he loved. Why did Stu agree to help him? "Peer pressure" is the only answer he gives, but the real answer is that he's also insane and had fun doing this with Billy.
The motivation of the killers in this film is actually the closest to Billy and Stu, but without the Maureen/Sidney element. They're obsessed with horror movies and wanted to "make their own movie" to provide source material for the next film in their favorite franchise. They are toxic, obsessive, psychopathic fans of the Stab movies. The motivation they provide is their own twisted reasoning for why they chose to kill people.
Completely agree. This felt like it was bringing the whole franchise full circle.
It all starts with a couple of deranged movie fans who took their love of scary movies too far. This is taking that original motivation and updating it to our times and very specifically the state of modern fandom. I think it's very clever. And it's different than Charlie in Scream 4. He loved all the Stab movies, even the bad ones. This is the first time we've gotten into how protective fans can be of their favorite franchises and the dark places that goes. It felt right for this franchise to go there.
If we're being honest, the primary motivations of ALL of the Ghosface killers are paper thin (including Billy Loomis). As I've said before (and as Sidney says), they all kill people because they want to, like to, and choose to do so. They are each ****ing nuts and completely deranged.
Billy Loomis, for example, killed Maureen Prescott because she was sleeping with his father and supposedly broke up their marriage. But why does he then plan a killing spree the following year and target Sidney, who had nothing to do with any of that? Because he's crazy and was heavily inspired by horror movies he loved. Why did Stu agree to help him? "Peer pressure" is the only answer he gives, but the real answer is that he's also insane and had fun doing this with Billy.
The motivation of the killers in this film is actually the closest to Billy and Stu, but without the Maureen/Sidney element. They're obsessed with horror movies and wanted to "make their own movie" to provide source material for the next film in their favorite franchise. They are toxic, obsessive, psychopathic fans of the Stab movies. The motivation they provide is their own twisted reasoning for why they chose to kill people.
Completely agree. This felt like it was bringing the whole franchise full circle.
It all starts with a couple of deranged movie fans who took their love of scary movies too far. This is taking that original motivation and updating it to our times and very specifically the state of modern fandom. I think it's very clever. And it's different than Charlie in Scream 4. He loved all the Stab movies, even the bad ones. This is the first time we've gotten into how protective fans can be of their favorite franchises and the dark places that goes. It felt right for this franchise to go there.
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