Script Rundown- Bigtime Spoilers

[Cracker Jack]

They just can't get the Hulk origin right. Why can't they for once give the fans of the CB what they want.

I feel your pain brother

 

[Norm3]

The Hulk CB universe plays off the whole Gamma Bomb senario. Thats why it so important they get that right, not copy other hero's origins!

 

[Memphis Slim]

where is Captain America mentioned?
I think that "super serum" thing is just another way to talk about research on regeneration and strenght... like in the first one, where Atheon wants Bruce Banner's blood to create a super soldier.
Same thing in "The Death of The Incredible Hulk"...

An obvious nod to the Ultimate universe.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Best post in the entire thread.

Thanks

i would have liked Abomb to be around 12' myself but him being bigger is only gonna make Hulk look better when he kicks his big green ass.

That is one thing i liked.

The Hulk CB universe plays off the whole Gamma Bomb senario. Thats why it so important they get that right, not copy other hero's origins!

Agreed, a gamma explosion NEEDS to be there.

 

[Norm3]

The heck with that Ultimate Universe. I want the Hulk with 40 years of history!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If it isn't that hard, then why are there so few? Not trying to argue, but you're picking arguably the 3 best movies out of each of their respective franchises. If there was a guaranteed formula, don't you think we'd have a few more of these movies? No, I think it's harder than it looks, and I think it's only the result of the first Hulk's tumbling that Norton & Co. are as serious as a heart attack about getting THIS Hulk right.

Well those 3 are simply the best of the best IMO.

Other examples of getting it right are there, Blade 1 and 2, Hellboy, Spiderman, X-Men, V For Vendetta, Sin City and especially Superman Returns got it VERY right IMO, just not as right as those 3.

 

[Norm3]

I haven't read all the spoilers but am i hearing that the Abombination is going to be bigger than the Hulk? I hope not. They need to save that for other villians.

 

[Cracker Jack]

The heck with that Ultimate Universe. I want the Hulk with 40 years of history!

Agreed, a gamma explosion NEEDS to be there.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh music to my ears

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh music to my ears

Ha ha, its a strange feeling agreeing with you.......i dont like itt: .

 

[Cracker Jack]

Ha ha, its a strange feeling agreeing with you.......i dont like itt: .

Funny, I thought the same thing yesterday. The world is going to explode t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Funny, I thought the same thing yesterday. The world is going to explode t:

Ha ha, FLEE FOR YOU LIVES! t:

 

[GNR]

I for one,am glad they are breaking away from the typical formula all the Marvel movies up to this point have been using to death.

Incident -->Discovery of powers -->adjusting to new life and personal life-->emergence of villain-->etc.

Thank God for Norton,it's about time somebody actually tried to make a good movie before making sure everything lines up with the comics.

And also,all the rumors about the Ultimate Hulk influences make me giddy in the pants.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I for one,am glad they are breaking away from the typical formula all the Marvel movies up to this point have been using to death.

Incident -->Discovery of powers -->adjusting to new life and personal life-->emergence of villain-->etc.

Thank God for Norton,it's about time somebody actually tried to make a good movie before making sure everything lines up with the comics.

And also,all the rumors about the Ultimate Hulk influences make me giddy in the pants.

But the villain doesnt emerge until THE END of the movie, and if a super-soldier syrum is how he becomes Hulk, well, sorry but thats just lame IMO.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

It is closer to the comic compared to the 1st one.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Hmmmmm not to be a Richard Cranium but this kinda blows the whole not doing the bomb to be PC thng right out of the water. I have nothing against the suicide attempt I think it should go like this;

We follow the shadowy figure of a MAN, as he walks further and further onto the snowy iciness. He drops to the frozen ground, "I hate you Hulk! I Hate You!" the MAN pulls off his garb, crying, in pain and pulling a gun from his waistband. "You've taken my life. You've ruined my life. I hate you." he puts the gun to his head and tries to kill himself. The gun goes off. Pifft (the sound of spitting) THE HULK appears, spitting out a bullet, "Hulk hates Banner too."

[SHUDDERS]

That's good... but maybe a little too much dialogue to start off the movie? Your lines are great, but I kinda like the eery silence of the draft version. It allows for all the externals to speak to us... the wind, the cold, the green hand. If they allowed for some time between each of your lines, I think it could result in the same mood.

Speaking of dialogue, does anyone have any idea what the IESB reviewer means when he says, "I’m also happy to report that purple stretchy pants have a non-speaking cameo in this film"?

Well those 3 are simply the best of the best IMO.

Other examples of getting it right are there, Blade 1 and 2, Hellboy, Spiderman, X-Men, V For Vendetta, Sin City and especially Superman Returns got it VERY right IMO, just not as right as those 3.

Well, that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Not just ordinary movies that may have done well, but movies that truly excelled and pleased everyone. Can you honestly say the rest of those movies pleased everyone? Personally, I would put Hulk on the level of all of those movies, with the exception of Spider-Man, but my hope is TIH will be a Spidey 2, Batman Begins or X2.

Superman Returns... I just don't see what people like you saw in that movie. Same old villain, same old weakness, same old everything... the story's been told like, what, a million times? I just don't get it. Loved the scene where he saves the plane, though... that was kind of neat. Oh, and I liked Brandon Routh. The rest was utterly boring IMO and the impregnated Lane... well, I didn't like that idea.

 

[FrostBite]

Well, that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Not just ordinary movies that may have done well, but movies that truly excelled and pleased everyone. Can you honestly say the rest of those movies pleased everyone? Personally, I would put Hulk on the level of all of those movies, but my hope is TIH will be a Spidey 2, Batman Begins or X2.

Superman Returns... I just don't see what people like you saw in that movie. Same old villain, same old weakness, same old everything... the story's been told like, what, a million times? I just don't get it. Loved the scene where he saves the plane, though... that was kind of neat. Oh, and I liked Brandon Routh. The rest was utterly boring IMO and the impregnated Lane... well, I didn't like that idea.

I applaud you sir. I wasn't a fan of any Spidey film but the first, Superman Returns was a complete bust, because well it was boring. I enjoyed Luther, the end. Batman Begins I thought was an AMAZING film, but it didn't appease me on all levels, I felt it was a great film... not a great Batman film (Forgive me for hating this grounding it in reality garbage.) Also never enjoyed Blade. These arn't films that appeased everyone, heck, no film appeases everyone.

To go even further I knew more people who were bored through Superman Returns than Hulk.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I applaud you sir. I wasn't a fan of any Spidey film but the first, Superman Returns was a complete bust, because well it was boring. I enjoyed Luther, the end. Batman Begins I thought was an AMAZING film, but it didn't appease me on all levels, I felt it was a great film... not a great Batman film (Forgive me for hating this grounding it in reality garbage.) Also never enjoyed Blade. These arn't films that appeased everyone, heck, no film appeases everyone.

To go even further I knew more people who were bored through Superman Returns than Hulk.

Well thank YOU, kind sir. I've tended to agree with your opinions as I've seen you post them, but unless you say something disagreeable or inflammatory, well, there's nothing really to talk about, you know?

But yeah, I actually edited my last post before seeing yours to allow for Spider-Man to be an exception to Jamon's list. That movie really was awesome and I say that with the asterisk that it was especially timely with the Sept. 11 aftermath... it was therapeutic for all of us, it seemed. But there was something about Spidey 2 that I liked even more. I think it was the hopeless romantic in me latching onto Peter and MJ and her finding out everything. And the "Raindrops Falling on My Head" scene. That was just such a cool idea IMO. But I don't think I've watched any movie as much as I've watched Spidey 2, not even my beloved Hulk.

Keeping it off-topic , I loved Batman Begins infinitely more than any of the other Batmans. Like, BB officially put the comic book hero on the map for me. Before, it was just a bunch of goofy, dark films IMO with a wannabe tough guy who has neat little gadgets (and a wickedly cool car). For the record, my company's CEO - I work in a small nonprofit - insists the '89 Batman was the best comic book movie of all-time.

Never saw the Blade movies, 300, V for Vendetta or Elektra. And Hellboy was average IMO. Sin City was just out there IMO... sort of got roped into seeing that one. Wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Going back to a conversation we had a while ago, I do love Narnia and the way Aslan looks. I bring that up because R&H is doing TIH (so it's relevant to this thread), but mainly because I think you might've gotten the impression that I thought Aslan was not believable as a CG character... and that wasn't the case. When I watch the movie, I don't see kids superimposed around him, but I see a live lion interacting with them. I was just trying to say that I think it's easier to digitally recreate an animal than a human.

 

[FrostBite]

Well thank YOU, kind sir. I've tended to agree with your opinions as I've seen you post them, but unless you say something disagreeable or inflammatory, well, there's nothing really to talk about, you know?

But yeah, I actually edited my last post before seeing yours to allow for Spider-Man to be an exception to Jamon's list. That movie really was awesome and I say that with the asterisk that it was especially timely with the Sept. 11 aftermath... it was therapeutic for all of us, it seemed. But there was something about Spidey 2 that I liked even more. I think it was the hopeless romantic in me latching onto Peter and MJ and her finding out everything. And the "Raindrops Falling on My Head" scene. That was just such a cool idea IMO. But I don't think I've watched any movie as much as I've watched Spidey 2, not even my beloved Hulk.

Keeping it off-topic , I loved Batman Begins infinitely more than any of the other Batmans. Like, BB officially put the comic book hero on the map for me. Before, it was just a bunch of goofy, dark films IMO with a wannabe tough guy who has neat little gadgets (and a wickedly cool car). For the record, my company's CEO - I work in a small nonprofit - insists the '89 Batman was the best comic book movie of all-time.

Never saw the Blade movies, 300, V for Vendetta or Elektra. And Hellboy was average IMO. Sin City was just out there IMO... sort of got roped into seeing that one. Wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Going back to a conversation we had a while ago, I do love Narnia and the way Aslan looks. I bring that up because R&H is doing TIH (so it's relevant to this thread), but mainly because I think you might've gotten the impression that I thought Aslan was not believable as a CG character... and that wasn't the case. When I watch the movie, I don't see kids superimposed around him, but I see a live lion interacting with them. I was just trying to say that I think it's easier to digitally recreate an animal than a human.

Well, I must admit, with some characters such as Spider-man I fall into the "Fanboy syndrome" so, when I didn't see funny, witty Peter, and getting geeky awkward Parker, I felt a bit jaded. Whenever I read a comic, Spidey was the one to make me laugh.. not so much with Tobey. I felt there was humor but that his Peter was more of a joke, rather than spouting them. Though I must admit, Raimi's got one sick sense of humor with things like the Raindrops scene, and the dancing down the streets number in Spidey 3. lol

For me, BB again, amazing movie, will probably keep watching it. But for me, I was never big on Batman himself persay, but his villains. And although I got one amazing Batman I got "meh." villains. Even with the upcoming Dark Knight, I feel the twist to make the non-funny un-white-skinned-only-homicidal-Joker just isn't for me. I loves me some glorified, "Never could happen in a million years" villains.

And true about animals being a bit easier to model. But judging on the concept art they are on the right track, and if all else fails if they have a monsterish, animal-like Abomination, it should be pretty nice.

 

[Ash Talon]

Even if Bruce injects himself with the serum...well, it's not much of a thematic change. I'll explain in a second.

One of the major problems with the first movie (and other comic book movies) is that fact that there's no reason to care about Bruce Banner. He has no personality or any particular ambition (other than pure research). This is reflected in his lack of chemistry with Betty. So why should we care about him?

In the comics, Bruce does push an innocent out of the explosions blast, thus turning him into the Hulk. But you're all missing the most important aspect of that origin. Bruce created the bomb that causes his Hulk curse. He...created...the...bomb. He becomes a victim of his own morality. He created a weapon. He suffers from that weapon. And continues to suffer.

In this possible movie origin tweak, Bruce develops a super-soldier serum (all speculation at this point). In his ambition (finally a character trait) or for some reason unknown to us, he tries the serum on himself. He created a weapon. He suffers from that weapon. And continues to suffer.

Basically, the continuing theme of him suffering for creating a weapon is intact. In the comics, he has an instinct to save someone from his weapon. How do we know this possible modified origin doesn't have the same motivation? Maybe the serum was to be tested on someone else, and Bruce doesn't want to take the chance of hurting that person? Isn't that the same thing as pushing someone of a blast's path?

We're left with the same thing, though. Bruce is haunted by his own weapon's power. Good lord, it isn't that hard to figure out.

Besides, it's not like the comics have Bruce suffering from some kind of guilt over the fact that he was saving an innocent. He continuously suffers not from an attempt to save someone as much as he's punished for his past deeds. He can never escape this due to the lingering presence of the Hulk.

Now, quite whining. We're all going to go see this movie anyway. I always find the whole "I'm a huge fan, but I'm not seeing this movie" as such kneejerk BS that won't come to pass. Happens with every comic book movie.

 

[Norm3]

I'm sorry but they are turning Banner in the Dr. Jekyll & Hulk into Hyde! When in the comic it was an accident.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well, I must admit, with some characters such as Spider-man I fall into the "Fanboy syndrome" so, when I didn't see funny, witty Peter, and getting geeky awkward Parker, I felt a bit jaded. Whenever I read a comic, Spidey was the one to make me laugh.. not so much with Tobey. I felt there was humor but that his Peter was more of a joke, rather than spouting them. Though I must admit, Raimi's got one sick sense of humor with things like the Raindrops scene, and the dancing down the streets number in Spidey 3. lol

For me, BB again, amazing movie, will probably keep watching it. But for me, I was never big on Batman himself persay, but his villains. And although I got one amazing Batman I got "meh." villains. Even with the upcoming Dark Knight, I feel the twist to make the non-funny un-white-skinned-only-homicidal-Joker just isn't for me. I loves me some glorified, "Never could happen in a million years" villains.

And true about animals being a bit easier to model. But judging on the concept art they are on the right track, and if all else fails if they have a monsterish, animal-like Abomination, it should be pretty nice.

Interesting points. It continues to intrigue me how our opinions of these movies are shaped by our experiences and namely how the comics influence those experiences. As you said, whenever you read a comic, Spidey made you laugh and so now, naturally, you look for him (Tobey) to make you laugh in the movies. Well, I'm coming from the background of having almost no prior experience with these characters outside of three main cartoons - Spiderman & His Amazing Friends, The Incredible Hulk and He-Man - and the Hulk TV show. I never had access to the comics and, in general I suppose, I'm not interested in them. I just like the characters and the Hulk's story appeals to me the most.

Raimi... seriously, I loved the "Raindrops" scene in Spidey 2. It was appropriate for a one-time use, for a special effect per se, and it tied in nicely with the themes of that movie IMO. But it was overkill and completely stupid in Spidey 3, and I attribute it to Raimi's failure to take the movie in a new direction, to be forward-looking, to be cutting-edge and to reinvent the franchise and/or to give us Peter Parker in a new light. Instead, he simply gave us more IMO. More villains, more angst, more minutes... and more doesn't always equate success.

I'm going to withhold judgment about TDK until it comes out. I've been following zero press on the movie... I still could hardly care less about Batman as a character... but like you, the non-funny un-white-skinned-only-homicidal-Joker doesn't readily appeal to me. Is it reinventing the Joker? Yeah, it seems to be, which would seem to be a good thing. But in this case, why do you reinvent the most classic villain the series has ever known? It seems to be counterintuitive and I think the movie's gonna bomb because of it... but again, I'm not following its press and one good trailer could change my opinion.

"I loves me some glorified, 'Never could happen in a million years' villains."
Ha! That is too true. I think that's why I am absolutely stoked to see the Abomination. I mean, who do you compare him to? He's unlike any other villain, with the exception of Alien or Predator or something. I'm not too familiar with those movies, so forgive me if I'm way off. I'm looking forward to a battle of titanic proportions with the Hulk.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Hmmmmm not to be a Richard Cranium but this kinda blows the whole not doing the bomb to be PC thng right out of the water. I have nothing against the suicide attempt I think it should go like this;

We follow the shadowy figure of a MAN, as he walks further and further onto the snowy iciness. He drops to the frozen ground, "I hate you Hulk! I Hate You!" the MAN pulls off his garb, crying, in pain and pulling a gun from his waistband. "You've taken my life. You've ruined my life. I hate you." he puts the gun to his head and tries to kill himself. The gun goes off. Pifft (the sound of spitting) THE HULK appears, spitting out a bullet, "Hulk hates Banner to."

I think that is an awesome idea CJ. Kind of a inter-battle between Banner and Hulk. Very nice.

 

[Dragon]

Supersoldier formula=Hulk........stupid.

Working supersoldier formula but no supersoldiers....stupid

Blonsky transformation....very stupid

Plus-Too many wasted scenes (Banner suicide attempt, Banner in Brazil, Samson...)

This movie may turn out ok....but I'm not counting on it.

 

[Eros]

I'm sorry but they are turning Banner in the Dr. Jekyll & Hulk into Hyde! When in the comic it was an accident.

considering the original basis of Hulk/banner was based on Jekyll and Hyde, I don't see the problem with that.

 

[gdw]

Hmm, I actually just came in here with the intention of looking up the Hulk origin change from the script. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised it is such a hot topic.

Now I, personally, am fine with the inclusion of the super soldier formula in some way as it is often wrapped into many of Marvel's back stories now a days. However, I would really like to see the G bomb being the true origin, or at least what triggers it, even if the formula was tied in before it.

Not that my oppinion really is of anyone's concern.

However, what I found interesting in the script summaries we got was that Blonsky is only, well, turned into a "super" soldier from the formula, but it is not until he gets a does of the stuff worked out from Bruce's blood that he becomes the full Abomination.

Considering the "explanation" Ross uses to get Blonsky to agree, I wouldn't be surprised if Ross was bending the truth in that matter so as to justify his hunt of Banner to the right people. Considering these bits of info, it would make sense that there is more to Hulk's origin than is laid out in these summaries. Mind you, I do not see why the people who read the scripts would have not included the a bomb stuff.
It is not like it is really any kind of twist or real secret spoiler.


Any who, on a similar not, with the Ang Lee origin take, what really was salt in the wound to me, was the inclusion of a gamma bomb, just it had nothing to, directly, do with Hulk's creation. Every time I see it, I think 'You made a damn G bomb in the movie, so obviously it had nothing to do with the probability of it happening, but you don't use it for the actual damned use it had in the books??? WTF???'