Season 6, Episode 7 "The Broken Man" Discussion Thread

The thing I assumed, going by the books, was that they were going to more or less give Stannis' arc of becoming the liberator of the North set on rescuing a Stark child to Jon this season. They cut out all of the Northern support Stannis accumulated in order to have Jon fill that role, but it seems like that's not really the case either. I mean yeah, he has House Mormont like Stannis did, but otherwise it seems like they're choosing to approach the Lords of the North as not particularly loyal to the Starks, nor do they seem to hold that same vehement desire for revenge after the Red Wedding.

We need Big Bucket Wull, dammit!
 
An ok episode, felt like possibly the weakest one so far this season though.

I just hate that the Starks are more or less chumps in the eyes of the North, and even worse, that the show is being written in a manner to justify that view.
 
Arya's scene pissed me off. Why is she just walking around without a disguise lol

correct me if i'm wrong, but she has no clue that the Waif was spying on her, and does not know that the "hit" has been put on her. she probably thinks that once she gets on that ship at dawn, all will be well.

i have no clue what happens here book-wise, but i wouldnt be surprised to see Lady Crane show again.

Lady Mormont was a nice treat. I liked that Davos was able to sway her more than Sansa and Jon. It sounds wrong, but he knows how to talk to young ladies ie: his rapport with Shireen, but i think what he said would've influenced just about anyone.
sure sounds like Robb burned some bridges up North. a lot of people still holding onto that, understandably.
i'm assuming Sansa was writing to enlist the Knights of the Vale right? at first, i thought she was forging a letter from jon, but it looked like she signed it Sansa Stark.

totally see why the Freys are seen as a joke now. their "army" was poor. looks like just about anyone could take them out.
i dont remember the Brotherhood being so vicious. was there a particular reason why they slaughtered that whole group of people?
 
Arya should've either stayed in her hidey hole and used her skills to sneak aboard a ship...or went straight back to the House. Going back to the House, I'm following the line of thought that they'd be so busy searching Braavos that they wouldn't catch Arya right under their own noses.

i thought she was on her way back. or at least that happened not too long after she booked passage. she was too confident and not focused and it got the better of her
 
Oh and for a twist..what if next week's trial by combat we have Cersei's champion Frankenmountain vs the High Sparrow's champion Tommen?
Tommen dies,Marjery takes the throne. (she will have to consumate the marriage first though.)

they consummated that marriage a long time ago. many times
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but she has no clue that the Waif was spying on her, and does not know that the "hit" has been put on her. she probably thinks that once she gets on that ship at dawn, all will be well.

You're right, she doesn't know she is being spied on. But at this point, after all the training, you'd think she would realize the people would know she didn't do her job. She's walking without a worry.

And... well... she does realize they are going to hunt her down... which is why she gets he sword and goes into hiding in that small corridor or whatever last episode.
 
thats why i'm hoping she was pretending to be foolish and this wasn't her actually being dumb

Waif went to town on her so i don't know how she was able to force the Waif off her, go over the bridge in the water, stay down long enough for the Waif to think her dead and leave, then walk through the market or whatever that was

if they're going with young and careless, it's kinda poorly done, especially with all the life experience and training arya has accumulated since Ned's death.
 
also did Wun Wun say "Snow" or "No" lol
 
I think he said Snow. Do ya'll think the High Sparrow can get the Queen of Thorns if she flees to Highgarden? Remember last season, how he talked about controlling the people that harvest the grain. I took that as him having done some preaching down there at some point.
 
He said "Snow". At least that's what the subtitles in my country said.
 
definitely said Snow... lol Jon nodded in approval and the rest of the Wildlings joined him... I doubt a 'no' would have warranted those responses.
 
black fish owned his scenes and Bron always a welcomed sight but that Arya stuff at end I mean I root for her but she should be dead after being stabbed in the gut and possibly getting wound infected in that water then to swim in that conditioned wow
 
Queen of Thorns calling out Cersei being the cause of her own downfall was great.

Loved seeing the return of Blackfish, Bronn and Hound. Three straight talkers.

Looking forward to seeing Sandor Clegane going Punisher on Brotherhood Without Banners.

Lyanna Mormont has her uncle and cousins wisdom. Hopefully she doesn't go the way of Shireen.

Yara finally got some sexual action that didn't involve her brother.

Ian McShane's Septon was like one of those cool laid back reverends. I bet Cersei wishes someone like him was in charge of the faith militant rather than the high sparrow.


SoOoo clever Arya -betray an assassin's guild, then walk around everywhere in broad daylight without a disguise.
Arya is a Stark. Starks are stupidly naive.

I wonder what Maegarys plan is to get out this religious mess.

Margaery remains a consummate game player. She has a cunning plan. If anyone is going to handle the faith militant fanatics I think it will be her.

Ser Davos keeping his eyes on the real prize:
“The real war isn’t between a few squabbling houses. It’s between the living and the dead and make no mistake, my lady, the dead are coming.”

Septa Unella is like a nun from hell.
 
My favorite part was all things Ian McShane, he's such an underused actor. Too bad his role was short.

Then came the verbal beatdown, and I do mean beatdown, Cersi got. Holy cow, that sends her over the final edge no doubt. Backed into a corner now. She will strike.

The Arya scenes need to move forward quickly. Hopefully she will reunite with Jon and Sansa before too long.

Can't wait for the final 3 episodes.
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but she has no clue that the Waif was spying on her, and does not know that the "hit" has been put on her. she probably thinks that once she gets on that ship at dawn, all will be well.

You're wrong. Jaqen straight out told her that if she fails to kill the actress, it will be Arya's face added the wall. She knows that the Faceless Men can change their faces. Her guard should've been up. If this isn't part of some scheme by Arya (and her getting stabbed certainly would indicate that it is not), then the Waif getting the drop on her so effortlessly makes her come off as a bit of a dumbass.

At any rate, I am mixed on this episode. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I liked the change in format and the interweaving of story lines.

I am mixed on The Hound's return IN THIS CONTEXT. It would be one thing if he were brought ought as a champion of the Faith to fight against his brother (and that may be the end game). But to introduce some nameless Septon, this late in the game, only to [blackout]kill him off (and kinda waste Ian McShane)[/blackout] and set the Hound on a quest for revenge against the Brotherhood Without Banners...it just seems a bit pointless.

With one or two seasons left (so at most 23 episodes, and if the rumors are to be believed more like 15 or 16), this is the point where story lines should be converging and the plot should be becoming more streamlined (which is mostly happening...Arya is on her way back to Westeros, the Stark children are slowly but surely reuniting, Dany is having all kinds of Westerosi characters seek her out with the hope to expedite her return, Kings Landing characters are dropping like flies, Jamie and Brienne are on a collision course, etc). That makes The Hound's story feel all the more out of place. A random quest for revenge that does not seem to be tied to anything or have much potential to tie up any loose ends/advance the plot in a meaningful way just feels superfluous.

Of course, the behavior of the Brotherhood (which is very different from when we last saw them and have taken to hanging people...a tactic of their new leader perhaps?), the timing of their reintroduction, and the other clues scattered throughout the past few episodes certainly indicates that the Hound is about to enter into conflict with Lady Stoneheart. But if that is the case, why? What is the end game? You have all of the principles of that story line in Riverrun; Jamie, Brienne, Podrick, the Brotherhood. Why bring the Hound into it? The only justification I can see for reintroducing the Hound as a reformed man is to kill him at the hands of Stoneheart. It would make sense. Rather than hanging faceless, meaningless Lannister and Frey bannermen, we see her hang the Hound...a character that the audience not only knows, but also knows has reformed. It would have an emotional impact, pull at the viewer's heartstrings and show, due to his reformed nature, the monster that Catelyn has become. Plus killing someone as formidable as the Hound would certainly up her threat level. It would also feel very Game of Thrones-esque to reintroduce a popular character with an entire episode devoted to him being convinced that he still has a purpose, set him on a badass quest for vengeance, only to kill him a few episodes later would be very fitting of the show. It would also have a nice circular nature to it. The Brotherhood spared the Hound because the Gods demanded it (through him winning trial by combat). For Lady Stoneheart to say "to hell with the Gods" and kill him anyway...its all fitting.

I dunno, I am spitballing...but it is the only meaningful impact I can see the Hound having at this point, based on the trajectory he is on.

I think Stoneheart's return is inevitable. Not to become a Stoneheart conspiracy theorist, but last night we saw the Brotherhood Without Banners hang a man. A self-proclaimed former soldier who committed atrocities in war (including killing a boy in front of his mother...seems like the type of thing that would spark an interest from a revenge driven mother). We don't know what house he fought for, but I will bet it was the Freys, the Boltons, or the Lannisters.
 
You're wrong. Jaqen straight out told her that if she fails to kill the actress, it will be Arya's face added the wall. She knows that the Faceless Men can change their faces. Her guard should've been up. If this isn't part of some scheme by Arya (and her getting stabbed certainly would indicate that it is not), then the Waif getting the drop on her so effortlessly makes her come off as a bit of a dumbass.

she had no idea the Waif was watching her at the play... so no, she wasn't wrong...

it's a bit of a dumb scene really... she looks like a dumb ass one way... and if we are to pretend it's part of her plan... its beyond silly, even for D&D.

I didn't know what to make of it and didn't know why the **** it was even there. Next episode she is seen jumping off rooftops... so Arya has Wolverine healing abilities.

pretty sad when the most logical way to think of it was a joke from earlier tonight regarding Arya and hidden blood packs in her shirt.
 
I kept waiting for her to pull out a couple of busted blood packs after she got out of the canal.
 
she had no idea the Waif was watching her at the play... so no, she wasn't wrong...

But in the end, Arya's mark is still alive, her client sold out, and Arya has gone AWOL. She may not know that the Waif was watching her at the play, specifically save the life of the actress, but she certainly knows that her mark is not dead, that the Faceless Men know this, and will be after her.

it's a bit of a dumb scene really... she looks like a dumb ass one way... and if we are to pretend it's part of her plan... its beyond silly, even for D&D.

I didn't know what to make of it and didn't know why the **** it was even there. Next episode she is seen jumping off rooftops... so Arya has Wolverine healing abilities.

pretty sad when the most logical way to think of it was a joke from earlier tonight regarding Arya and hidden blood packs in her shirt.

I think it was included to draw a parallel with the Hound. I mean, the scene leaves Arya much as she left the Hound. Wounded, bleeding out, with no help in sight nor any quick death on its way. That is where we leave Arya. In the very next scene, the episode then ends with the Hound coming "back to life" (so to speak) from the very similar situation Arya left him in. I think it was an, admittedly, clumsy attempt to draw parallel.
 
You're right, she doesn't know she is being spied on. But at this point, after all the training, you'd think she would realize the people would know she didn't do her job. She's walking without a worry.

And... well... she does realize they are going to hunt her down... which is why she gets he sword and goes into hiding in that small corridor or whatever last episode.

But in the end, Arya's mark is still alive, her client sold out, and Arya has gone AWOL. She may not know that the Waif was watching her at the play, specifically save the life of the actress, but she certainly knows that her mark is not dead, that the Faceless Men know this, and will be after her.



I think it was included to draw a parallel with the Hound. I mean, the scene leaves Arya much as she left the Hound. Wounded, bleeding out, with no help in sight nor any quick death on its way. That is where we leave Arya. In the very next scene, the episode then ends with the Hound coming "back to life" (so to speak) from the very similar situation Arya left him in. I think it was an, admittedly, clumsy attempt to draw parallel.


yea she knows she's ****ed but she didn't know the Waif was watching her at the play.
 
But that is my point. She knows she is ****ed. Her guard should've been up. Instead she got duped by a little old lady when she knows the Faceless Men can change faces and hide their identity?

Of course, there is another explanation to all of this. HAs anyone read the theory that Arya and the Waif are the same person? Arya may not be stabbed at all. It may all be in her head. It would certainly explain why everyone is so impartial to a little girl roaming the streets, gushing blood. Basically, the conflict with the Waif is, in actuality, Arya's internal struggle between keeping her sense of self/true identity and giving it up to truly become No One. It would certainly be fitting that the Waif attacks her and she engages in a fight with the Waif right after she books passage home and resolves to leave for Westeros (embracing her true identity). Now she has a final conflict where she has to choose between becoming faceless and remaining Arya Stark.

You can read an overview here.
 
Yeah I hope that theory is true.
 
But that is my point. She knows she is ****ed. Her guard should've been up. Instead she got duped by a little old lady when she knows the Faceless Men can change faces and hide their identity?

Of course, there is another explanation to all of this. HAs anyone read the theory that Arya and the Waif are the same person? Arya may not be stabbed at all. It may all be in her head. It would certainly explain why everyone is so impartial to a little girl roaming the streets, gushing blood. Basically, the conflict with the Waif is, in actuality, Arya's internal struggle between keeping her sense of self/true identity and giving it up to truly become No One. It would certainly be fitting that the Waif attacks her and she engages in a fight with the Waif right after she books passage home and resolves to leave for Westeros (embracing her true identity). Now she has a final conflict where she has to choose between becoming faceless and remaining Arya Stark.

You can read an overview here.

yea i posted it a couple pages back i think (may be in another thread) problem is they have all 3 been in the same room and conversed together... I liked that idea though...
 
I dunno, I am spitballing
It's fun to read so please continue. :woot:

I agree that with the amount of screentime rumoured to be left, now is not the time to be introducing any new side plots. Should be all about resolving earlier side plots and moving everything else towards end game (and most of those pieces seem to be moving in the right direction at least).
 

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