Season 6, Episode 8 "No One" Discussion Thread

[Reek]

No. She has Wolverine healing powers. Nothing funny about it.

 

[Xrated48]

Was anyone else laughing at the chase of Arya?

Um no

 

[Lencho01]

No. She has Wolverine healing powers. Nothing funny about it.

Um no

It just came off as silly to me.

 

[Reek]

because it was silly. she could barely walk last episode... gets a glass of milk of the poppy... takes a nap... and is ready to go.

 

[Thundercrack85]

This season has had some pretty bad, if not outright amateurish writing. Telepetyr, previously noble Northern houses conveniently turning evil, Arya becoming Wolverine, Dany killing a bunch of Mongol patriarchs and instantly becoming the new Khan (Klingon style)... but oh well.

I will say, the Hound chopping that guy's head off was great.

 

[Reek]

careful... when I say things like that people freak out.

 

[Marvolo]

This season has had some pretty bad, if not outright amateurish writing. Telepetyr, previously noble Northern houses conveniently turning evil, Arya becoming Wolverine, Dany killing a bunch of Mongol patriarchs and instantly becoming the new Khan (Klingon style)... but oh well.

I will say, the Hound chopping that guy's head off was great.

 

[Charlatan]

This season has had some pretty bad, if not outright amateurish writing. Telepetyr, previously noble Northern houses conveniently turning evil, Arya becoming Wolverine, Dany killing a bunch of Mongol patriarchs and instantly becoming the new Khan (Klingon style)... but oh well.

I will say, the Hound chopping that guy's head off was great.

and then you have the Brotherhood. Which is GRRM's version of Robin Hood and his merry men. Berric is the undead Robin Hood, Thorson is a Necromaner Friar Tuck,Hound a Two-Faced Monstrous Little John.

 

[Reek]

wow... no hate for him being negative about it?

Fancy that.

 

[Wise]

Pretty solid episode to get things moving after last week's slower pace. I loved seeing the Clegane boys wreaking havoc (though I was really expecting FrankenMountain to take down more Sparrows) and the ending with Arya finally putting down the Waif. I liked the Meereen stuff this week also, as brief as it was. I assume we'll be seeing that battle in the finale since I don't think they'll shift focus away from the Battle of Winterfell next week.

My only complaint is that given all the time they devoted to Riverrun this week, they didn't even show the Blackfish's death?

Most disappointing moment of the season. I wanted him to rip Lancel's head and spine out of his pouncy little body and swing it around like a meaty mace beating the other Sparrows to death with it and then unceremoniously drop punting it over the castle walls into the latrine drain.

 

[Havok83]

YES! Finally after all these years something good happens with Arya. I dont get how she was able to kill Waif girl in her condition though nto to mention Waif is a trained assassin who is more skillful than Arya. Oh well I dont care. I just hope she makes it home

eta: She did cut the lights out. Im guessing that was how she did it. She's used to fighting in the dark since she trained while blind. Aahhh that makes sense. How ironic is it that Waif trained her in that condition

 

[chamber-music]

Now I have images of Sansa in a rock band with Tommen, Grayworm and Littlefinger.

Well Greyworm is Raleigh Ritchie so he can rock out on his own

Not enough yet for The Swimsuit Calendar of R'hllor but there's still time!

The Lord Of Light has the hottest priestesses.

If you want to see Septa Unella in a swimsuit then watch Bennidorm.

I agree about Jamie, I doubt he'd do that to a baby even though he did advise against using a threat you can't back up. He knew Edmure was weak and would cave.

Jaime tried to murder Bran Stark and murdered his own cousin in an escape attempt. I don't think killing a baby is outside his wheelhouse.

Edmure was pretty great, acting wise, makes me want to watch that other show he is in.. I believe it is Outlander?

Outlander has even more raping than Game Of Thrones.

I suggest watching Catastrophe instead. He plays Doctor Ken and the show is great.

 

[TheFuture]

So relieved that the A=W crap was nonsense in the end and Arya did exactly what I hoped she'd do: off the Waif and tell "Jaqen" to go and **** himself.

Edmure's decision was interesting to me and I won't judge him too harshly. The Blackfish was on a kamikaze mission and treated Edmure's life with indifference. The Tully name survives due to Edmure's actions.

 

[Reek]

Edmure did what any man would do.

I'm glad the meat armor nonsense can end too

 

[Matt]

This season has had some pretty bad, if not outright amateurish writing. Telepetyr,

Admittedly silly, but a story telling necessity that viewers accept as part of the suspension of disbelief. I mean, you're watching a show with dragons, zombies, time travel possession, and resurrection and you are complaining about a guy traveling from point A to point B too quickly?

previously noble Northern houses conveniently turning evil,

I really don't get why people are so hung up on this. On the show, Roose Bolton was Robb's loyal, albeit cold, lieutenant. A meeting with Jamie at Harrenhall with some questionable dialogue was the only warning that he would betray Robb (assuming you've not read the books). Then he did just that. Do you want villains to sit around and sinisterly twirl their mustaches to coreograph whether they are "evil"?

Beyond that, I really think quite a few of you have missed the underlying message of the Ned Stark character...honor is stupid. Almost the entire point of the first book was that when it comes to one's own self-advancement, power, and protecting one's family, "honor" goes out the door and those who keep it are playing at a handicap.

Was Tyrion "evil" because he helped defend Joffrey's rule of Kings Landing? Is Jamie "evil"? The entire point of Martin's work is that these are often silly and arbitrary concepts. The northerners aren't behaving evilly. They see who has power and they are doing what it takes to advance themselves and protect their families.

Arya becoming Wolverine,

Admittedly dumb, but again, it's TV. Jack Bauer can save the world after being shot through the stomach or infect with a biological weapon. Such is the nature of suspension of disbelief. It wasn't logical, but it's not the big deal fans are making it to me.

Dany killing a bunch of Mongol patriarchs and instantly becoming the new Khan (Klingon style)... but oh well.

But again, this makes sense and is consistent with the show's lore. Dothraki are a suspicious, primitive people. They saw Dany emerge from a huge pit of fire unscathed. To them she is a god. Of course it's not logical. That's the point. Dothraki aren't.

 

[TheFuture]

I'm not one to get too bothered with suspension of belief and I roll with most things, but when they contradict they're own writing that's when it irritates.

When Arya is startled by the noise made when the Waif murders Crane, she's still grimacing and can barely get out of bed. A couple of seconds later she's booting through the streets of Bravos nay bother to her.

 

[Reek]

adrenaline.

but... i agree.. because once she puts the Waifs face on the wall.. she walks away perfectly fine.

 

[Reek]

and you know what else, she should have stabbed jaqen through the heart there.. then walked away... would have been better IMO.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

@Matt, not necessarily. GRRM made characters like Joffrey, Ramsay, Gregor Clegane who have shown no characteristics beyond being evil. Even GRRM has nothing good to say about them in interviews. So there are "evil" characters and "good" characters. The majority are in the middle though.

 

[Iceman]

I love Jaqen but this storyline went on way too long.

 

[P Supreme]

because it was silly. she could barely walk last episode... gets a glass of milk of the poppy... takes a nap... and is ready to go.

yeah I was rolling my eyes at this I'm a huge fan of Arya but she is super human at this point and it's just crazy

 

[chamber-music]

I liked the Bronn and Pod scene.

It is only a matter of time until someone makes a real wine called Imp’s Delight

 

[Matt]

I'm not one to get too bothered with suspension of belief and I roll with most things, but when they contradict they're own writing that's when it irritates.

When Arya is startled by the noise made when the Waif murders Crane, she's still grimacing and can barely get out of bed. A couple of seconds later she's booting through the streets of Bravos nay bother to her.

I think at least some of her behavior at Lady Crane's home was acting. Remember the conversation between her and Crane? Arya is a good "actress." She is also a good enough liar to fool Jacquen into thinking she is truly no one. I think the way she smeared blood on the wall to lure the Waif right where she wanted her, followed by her being absolutely fine once she had the sword reflects that Arya was, to some extent, aware that the Waif was watching and exaggerating her injuries. I agree that it could have been expressed better, but thinking of the totality of Arya's arc, that is what I got from it.

and you know what else, she should have stabbed jaqen through the heart there.. then walked away... would have been better IMO.

I disagree. Doing so would've been a declaration of war against the Faceless Men. Only a life pays for a life. Crane's life, which was already paid for, was taken. Arya's death was also ordered. Arya paid for her life by taking the Waif's. That is why Jacquen let her go. She settled her debt. If she killed him, she would've thrown off the balance.

@Matt, not necessarily. GRRM made characters like Joffrey, Ramsay, Gregor Clegane who have shown no characteristics beyond being evil. Even GRRM has nothing good to say about them in interviews. So there are "evil" characters and "good" characters. The majority are in the middle though.

I agree there are some evil and good characters. But none of them really fair well in that world and even the best and worst of them have their limits. Joffrey was an evil **** who was terrified of Tywin. Ned was all about his honor, but was willing to lie and declare Joffrey king to protect his daughters. Everyone has their limits.

I love Jaqen but this storyline went on way too long.

I agree there. It essentially was two seasons of Arya going through an extended training montage. But I think that is the downside of being an adaptation. In the books, Arya can spend 2 or 3 books with Jacquen in an extended training montage and then bring her back into the main fold when the time comes because we only see her for a few chapters per book and those few chapters can get into far greater detail than a 10 minute per episode segment (making it more interesting). On the show, you cannot just write out a character as important/popular as Arya for a season (as was done with Bran and Rickon) so we have to check in on her. But the story has only just reached the point that warrants her moving on from the Faceless Men. So she was basically in two seasons of being stuck in neutral by necessity.

 

[Havok83]

I love Jaqen but this storyline went on way too long.

I hope it's truly over and he doesn't come back to have her killed

 

[Kane52630]

It overstayed its welcome. Which is a shame, I wish they could have done more with the hit jobs.