Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel!

[Fallen Angel]

But that would be an awesome film.

 

[Teelie]

The first Predator is Predator Vs Soldiers. The second one is Predator Vs Cops. When we say Predator Vs Vikings, Samurai, etc, it obviously means that we want to see the Predator in a setting where he's hunting them and they are fighting for survival.

If you want to dumb it down that simplistically, then yes. But it also shows how quickly that formula staled when they didn't do a Predator 3 and did a quasi-sequel almost 20 years later that also went to something other than Predator vs soldiers or cops (or samurai or vikings or ninjas or space soldiers or whatever). It was a more diverse group of people. Some were soldiers, some were convicts, others were something else. And it still was barely a success.

So nope, doing the same thing again like that isn't going to cut it.

 

[killface]

Yes because Predator franchise is at Fox along with Alien. Batman is the property of WB.

That was rhetorical wishful thinking. As a card carrying nerd, I'm fully aware of who holds the rights to those franchises. Only Fox could be responsible for such atrocities like AVP And AVP2.

 

[Fallen Angel]

That was rhetorical wishful thinking. As a card carrying nerd, I'm fully aware of who holds the rights to those franchises. Only Fox could be responsible for such atrocities like AVP And AVP2.

Doh! my bad. Hey you never know some might have thought that mashup was possible. But like I said that would be a great film if it ever did happen.

 

[killface]

Doh! my bad. Hey you never know some might have thought that mashup was possible. But like I said that would be a great film if it ever did happen.

Well, it kinda happened already. Not the best fan film but it's fine for what it is.[YT]MOB13T6Zmh8[/YT]

Anyway, a Predator movie is at it's best when it's on a modest budget with a director with an eye for great visuals, great writer and an interesting lead. The first one had a $33m budget (adjusted for inflation), Joe McTiernan, Shane Black, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. They had the formula pat down with the first one and they just strayed too far from it

 

[Thundarr]

AVP failed miserably in the box office because it fails as a film. The characters were walking cardboards, the story was a wet rag, the visuals were rungs lower than Predator 1 and 2. AVP2 was just an abomination on celluloid.

Predator vs other warriors from different eras will be a fresh concept as long as it's executed well. The differences in warrior codes, weapons, environments and how the Predator adapts to it is a promising concept. If it's treated as a "let's plug in a Predator against these guys for sh*** and giggles" then it will surely be horrible.

With all that said, I just want a live action Batman vs Predator. Is that too much to ask from the world?

I was going to post the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. Well said my friend.

 

[Thundarr]

If you want to dumb it down that simplistically, then yes. But it also shows how quickly that formula staled when they didn't do a Predator 3 and did a quasi-sequel almost 20 years later that also went to something other than Predator vs soldiers or cops (or samurai or vikings or ninjas or space soldiers or whatever). It was a more diverse group of people. Some were soldiers, some were convicts, others were something else. And it still was barely a success.

So nope, doing the same thing again like that isn't going to cut it.

It's a little more complicated than "doing the same formula over again = failure". The first movie had a lot of things going for it that made it a huge success. Besides the quality of writing, directing, and visual effects, it also starred Arnold at the height of his popularity. It also had a great supporting cast, including Carl Weathers and Jesse Ventura. But most importantly, it was something NEW.

The second movie also had a very strong cast, writing, and visual effects. Was it as good as the original? That depends on who you ask. Some people feel that it's better than the original. Others think it comes a close second. While still others think that the sequel is every bit as good as the original with neither of them being better than the other. (I'm personally of the opinion that the original was better, but Part 2 was a damn good sequel)

The failure of AVP wasn't so much that it was a "Versus" movie. It had more to do with it being a poorly executed "Versus" movie. Aliens vs Predator had worked for years in novel and comic book format. Had they stuck more closely to the source material "Alien vs Predator: Prey" then the movie likely would have been far better, and far better received. And don't forget, it was nearly a decade between Predator 2 and AVP. There was no reason for it to be that bad except for studio interference. (The less said about AVP:R the better)

As for Predators, the failures of the movie had nothing to do with the nostalgic little winks at the original movies. Nor did it have anything to do with the similarities to the older films. The first big problem was with the concept of the Game Preserve Planet. The best that the characters could hope for was to kill all of the predators and then wait for the next batch to come by and hunt them. Not much of a victory there. Secondly was the fact that the humans were all a bunch of mismatched individuals. Sure, individually they were among the deadliest people on the planet. An ex special ops mercenary, an Israeli sniper, a Yakuza assassin, a Mexican cartel enforcer, a Russian spetznaz, a couple of serial killers, and a Somali pirate. This led to some interesting interactions between the characters, but that was about it. They weren't a team, just a group of individuals. They weren't bound by anything other than a common enemy. Which leads to the final failing of the film, the Predators themselves. In the first movie it took ONE Predator to take out Arnold's ENTIRE TEAM of highly trained commandos. In the second movie it took ONE Predator to not only take out Danny Glover's ENTIRE TEAM of highly trained cops, but also several heavily armed Colombian and Jamaican gangsters, as well as an ENTIRE TEAM of highly trained, heavily armed government agents who were prepared SPECIFICALLLY to fight a Predator. Then in Predators, a TEAM of not one, not two, but THREE Predators couldn't even take down a ragtag group that doesn't know each other, doesn't trust each other, and in some cases really SHOULDN'T trust each other. In all of the comics and novels that I've ever read, I've never seen the Predators be Nerfed like that.

So if someone decided that instead of keeping things modern, or setting a Predator movie in the distant future, they were instead set the movie sometime in the PAST, then that would certainly be a fresh approach. And with the right writer, the right director, the right cast, and if Fox knows enough to keep their damned noses the heck OUT of the creative process, then this certainly COULD be a huge success. And the foundation for such a story had already been laid. Remember in Part 2 when the leader of the hunting expedition gave Danny Glover a flintlock pistol with the year 1717 engraved on it? Or in Predators when the Yakuza assassin found an ancient katana and remarked on how old it was? They've already established that the Predators have been hunting us for centuries. So why not tell one of those tales?

 

[chamber-music]

Predators seem to like super hot climates (lame AVP movies withstanding) so whoever they face it would be in a setting that is either tropical or enduring a big heatwave like in the previous movies.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Erm hope this ain't true.

http://heroichollywood.com/rumor-james-franco-considered-shane-blacks-predator/

For a while, there has not been much reports about who has been looked at to lead this new film. The likes of Batman alumni have apparently been considered, with Ben Affleck having been Black’s top choice, and back ups included Christian Bale and Tom Hardy. This does not seem only like a trend with Batman actors, but also Hollywood A-List action movie stars. But according to a new *rumor* from Jeff Sneider via Meet the Movie Press, the agency CAA is pushing for actor James Franco to star in the upcoming film. According to this rumor, he’s pretty high on the list.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'd never imagine Franco taking on the Predator. I want it.

 

[Sithborg]

That is an interesting direction to take it, that is for sure...

 

[Lord]

They also went with an unlikely action hero actor in Predators...it didn't realy work out there.

 

[Nathan]

I loved Adrien Brody as Royce. It's the rest of the Movie that was a letdown.

 

[dude stannis]

Honestly, if Ryan Gosling as Holland March is any indication, it wouldn't be too bad.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Yeah if that's the case it won't be too bad. But that movie had Russell fricking Crowe as his co lead. This one he's going in as lead. He's the Arnie.

 

[dude stannis]

I don't know how Black goes from Affleck, Bale and Hardy straight to James Franco. Sounds fishy to me.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Affleck was never in serious consideration I don't think, too busy.

Bale was a possibility but he signed up for Hostiles which is currently shooting and Hardy signs up for a gajillion projects anyway. They could get a much bigger star and considering Black said Fox want to treat this how they treat the Alien movies, then the budget will be much bigger.

 

[dude stannis]

The thing wont shoot until October, so Hostiles will be well and truly wrapped by then. Most of these big names average 12 weeks on a big film. Mind you, generally when casting announcements are made, the deals had been in place for ages, so for all we know whoever it is has already been signed.

 

[nite-owl]

Erm hope this ain't true.

http://heroichollywood.com/rumor-james-franco-considered-shane-blacks-predator/

 

[Fallen Angel]

The thing wont shoot until October, so Hostiles will be well and truly wrapped by then. Most of these big names average 12 weeks on a big film. Mind you, generally when casting announcements are made, the deals had been in place for ages, so for all we know whoever it is has already been signed.

True I just don't want to imagine Franco being the lead on a movie such as this. A team member? Sure.

 

[Doctor Jones]

If anyone could get something good out of a weird choice in this kind of movie, it's Shane Black.

 

[Moridin]

I doubt Franco will get it. The rumour is just that the agency is pushing him for it, not that Black or Fox actually want him or are in talks with him.

 

[Abudefduf]

Well, call me crazy but Franco's exactly the kind of actor I'd expect Shane Black to hire.

 

[dark_b]

Franco in the last years doesnt care about his performances in big budget movies. he looks bored and sometimes high.

 

[Golgo-13]

I would love the next movie to have the Predator come hunting for trophies in Gotham Cty!