Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings General Discussion and Speculation thread

[Pink Ranger]

What internet does mainland China have?

Or what access to anything else in the world do they have? Aren't most things censored?

WeChat says hi. Considering that most mainlanders I know are on their phones 18 hrs/day, they're obvi looking at something, even if it is heavily biased and censored.

 

[Fallen]

 

[Abudefduf]

This guy is ridiculously cute and funny. He's single-handedly making me even more hyped for the movie.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope he uses some nunchakus in this movie. In fact, a double nunchaku fight would be great like in Way of the Dragon. Or a nunchaku duel like in Game of Death.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

If any movie needed to nail the fight choreography it is this one. They gotta spare no expense.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't want the choreography to be like the Grandmaster. That has way too much slow-mo shots, which I don't find looks good at all. Also the flow of it keeps breaking up, making it all very stop and start like an American football game.

I want it to flow more and to run at normal speed like classic martial arts films.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I wonder if we could get an Iron Man 4. Since we're getting Black Widow, which is set around the time of post Civil War, we could easily get an Iron Man film set in the 5 years post snap. Maybe during that time he could go up against the real Mandarin. I don't know when Shang Chi is set, but they could set it at any time.

Otherwise it's sad that Tony Stark never got to go up against the real leader of the group that held him in captivity in 2008. It's something that he never was able to resolve.

At the moment I wouldn't mind RDJ making a cameo for a flashback to tie the Mandarin in with his character.

I wonder if we'll see any reference to All Hail the King and Trevor Slattery and how the real Mandarin is not happy.

I really want Trevor to show up, and I like your idea of an Iron Man flashback where he faces down the real Mandarin. It would draw people into this unknown property, and lend a little bit of credibility to the character in the MCU...which I think he might need. And it would give a little more Iron Man closure with the 10 Rings.

 

[Melpardus]

I wonder if we could get an Iron Man 4. Since we're getting Black Widow, which is set around the time of post Civil War, we could easily get an Iron Man film set in the 5 years post snap. Maybe during that time he could go up against the real Mandarin. I don't know when Shang Chi is set, but they could set it at any time.

Otherwise it's sad that Tony Stark never got to go up against the real leader of the group that held him in captivity in 2008. It's something that he never was able to resolve.

At the moment I wouldn't mind RDJ making a cameo for a flashback to tie the Mandarin in with his character.

I wonder if we'll see any reference to All Hail the King and Trevor Slattery and how the real Mandarin is not happy.

I get that The Mandarin was important to the Iron Man mythos in the comics, but in the 2008 movie the Ten Rings comes across as your run-of-the-mill criminal/terrorist organization (à la al-Qaeda) since they were just paid by Obediah Stane to capture and kill Iron Man in exchange for an under-the-table weapons deal. They're the hyenas to Stane's Scar; nothing really personal going on beforehand. Trying to force a relationship that doesn't seem to have existed in this story seems a bit ham-fisted, no?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I also want Trevor to return. You could see him in some Dungeon somewhere lol

 

[Mad Ones]

Holy crap Simu Liu is so lovable.

 

[Lencho01]

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Do you think there will be an Iron Fist easter egg?

 

[Dark Raven]

Anyone think they'll shoot 3 different language versions of this film? One in English, one in Mandarin and one in Cantonese? Or at least 2 language versions?

Having it in Mandarin would appeal directly to Chinese audiences in mainland China. Now of course, in Hong Kong, they speak Cantonese and don't understand Mandarin. They could always dub it into Cantonese or have Cantonese subtitles, which is what often happens for martial arts films anyway. But if they wanted to be more inclusive, they could have a Cantonese version.

It would also be cool to even see a Mandarin/ Cantonese version with English subtitles, as is often done for some of the Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan films rather than the English dubbing.

Now one could argue that they've never done this for any other Marvel film, so what makes this one special? Well, this is different because it is directly targeting Chinese audiences, and so it would make sense to shoot a version where you can see Chinese characters speaking in their native language.

It's not like it's a whole different film. They just need to shoot some of the speaking scenes twice, which is the same as doing more than one take.

Also having more than one version could double ticket sales and Blu-Ray sales.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Read an article that there is little bit of backlash in china over Tony Leung playing a character named the Mandarin...hope this doesn't get blown up.

Hopefully it is handled gracefully in the film.

 

[Dark Raven]

Read an article that there is little bit of backlash in china over Tony Leung playing a character named the Mandarin...hope this doesn't get blown up.

Hopefully it is handled gracefully in the film.

Well some of them are getting their knickers in a twist because they think he's named after their language and don't understand the source material. That's why they're even wrongly questioning whether there will next be a villain named "China".

But the Mandarin is not named after the Mandarin dialect. If they think that, then modern Chinese clearly don't know that "Mandarin" can refer to different things. The supervillain takes his name from a high-ranking bureaucrat or government official called a "Mandarin".

 

[Pink Ranger]

This reminds me of all the anger in the United Kingdom over Johnny English and English Bob. Oh wait, that never happened.

 

[Silvermoth]

Can’t wait to see Shang Chi stuff in Disneyland. It’s a shame, I’m going to Hong Kong Disneyland in December. Probably was too early for Shang Chi stuff to appear

 

[metaphysician]

That's not true at all. Shang Chi is so good he is even training Spider-Man.

. . .and? Why would that matter, given that Spider-man is in neither Iron Man nor Mandarin's weight class?

 

[metaphysician]

In the early Iron Man comics, Mandarin didn't just point and shoot. He was meant to be a master of Karate (yes, that rather than Kung Fu) as it was still considered mysterious and somewhat unknown and mystical. So he ended up doing a lot of physical fighting against Shellhead and claimed he could crack open his armour with one punch.

So I can see that Shang Chi might go up against him physically. If he were completely mystical, then only someone like Dr Strange, Wong or Scarlet Witch could take him on.

Problem with this is, assuming he is similar to the comics, than Shang-Chi will be completely outmatched, as while Shang-Chi is good enough tto get into punching matches with Spider-man, the Mandarin is good enough to get into punching matches with *Iron Man*. And generally destroyed him at that point. Its still a poor fit, unless you *seriously* nerf Mandarin ( or just have him be flat out INO ).

Fundamentally, the issue is that Shang-Chi is street level, while the Mandarin is very, very not.

 

[Fallen]

Lol.

 

[Binary10]

Problem with this is, assuming he is similar to the comics, than Shang-Chi will be completely outmatched, as while Shang-Chi is good enough tto get into punching matches with Spider-man, the Mandarin is good enough to get into punching matches with *Iron Man*. And generally destroyed him at that point. Its still a poor fit, unless you *seriously* nerf Mandarin ( or just have him be flat out INO ).

Fundamentally, the issue is that Shang-Chi is street level, while the Mandarin is very, very not.

I think they should just give shang chi his clone powers, because that could help make his action scenes stand out, and I think that the Shang chi character in the mcu will be more powerful in comparison to his comic version.

 

[Silvermoth]

Lol.

Pretty much how I plan to watch Shang Chi too

 

[2002SpideyFan]

The MCU sure has the luxury that no other franchise has: they can retcon their own BS whenever they feel so. They first set up Mandarin as the big bad of the MCU, then they backtrack on that and turn him into a joke. They washed their hands on that character and went onto others. Now they bring him back because they need a villain for their newcoming superhero and the only reason they brought him back is because Shang-Chi needs a powerful villain to fight who would also be of the same cultural origin as him, and they remembered that the villain they already could do in 2013 fits into that mold. So what, now they ignore what they established in Iron Man 3, where it was confirmed by its director in various interviews and on the commentary track for the movie: there is no Mandarin in the MCU; he's a made-up character. Other franchises don't have that luxury. You do it once and you're done. Sam Raimi never got the second chance after Spider-Man 3 failed in his eyes and eyes of thousands other people. Gavin Hood still can't find a decent job in Hollywood after X-Men Origins, and fans still give him **** for Borackapool. Zack Snyder? The guy had to leave Twitter forever because people were harassing him 24/4 because they did not like the DCEU. The MCU, though? They can just retcon any mistake in their next movie. They do second guesses and contradict their own stories. They get rid of Jane Foster in a throaway line in Thor Ragnarok because nobody, not even the actress playing her, care for that character. Now they bring her back and try to make her more interesting by making her Lady Thor? Pick one side and stick to it, Feige. I guarantee you, if that editing mistake in The Dark Knight Rises, where the guy falls down on the ground before being hit, was in an MCU movie, the MCU would down the line have a scene in one of their movies where they explain that they guy fell down for a reason and it was in fact always planned by Feige to expand upon that.

I'm done.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think they should just give shang chi his clone powers, because that could help make his action scenes stand out, and I think that the Shang chi character in the mcu will be more powerful in comparison to his comic version.

Nope. As I said in another thread, if he can pull that out of the bag each time, then he's never in any kind of danger. The fun of these old Bruce Lee movies was him going up against whole armies of people and taking them down all on his own. If there were multiple versions of him, then the stakes are lowered.

I'd rather have Shang Chi outnumbered and outmatched and having to fight his way out of there through sheer martial arts skill alone than relying on doubles.

Watch these two scenes from Enter the Dragon and imagine all the freed prisoners in black in the 2nd one are clones of Bruce Lee:





The fight which stands out more is the first one where Bruce Lee takes on Han's army all on his own and beats them all.

The 2nd one would not be as impressive and also looks more of a confusion of lots of people fighting all at once where it has to keep cutting back and forth between different people and scenes. Even at the start of it when it's just Bruce Lee and John Saxon on their own taking on the army, the stakes are higher and it's more exciting.

It always looks better when it's the single person going up against the army and still winning than an army against an army.

 

[Binary10]

Nope. As I said in another thread, if he can pull that out of the bag each time, then he's never in any kind of danger. The fun of these old Bruce Lee movies was him going up against whole armies of people and taking them down all on his own. If there were multiple versions of him, then the stakes are lowered.

I'd rather have Shang Chi outnumbered and outmatched and having to fight his way out of there through sheer martial arts skill alone than relying on doubles.

Watch these two scenes from Enter the Dragon and imagine all the freed prisoners in black in the 2nd one are clones of Bruce Lee:





The fight which stands out more is the first one where Bruce Lee takes on Han's army all on his own and beats them all.

The 2nd one would not be as impressive and also looks more of a confusion of lots of people fighting all at once where it has to keep cutting back and forth between different people and scenes. Even at the start of it when it's just Bruce Lee and John Saxon on their own taking on the army, the stakes are higher and it's more exciting.

It always looks better when it's the single person going up against the army and still winning than an army against an army.

the two clips you showed were good, so why not have both? you can have shang chi fight multiple people at the same time, and that itself can lead to some epic out numbered action. But you can also have him create clones of him fighting multiple people Army vs army. And if his fighting the Mandarin, and from what I know the mandarin is pretty powerful.

I think it would make more sense for him to have some form of powers, like his clone duplication. Imagine some Naruto type of action but with shang chi a more skilled hand to hand marital artist. And instead of shang chi creating 100 of 100 of clones maybe he can only make 5 or 10. So 10 shang chi vs 30 or 40 people, and despite shang chi clone powers it was still to much for him.

His clone powers also allow the potential of exploring other aspects of shang chi personality. Maybe each clone he makes that isn't an exact copy might have an heighten personality trait, maybe one is more angry, maybe one is more happy/cocky maybe one is more sad.

it can lead to a different style of comedy that hasn't been done in the mcu. Where we fully see all aspects of shang chi personality, at the end of the day I think you can still have stakes and create amazing action with him still being able to clone himself.

Imagine the hallway fight in raid but with 3 shang chi back up against so many enemies, at the end of the if they don't give him clone powers or any powers at all ill be completely fine, if they give him powers then great if they don't then it is what it is that's my stance on it.