The Flash Shantal VanSanten IS Patty Spivot

[Guard82]

I hope she'll at least make guest appearances occasionally even if her relationship with Barry is over. I really like her character and I'd hate for this to be the last we see of her.

 

[iamjoeking]

At least we got to see Barry happy for once.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Well since the showrunners are tweeting in the past tense of Shantel being on, this is clearly it. I haven't heard of her returning yet.

 

[cheungcheung]

She's not gone.

 

[herolee10]

She's not gone.

 

[Frodo]

My barista last night actually looked quite a bit like Shantal VanSanten. Guess she was reading the hype.Lol.

 

[herolee10]

I had hoped that they would pull a last minute swerve and have her stay. I was wrong. I feel like tonight's episode made her departure even more bittersweet and depressing.

 

[Frodo]

Felt Barry was still being jerky with her , and given how the last scene went , I still don't see why he couldn't have just told her the truth earlier. Oh well, what's done is done.

 

[herolee10]

Just from visual appearances alone, how can ANYONE be so dumb to give up being a woman like this?lol

 

[Reaver027]

Sad to see her go. She was the last up beat character on the show. Now everyone is depressed.

And yeah if you got a woman that is the peferct match in character and looks you don't let her go like that. And he got the power to make a long distance relationship work. So she could be what she always wanted to be and they could stay a couple.

 

[Frodo]

It just stunk to see her look so hurt and heartbroken ,and it made me like Barry less. Then again , when comes to the romance angle on all of their shows, these writers seem to do more harm then good, so its not surprising this was a bit of a trainwreck as well.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Failing to see how Barry's the bad guy. Been in his shoes before. I just couldn't be with shorty cause she drove me insane. I was in love though. Probably still am. But I stopped ****ing with her because she was bad for me.

Barry's reasons may not be particularly 'good enough' for other people, but they were good enough for him. He just couldn't **** with her no more and I get that. He's not the bad guy. Just wasn't meant to be.

 

[SpideyVille]

That's .... not even what the issue was.

Barry felt it was better to breakup to protect her from Zoom, or any other villian, which we've all seen is the route they go when they either want to keep two characters apart so that they can add some drama, or in this case, break them up completely so they can start focusing on Barry/Iris without trying to make either character look bad for leaving.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

That's .... not even what the issue was.

Barry felt it was better to breakup to protect her from Zoom, or any other villian, which we've all seen is the route they go when they either want to keep two characters apart so that they can add some drama, or in this case, break them up completely so they can start focusing on Barry/Iris without trying to make either character look bad for leaving.

I know this. My point was Barry had his reasons, which you pointed out for me, and whether we agree with them or not it doesn't make him the bad guy. Now if he was cheating or some how found out that Iris was 'available' then there's room to be mad at the character.

 

[Avenging Angel]

They can't focus on Barry and Iris. The actors have no romantic chemistry. Barry should be single for now.

 

[Frodo]

Well for me its not a question of someone being a bad guy. Yeah, he has his reasons. Doesn't mean we're obligated to like them or dislike them, but that really depends on one's point of view.

To be fair, Barry wasn't the one to break up with her. He was going back and forth with her on the whole telling the truth thing which is the main reason she broke up with him to begin with. So that part is on him for being indecisive and being much more sensitive to the idea that she was clearly hurt. He really shouldn't have been that surprised and moody that she would break up with him because he brought it on himself. He came off like a jerk for me. If he didn't to other people, then fine, I can only speak for how I reacted to it.

On the other hand, She then came back to him and was trying to give him once last chance to save the relationship even though she suddenly told him she was leaving town , so then she looked like she called his bluff and it didn't work out so she started going back and forth. That seemed pretty weak given the last episode in which she basically said "i'm moving on".

 

[Guard82]

I'm glad they at least had Patty figure out Barry's secret on her own. Her being out of the loop was pretty pointless to begin with, and it was even more ridiculous considering the fact that Patty was portrayed as a capable police detective. I was glad this week's episode showed how smart she actually is. It's still disappointing to see her go, but at least her exit was handled a bit better in this week's episode than it was being handled in last week's episode.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Sad to see her go. She was the last up beat character on the show. Now everyone is depressed.

And yeah if you got a woman that is the peferct match in character and looks you don't let her go like that. And he got the power to make a long distance relationship work. So she could be what she always wanted to be and they could stay a couple.

Seriously. It's like Barry is immune to logic or something.

And the whole "I can't let anyone get close to me because my enemies will use it against me" thing doesn't really work when you consider that he tries to lock up ALL of his enemies in that particle accelerator jail, meaning that they all become very familiar with Cisco, Caitlyn, Wells, even Joe. Newsflash Barry, your enemies can use your relationships with THOSE people against you too. There's no rule in the villain handbook that says "ONLY GO AFTER PEOPLE THE HERO IS SLEEPING WITH."

 

[herolee10]

This is one of those cases where the person that the hero lets get away from him is actually a PERFECT catch for the hero. Out of all of the women that Barry could have let go in his life for whatever dumb or tragic reasons, this shouldn't have been one of them.

If the show had portrayed Patty as an unlikable person like how Iris was shown back in the second half of Season 1, then it wouldn't feel bad at all. But Patty was pretty much almost perfect for Barry.

She's attractive, possesses intelligence, selfless, caring, and has such a huge amount of patience. If anything, given on how Barry was acting as of late, she was too good for him.

 

[SpideyVille]

What I find worse is last season, Oliver told Barry they never get the girl, but then Oliver comes along this season and Barry asks him, and he sees how Oliver is able to have both. You would think that that inspires him to keep Patty around.

With that said, I understand why, it's a cliche that's done to death, but I feel like we didn't really see enough struggle on Barry's end. It's like, he just accepted it and didn't care about her feelings no matter who it was that confronted. They started to set it up at the start of the last episode, but it felt like something was missing this episode from Barry, and I kinda think it was because they was so much going on.

 

[Mysteryman]

Sorry to see Patty go, but I have no doubt that we will see her again.

 

[DCnightwing23]

This is backwards. I don't understand how you have Iris know of his identity, and have Cisco literally on the first date with HawkGirl (don't care for her actual first name) be "forced" to tell her about Team Flash AND Team Arrow, yet Barry feels like he still can't tell Patty. Really ridiculous imo. The actress brought something different to the role as well as the show, she was the Gwen Stacy to Barry's Peter. It worked, and I've always been a fan of that relationship in the Spider-man world. Iris has just irked me the way she's been portrayed and written since the beginning and I feel like having a character like Patty come in for Barry was terrific. And to give that character this kind of exit is really weak. It completely makes Barry look like a heartless jerk (he didn't even shed a tear for her, I mean come on) She's a damn good detective and has shown that she can defend herself and be an asset. So to say she would be the ONLY liability out of all the people he's told is a slap in the face to the character they've built so far (credit to them for doing that in such a short amount of time) Idk. Definitely disappointed with the writing for this, and felt this was not necessary at all.

 

[Rowsdower!]

This is one of those cases where the person that the hero lets get away from him is actually a PERFECT catch for the hero. Out of all of the women that Barry could have let go in his life for whatever dumb or tragic reasons, this shouldn't have been one of them.

If the show had portrayed Patty as an unlikable person like how Iris was shown back in the second half of Season 1, then it wouldn't feel bad at all. But Patty was pretty much almost perfect for Barry.

She's attractive, possesses intelligence, selfless, caring, and has such a huge amount of patience. If anything, given on how Barry was acting as of late, she was too good for him.

Yeah. And this idea of "I have to stay away from you to protect you" is so dumb when you consider that she's a COP who was on the METAHUMAN task force. She willingly puts herself in danger, so Barry's fears over this are even more ridiculous. But whatever; as usual, every love interest is just a placeholder until Barry ends up with Iris, 8 seasons from now.

 

[Avenging Angel]

This is backwards. I don't understand how you have Iris know of his identity, and have Cisco literally on the first date with HawkGirl (don't care for her actual first name) be "forced" to tell her about Team Flash AND Team Arrow, yet Barry feels like he still can't tell Patty. Really ridiculous imo. The actress brought something different to the role as well as the show, she was the Gwen Stacy to Barry's Peter. It worked, and I've always been a fan of that relationship in the Spider-man world. Iris has just irked me the way she's been portrayed and written since the beginning and I feel like having a character like Patty come in for Barry was terrific. And to give that character this kind of exit is really weak. It completely makes Barry look like a heartless jerk (he didn't even shed a tear for her, I mean come on) She's a damn good detective and has shown that she can defend herself and be an asset. So to say she would be the ONLY liability out of all the people he's told is a slap in the face to the character they've built so far (credit to them for doing that in such a short amount of time) Idk. Definitely disappointed with the writing for this, and felt this was not necessary at all.

At least Patty is written with a brain, something Iris just lacks. There's still no official word that she'll be back. She kind of had a Felicity-esq farewell, who knows? I liked her with Barry. The writers never gave her enough time to develop right. Gwen Stacey comparison is spot on! It seemed kind of anti climatic to exit like that. The actress and the character deserved better.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Patty Started off great as a character however when her and Barry became serious and his job as The Flash begun to interfere with their relationship I feel she kinda took a nose dive in the way her character when from this strong woman to a girl that was needy and kinda selfish ala lana lang smallville. Which hurt because I liked Patty but she just disintegrated as a character towards the end of her run.