Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 1

[Stevie2020]

but it's funny, in Chris and Scarlett's previous roles together, they've been accused of having very little chemistry, Marvel probably didn't think it would be an issue

They previously acted together in movies that weren't that great and the Nanny Diaries required them to have romantic chemistry to boot. They have better chemistry as comrades.

Those characters would never be a love match. Maybe a FWB match, but that would not be the Disney/Marvel way.

 

[RedRose]

The simple fact is that if Staron is going to happen, EVC needs to deliver a degree of chemistry with Chris Evans that is equally/more compelling as what he had with Hayley and Scarlett. It will be weird if Cap has better chemistry with a friend (Nat) than his girlfriend (Sharon).

Hayley and Chris created an amazing bond between their characters in TFA which was great to watch. Chris & Scarlett have been hired together by other directors so I think it was naive of Marvel to put these two flirting in TWS and not expect people to like their chemistry.

A well-written romance with actors with genuine chemistry can be great though (Pepperony & Steggy).

Well I would argue Hawkeye has more chemistry with Natasha than Laura and they went there so maybe it doesn't matter about chemistry in the end :P

 

[TalismanRing]

but it's funny, in Chris and Scarlett's previous roles together, they've been accused of having very little chemistry, Marvel probably didn't think it would be an issue

They were poor to mediocre films which didn't give them a lot to work with but I think they did have chemistry even in the one where they weren't a couple. The one where they were romantic was a subplot to the main story but they were adorable together.

From several interviews they gave Chris and Scarlett were also playing with the attraction in TWS even if the Russos didn't want to go in that direction. Just like Mackie was playing with Sam's attraction to BW even though it's not really on the page. Or Chris and Mackie playing out their scene like a romantic comedy "meet cute". Really good actors can provide subtext and layers for material that the writers or even directors didn't intend.

 

[Stevie2020]

They were poor to mediocre films which didn't give them a lot to work with but I think they did have chemistry even in the one where they weren't a couple.

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Precious.

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[Rote]

Right, but according to you, they hired her, somehow being fooled by her audition and past performances, and then had to shoot some scenes with her where she turned out to be terrible.



Except Sam's role hinged on him being an outsider, with no relationship to SHIELD. Unless they changed her to not being a SHIELD agent, they couldn't have done that.



Because the Black Widow lobby is still beating their chests over the injustice of not having a six part Black Widow series, two seasons of Netflix already. So they'll be pandered to, again.

They hired her because of Revenge, even Russos themselves said it.

Sam's role was that role, because they needed Sam, not because they needed to fill that role with somebody. I can't see, why we couldn't get both BW and Sharon, especially is they are developing Staron. Anyway, friendship needs far less development, than love story. We get BW-Sam-Bucky. All of them have huge roles. If she gets prominent role here,like Sam's, then I agree with you. But it doesn't seem like that so far. And it's the last Cap's solo film. Are they seriously going to make her the member of the Avengers to fit for a decent time in the IW?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I find it amusing that Scarjo was open to a relationship between Widow and Steve in interviews, and the Russos toyed with the idea of a relationship, and the movie had them kissing for weak reasons, and there was overall so much romance-codified bait that EW published a piece on how they should bang.

And at the same time people praise the Russos for supposedly not including a romance.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

They hired her because of Revenge, even Russos themselves said it.

They say they hired her because they like what she does on Revenge. Not because she happens to be the star of Revenge, an ABC show.

Sam's role was that role, because they needed Sam, not because they needed to fill that role with somebody. I can't see, why we couldn't get both BW and Sharon, especially is they are developing Staron.

Because Sharon's role was that of an unpowered but skilled SHIELD agent who works with Steve and clashes due to his idealism and her pragmatism, which they ended up giving to Black Widow since the only different thing she offers is that she slept with Bucky.

 

[Rote]

They say they hired her because they like what she does on Revenge. Not because she happens to be the star of Revenge, an ABC show.

Pfffff, of course, they wouldn't say it out loud. Learn to read subtext. Not like it's 100% the case, but very likely.

Because Sharon's role was that of an unpowered but skilled SHIELD agent who works with Steve and clashes due to his idealism and her pragmatism, which they ended up giving to Black Widow since the only different thing she offers is that she slept with Bucky.

And so what's in the perspective? They could give her another role, another personality, because they couldn't seriously planned to make BW and Sharon's characters similar in the future films. That's why she's so boring, and going to be again, because all EVC could say is "they have the similar moral compasses" - basically the same thing, she talked before TWS. No conflict, nothing interesting.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Pfffff, of course, they wouldn't say it out loud. Learn to read subtext. Not like it's 100% the case, but very likely.

If by subtext you mean your own delusions...

And so what's in the perspective? They could give her another role, another personality, because they couldn't seriously planned to make BW and Sharon's characters similar in the future films. That's why she's so boring, and going to be again, because all EVC could say is "they have the similar moral compasses" - basically the same thing, she talked before TWS. No conflict, nothing interesting.

Didn't you already say that they reassigned Sharon's role for Black Widow?

 

[Voltron]

Well, that was more than a year ago, I didn't write it down, but I remember extra saying, that she couldn't do right the simple scene, needed very great amount of takes and whispered her way through perfomance.

If that was a year ago then the extra was from TWS. Do you have any CW extra gossip?

Exactly. You DO understand, that they already have a rough cut of the movie? Some people (James Gunn confirmed it) have already seen it. And yet, so far they showed very little interest in her. That means, that her role didn't impress them. Do you expect them to suddenly begin to like her in the middle of post-production?

Well I haven't heard anything that showed interests for Ross, Bilbo, and Zemo too.

Again: MCU has gone very far from the comics long time ago, so I can't blame them. I can blame only MCU for such lazy approach with Steve's love life after defrosting. And love is not measured in the quantity of kisses. It's about feelings, and Steve and Peggy actually have a romance of a great scale in the MCU.

It's all subjective. I mean why do you think there are also Stucky and Stony shippers? I too like Steggy. But I'm also intrigued to see how Staron plays out, to see the way Cap falls for Sharon and to see how it differs to how he fell for Peggy. Will it be organic or forced?

Well, to be fair, he didn't deny it, he said it's their interpretation. t:
Not like they could say anything else, it's a mainstream movie, what a fool would expect them to actually say, that Cap is gay or bisexual

He did deny it. He said their rel'ship is brotherly, BUT people can interpret it anyway they want since no one's going to stop their own thoughts.

Anyway, AGAIN, love is not about sex. They are not romantically involved, and so what? Love is about love and Bucky will always be Steve's "before anyone else". From the Evans' interview in Chinese Modern Weekly: And from EW: Steve's words from TWS: "It's hard to find someone with shared life experience". And this will always be the reason. If Bucky were a woman, this would be the greatest love story of the MCU. It IS a love story, just not about romantic love.

Of course there's different types of love, not just romantic.

MCU's Sharon obviously will never be the most important person in Steve's life, romantic or not. Maybe she will be the third. After Nat/Steve.

And you're entitled to your subjective opinion. t:

OMG, "of the most", not like they said there are only two endearing scenes in the movie. And I'm sure, other will be Stucky, because they already said multiple times, that SteveBucky relationship is the heart of the movie.
It is high time to understand that Russos are far more invested in Steve/Nat than Staron, no matter which is platonic and which is romantic. Chemistry is just right there.

Well that is what most means or else russo would've said "only". Yeah I agree that the Russos are more invested in Steve/Nat's PLATONIC rel'ship and that they got Nat to mainly usurp Sharon's comic role in the MCU since BW wasn't given her own movie.

 

[Voltron]

but it's funny, in Chris and Scarlett's previous roles together, they've been accused of having very little chemistry, Marvel probably didn't think it would be an issue

Yeah like in the Nanny Diaries where it looked like brother and sister were trying to date each other.

Well I would argue Hawkeye has more chemistry with Natasha than Laura and they went there so maybe it doesn't matter about chemistry in the end :P

Agreed. Nat had romantic sexual chemistry with Hawkeye. This natural romantic chemistry was so evident in ScaJo's and Jeremy's TA interviews.

 

[MbJ]

Surprisingly, Sharon is featured in the Lego kit for the airport battle.

 

[Voltron]

I'm pleasantly surprised that it's Agent 13, I initially thought it looked like BW. Aww she's firing at IM to help out Cap.

 

[RedRose]

Agreed. Nat had romantic sexual chemistry with Hawkeye. This natural romantic chemistry was so evident in ScaJo's and Jeremy's TA interviews.

Absolutely. I'm still shocked Marvel didn't pick that up and run with it- although maybe they still will.

 

[RedRose]

Well Joe Russo said it himself it's platonic. http://3g.163.com/ntes/special/0034...st=4&plg_usr=1&plg_vkey=1&spss=newsapp&spsw=1 And for you ladies (& gents), Joe also said that Cap gets wet submerged in water t: (and that Evans got an eye infection).

For you Stucky shippers Joe said that Cap/TWS are brothers and not lovers, but the audience can interpret their relationship anyway they want.

Also the Cap/Nat bond in TWS will continue in CW and IW so Nat/Cap won't die in CW. Joe said that their relationship is pivotal and they share two of the most endearing scenes to him in CW cmad: couldn't they give at least one endearing Staron scene too). Looks like they gave Nat Sharon's role in the comics again, TWS and now CW. Funny I thought Bucky/Steve would be given the most endearing scene/s.

When/where is this interview from???

 

[Voltron]

When/where is this interview from???

China visit, I think it's recent because the Russos mentioned Tom Holland as Spiderman. Yeah I'm disappointed that the Russos gave Sharon's role in the comics to Nat and they replaced Clint with Cap as Nat's "work-hubby".

Yeah I could only watch the interview once because it was painstakingly tedious waiting for all the translating in between.

 

[Mike5575]

China visit, I think it's recent because the Russos mentioned Tom Holland as Spiderman. Yeah I'm disappointed that the Russos gave Sharon's role in the comics to Nat and they replaced Clint with Cap as Nat's "work-hubby".

Yeah I could only watch the interview once because it was painstakingly tedious waiting for all the translating in between.

Well, that's some bs, if true. What's the point of even having Sharon Carter in the movie, then?

 

[Stevie2020]

China visit, I think it's recent because the Russos mentioned Tom Holland as Spiderman. Yeah I'm disappointed that the Russos gave Sharon's role in the comics to Nat and they replaced Clint with Cap as Nat's "work-hubby".

Well, if it helps, they haven't given her the role of his lover. Yet. I guess they want to keep that nice and separate.

 

[Rote]

Didn't you already say that they reassigned Sharon's role for Black Widow?

Yes. So? I don't see your point.

If that was a year ago then the extra was from TWS. Do you have any CW extra gossip?

I don't need CW's gossips, because, yes, that's only gossip, but IF it's true, then I very much doubt, that EVC suddenly became a good actress after TWS.

Well I haven't heard anything that showed interests for Ross, Bilbo, and Zemo too.

Actually, I remember them talking about Zemo, even though he's kept under wraps. Bilbo has a very small role. But that's not the point. Ross, Bilbo and Zemo are not expected to have significant relationships with Cap at all. They are there purely for plot purposes.

It's all subjective. I mean why do you think there are also Stucky and Stony shippers? I too like Steggy. But I'm also intrigued to see how Staron plays out, to see the way Cap falls for Sharon and to see how it differs to how he fell for Peggy. Will it be organic or forced?

Are you a girl despite your nick-name? Because boys are usually never so obsessed with romances. Heck, I'm a girl, but wouldn't actually care about Cap's love life, his relationships with friends are FAAAAR MORE interesting. BUT this Staron's thing really can screw up his character and make him a Carter's family dog. THAT's what I care about. About this gross.

He did deny it. He said their rel'ship is brotherly, BUT people can interpret it anyway they want since no one's going to stop their own thoughts.

As someone, who've never seen anything homosexual between Cap and Bucky in the movies, who was surprised, that Evans didn't said that Cap loves Bucky AND PEGGY more than anyone (I know what will happen with Peggy in CW, but that's not the reason at all to begin to love her less), I have to admit, that they didn't. They never said: "NO HOMO, go away" or that there is only one right interpretation or that fan's interpretation is wrong. What he actually said is:

For us we’ve always interpreted the relationship as two brothers...
...people have interpreted that relationship all kinds of ways and it’s great, it’s great to see people argue about what that relationship means to them. We will never define it, as filmmakers, explicitly, but you know, however people want to interpret it they’re free to interpret.

But of course, I'm sure, you will always manipulate other's words in your favour, so think, that they denied it, because it's very comfortable thought for you.

And you're entitled to your subjective opinion. t:

Yes, thanks, I'm glad to own it. Especially, when I have a solid basis for this opinion, confirmed by filmmakers and movies.

Well that is what most means or else russo would've said "only". Yeah I agree that the Russos are more invested in Steve/Nat's PLATONIC rel'ship and that they got Nat to mainly usurp Sharon's comic role in the MCU since BW wasn't given her own movie.

I'm not a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure, that there is a difference between "two most endearing scenes" and "two of the most endearing scenes". But you may think, what you want to think about it.

Yeah I'm disappointed that the Russos gave Sharon's role in the comics to Nat and they replaced Clint with Cap as Nat's "work-hubby".

Actually, this is quite funny, because if you love Carter's character because of her personality in the comic-books, not solely because she's Cap's girlfriend, then you should love Widow instead of her in the MCU, who has now Sharon's personality. Yes, these two Sharons have the same name, but it seems like that's pretty much all they have in common. But I guess, all you actually care about is Sharon's love affair with Cap, you don't even care much that Staron makes with Cap as a character, makes him an idiot, who after all these years can't move on from Peggy.

 

[Rote]

Well, that's some bs, if true.

Saw this transcript a couple of days ago. Yes, this is their recent interview

It was very important to us in Captain America: The Winter Soldier that their relationship would be platonic. That was what we thought was interesting, because they care deeply for each other but it’s not a romantic relationship, which would be the expected relationship. We wanted to play against that. But they do care very deeply for each other, I think as much as any two characthers in The Avengers do and I think you’ll see that again in Civil War. His relationship with Natasha is important in the movie and I think two of the most endearing scenes in the film are between Steve and Natasha. And of course, that relationship will cary forward into Infinity War. And, you know, that’s our interpretation of the relationship, that this is a brother and sister or a work-husband work-wife [relationship]. And they have a real respect for each other but hey also, because they are very different, the admire those differences in each other and they find a commonality in them.

 

[Mike5575]

Saw this transcript a couple of days ago. Yes, this is their recent interview

Ok, they are more like brother or sister than lovers. I can calm down, now.

 

[Mike5575]

Are you a girl despite your nick-name? Because boys are usually never so obsessed with romances. Heck, I'm a girl, but wouldn't actually care about Cap's love life, his relationships with friends are FAAAAR MORE interesting. BUT this Staron's thing really can screw up his character and make him a Carter's family dog. THAT's what I care about. About this gross.

I can't speak for Voltron, but I like Sharon. I think she's cute, tough, and loyal to Team Cap. I would like to see more of her. Given her role in the comics and the focus of the movie, seeing her in a relationship with Steve would accomplish the goal of giving her more screen time in the movie.

I'm a guy, but I couldn't care less about Team Stark or Team Cap. I'm on Team ScarletVision all the way. Wanda and Vision are awesome characters, and together they could be unstoppable. It's probably the only ship in the MCU, I'm really interested in. Staron would be nice, though.

Actually, this is quite funny, because if you love Carter's character because of her personality in the comic-books, not solely because she's Cap's girlfriend, then you should love Widow instead of her in the MCU, who has now Sharon's personality. Yes, these two Sharons have the same name, but it seems like that's pretty much all they have in common. But I guess, all you actually care about is Sharon's love affair with Cap, you don't even care much that Staron makes with Cap as a character, makes him an idiot, who after all these years can't move on from Peggy.

Could we please drop the nonsensical argument that female characters are that replaceable?

Sharon may not be a blood relative of Peggy, btw. Chris Evans likes the idea of Cap"keeping it in the family."

 

[Voltron]

I don't need CW's gossips, because, yes, that's only gossip, but IF it's true, then I very much doubt, that EVC suddenly became a good actress after TWS.

Actually she improved with the film The Girl in the Book. And you brought up the gossip in the first place.

Actually, I remember them talking about Zemo, even though he's kept under wraps. Bilbo has a very small role. But that's not the point. Ross, Bilbo and Zemo are not expected to have significant relationships with Cap at all. They are there purely for plot purposes.

Maybe Sharon's role is under wraps.

Are you a girl despite your nick-name? Because boys are usually never so obsessed with romances. Heck, I'm a girl, but wouldn't actually care about Cap's love life, his relationships with friends are FAAAAR MORE interesting. BUT this Staron's thing really can screw up his character and make him a Carter's family dog. THAT's what I care about. About this gross.

Male or female, you do care about Cap's love interest since you keep bringing up your hatred for Staron and Sharon. Aww, but dog's are so cute and loyal.

As someone, who've never seen anything homosexual between Cap and Bucky in the movies, who was surprised, that Evans didn't said that Cap loves Bucky AND PEGGY more than anyone (I know what will happen with Peggy in CW, but that's not the reason at all to begin to love her less), I have to admit, that they didn't. They never said: "NO HOMO, go away" or that there is only one right interpretation or that fan's interpretation is wrong. What he actually said is:
But of course, I'm sure, you will always manipulate other's words in your favour, so think, that they denied it, because it's very comfortable thought for you.

Like how you're manipulating their words now?

Yes, thanks, I'm glad to own it. Especially, when I have a solid basis for this opinion, confirmed by filmmakers and movies.

You're welcome.

I'm not a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure, that there is a difference between "two most endearing scenes" and "two of the most endearing scenes". But you may think, what you want to think about it.

Well will find out when we see the movie.

Actually, this is quite funny, because if you love Carter's character because of her personality in the comic-books, not solely because she's Cap's girlfriend, then you should love Widow instead of her in the MCU, who has now Sharon's personality. Yes, these two Sharons have the same name, but it seems like that's pretty much all they have in common. But I guess, all you actually care about is Sharon's love affair with Cap, you don't even care much that Staron makes with Cap as a character, makes him an idiot, who after all these years can't move on from Peggy.

Hell no. MCU Nat does not possess comics Sharon's personality, she possesses comics Sharon's role except the lover part. MCU Nat doesn't even possess comics Nat's personality, SJo's doing her own version/interpretation. Comics Nat is slick, Russian, and femme fatale, not wooden and subdued in a way. Comics Sharon is more fiery, ballsy, and passionate; EVC demonstrated a little of these in TWS when she questioned that bald-headed agent and when she stood up to Brock to defend that tech guy. EVC in an interview said she has taken ideas from the different comics and incorporated it into her own MCU Sharon version.

Actually I care about Sharon and Staron. People can act like idiots when they're in love t:. Well he asked Sharon out for coffee which indicates he's moving on, 2 years after he got defrosted and left Peggy, hardly "years".

 

[Voltron]

Well, that's some bs, if true. What's the point of even having Sharon Carter in the movie, then?

Well, if it helps, they haven't given her the role of his lover. Yet. I guess they want to keep that nice and separate.

I don't want Sharon just to be Cap's lover. But from what EVC said in the interview it indicates that they'll be working together in some capacity which will help them get to know each other and get closer t:.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yes. So? I don't see your point.

My point is make up your mind.