I think, he asked some girls for a date, but didn't hooked up with them, because he old-fashioned. And he said to Natasha that it's hard to find someone with shared life experience, so nobody special.Is Steve really still a virgin? I mean in TWS he told Natasha that he had practice in the 21th century. Maybe he meant the kissing but come on he is freaking Captain America and he isn't getting laid ever ?
They had plans and so what? Staron now is ruined by all points I've mentioned. And Steve said to Stark that now he don't want a family. Not particularly with Peggy, but in common. And the thing is, he seems content with that, he says that he's home here, on the avengers base. Sharon must do something really special to overcome this in already the next film, and there is no time for that, no time even for decent attraction, because Steve'll have so much problems with CW and Bucky's recovering.Now you could argue that Peggy's popularity changed their plans, but the point remains. M&M clearly had plans, plans they've reiterated after TFA and after TWS.
Steve's vision is canon? Fine. Steve can't imagine life without war, can't imagine life with Peggy.
But Steve can move past that? People get suicidal and then find reasons to live, they go down destructive paths and then get their life together.
And yes, it might be with Sharon, when Peggy wouldn't do.
Perhaps the man who went into the ice would have been happy with Peggy and the man that came out wouldn't, and perhaps that man would be happy with Sharon.
THey did such a bang up job that people kept talking about how they should totally hook up, including Scarjo being apparently amenable to the idea, and a write-up by Entertainment Weekly.
I mean, sure. That's nothing new. Lots of movies don't have love stories. Take Lawrence of Arabia, for instance. GREAT MOVIE, doesn't have a love story.
It doesn't have any speaking women, either. Perhaps all the females should just beat it, then.
Didn't see why? Why do people ask other people out? Cos they fancy them and Cap fancied her and to show that he's trying to move on.Cap asking Sharon out - we didn't even see why. He could ask anybody just like that, there is no building, there is no chemistry, and after that he discovers she was spying on him and forgets about her until Natasha has to recall. It's like: "Oh, Cap, you're 95 years old virgin, it's time for you to hook up with somebody already!" That's what you do when you want your audience to get invested in ship, oh yeah.
M&M teased her future role in the commentary.Clint was never an option from Whedon, he said from the start, that he wanted to show, that man and woman could be close friends without sex.
And Sharon's role was initially noname agent. And tws audio commentary... Didn't remember anything particulary interesting from there about Staron aside from stating the obvious.
It was established Cap fancied Sharon, asked her out without knowing her connection to Peggy. If Steve wasn't interested in Sharon that much then why did he ask her out in the first place? Seems *****ie of him to ask her out if he wasn't interested that much. Staron being a mess remains to be seen.And no matter had or had not Steve sex with Peggy, that's not the point. The point is, it will look like he's dating Sharon because he can't let go of Peggy as they are related. And want you or not, Steve's arc in Ultron is now canon, you can't ignore it: Steve wasn't interested in Sharon that much, you can make different excuses, but it's what it is: Peggy alone was in his head. When people really want to get together, they never act like that. That's why Staron will be mess and boring as hell.
Yeah, Cap should just not move on from dead Peggy and mourn her for the next 50 years until he dies himself.TWS showed us that you can have good movie without unnecesary love plot. And this is part that made tws so good. But apparently for marvel it's too much, they need to shove romance in our noses no matter what (yes, Brutasha, Scott and Hope, Thor and Jane I'm looking at you)
Then why are they planning on two potential love interests for Peggy in season 2 as per Hayley? Yeah no time like in TFA when they build up Steggy?!ps. And also it's very interesting how M&M, such invested in Staron, continued to push Steggy in Agent Carter. And not only on Peggy's side. One Cap's film is far too not enough to make up for all that, there is just no time. And there won't be after that because of IW.
And audience don't have to think that Steve can't move on from Peggy at all, because he discovers that they are related and ONLY THEN begins to date her. It's been the whole year past since he'd met Sharon, and he's not interested, he dreams about Peggy alone. I'm not gonna repeat it again. Wishful thinking is a comfort, yeah, I understand that, sometimes it's so tempting to la-la-la through the canon and pretend that's never happened.It was established Cap fancied Sharon, asked her out without knowing her connection to Peggy.
Okay, I'd like to know, what exactly did they say, because I remember the note: "Natasha is trying to push Steve towards Sharon". Telling again, yeah. Trying to push because she wants to distract Steve from pulling "on that thread". That's how it looks, like something very negligible. And right after that all Steve's attention is on Bucky's file. Sometimes I think they do it on purpose: even if you try, you couldn't deliberately make intro to romance to be more blunt.M&M teased her future role in the commentary.
They had plans and so what?
And Steve said to Stark that now he don't want a family. Not particularly with Peggy, but in common.
And woman like a man can be independent character, self-contained, no need to show her as merely love interest. I'm glad that at least Russos understand that.
I don't care, whose fault it is. Damage is done. And if Natasha in this film will be with some other guy, then I'd say the same: Brutasha is done, it's late to set up BW with somebody so soon.So they're not beholding to Whedon's vision. They'd already wanted to use Sharon, so its Whedon's fault for screwing with their plans.
So it's canon, they can work around it. I'm guessing you won't fault them for not being beholding to Brutasha, will you?
People can heal, but not in one film, then they're confident and content with their state, that even don't see much problem in that. And I very much doubt that they will bring up the same theme in new movie, that would be backtracking. And yes, as I said, the main point is:As I said, people can heal. Also, a girlfriend? Not quite a nuclear family.
I suppose Bucky will have to fend for himself, since Steve has no room for brother figures.
Kiss was for disguise and she'd never seriously flirted with him more than other guys with her usual manner. It's like we've seen different movies.But she has to contrive away to kiss him and flirt with him, apparently.
I don't care, whose fault it is. Damage is done. And if Natasha in this film will be with some other guy, then I'd say the same: Brutasha is done, it's late to set up BW with somebody so soon.
People can heal, but not in one film, then they're confident and content with their state, that even don't see much problem in that. And I very much doubt that they will bring up the same theme in new movie, that would be backtracking. And yes, as I said, the main point is:
And audience don't have to think that Steve can't move on from Peggy at all, because he discovers that they are related and ONLY THEN begins to date her.
Or he finds out they're related, then gets to know her and finds out he'd like to date her?
It won't be one film, though. A year will have passed. And hell, Steve became best friends with Sam in the space of 70 hours. Come on.
And what? Bucky's far too important person for Steve to leave him cope himself. And for what, for some new girl? That'd be out of the character for Steve completely. I don't know about what room you're speaking.
But he's rejecting family! You said so yourself!
Kiss was for disguise and she'd never seriously flirted with him more than other guys with her usual manner. It's like we've seen different movies.
Yeaaah, that might be the Watsonian explanation. The Doylian one involves a bit of titilation.
Subconscious can make him like her to date, because she's related with Peggy. That's how it'll be read by the audience, you may agree or not. + Why Staron has to be at all? Because comics? MCU have gone too far away from them long ago. And why she has to be Carter, not just Sharon? Why to bring it at all? It's a an elephant in the room. You are making excuses, but there is no reason, why Staron'd be great aside from your personal and M&M desire. But there is ton's reasons why it's screwed up. I don't want to repeat again.Or he finds out they're related, then gets to know her and finds out he'd like to date her?
He's Steve's side-kick, who as him can't live without a fight. That's all. It's Falcon who again and again coming after Steve, not the other way around, Natasha and Steve said so themselves, that they've come to him, because had no options otherwise. But his desire to help him with bucky's case was odd, I admit.Steve became best friends with Sam in the space of 70 hours. Come on.
Bucky wasn't in Steve's vision, he didn't call him to go home with Peggy, now you clearly inventing nonexistent reasons to justify Staron. Again, Steve said himself, that Avengers base is his home and that he will miss Tony. So, his comrades-in-arms is his new family, it's obvious.But he's rejecting family! You said so yourself!
OMG, ok, if it was done before, so it means that it's ok to continue doing it?
I was just explaing, why Staron stinks. And one can always find excuses.
Subconscious can make him like her to date, because she's related with Peggy. That's how it'll be read by the audience, you may agree or not. + Why Staron has to be at all? Because comics? MCU have gone too far away from them long ago. You are making excuses, but there is no reason, why Staron'd be great aside from your personal and M&M desire. But there is ton's reasons why it's screwed up. I don't want to repeat again.
He's Steve's side-kick, who as him can't live without a fight. That's all. It's falcon who again and again coming after Steve, not the other way around. But his desire to help him with bucky's case was odd, I admit.
He wasn't in Steve's vision, now you clearly inventing nonexistent reasons to justify Staron. Again, Steve said himself, that Avengers base is his home and that he will miss Tony. So, his comrades-in-arms is his new family, it's obvious.
Point, where did I say it. I'm just against unnecessary and cliche love subplots, that's all. I was content with Steggy and Pepperony, thank you.Well according to you no movie ever need a romance subplot because CATWS didn't, so by your own logic the answer is yes.
Because comics.
Because comics.
Yeah, I get it. But AGAIN: MCU now is very different from them. You can't apply to them the same rules. MCU is far more mature because in comics there was so much trash like RS in Steve's body, brainwashed Sharon killing Steve (Now, that's what you'd call subconscious love!), Steve restoring Bucky's memories with magic cube and so on.Because comics.
I've explained and not once, why it didn't work in TWS, why Ultron ruined it. I'm not gonna get into another circle, if you don't like my reasons, if you like Staron so much because of comics, you'll never want to see it.All you've explained is that you're overly attached to Steggy. You've done nothing to explain why Sharon is a bad character or why Staron as a dynamic doesn't work. You've just decreed it boring/bad because it doesn't match up to the pedestal you place Peggy on.
All that they can do with every other woman. Hell, all of that he already had with Natasha, even with Bucky, it's not something unusual and it's not enough for big love. Steggy had it and moreover tons of chemistry, which I didn't see in TWS with Sharon whatsoever. There is no spark. And with Sharon they have to build it all, there is nothing there now, aside from loyalty.I like Sharon because she's a spy who loves the job, who would never walk away from it even when Steve demanded it. I like her because she doesn't want a family, just wants to do her job, and is with Steve inspite of that.
I like her dynamic with Steve because she's one of the few people who, through no spite or bitterness, don't worship the ground he walks on, who is willing to call him out when she thinks he is wrong, while also being loyal to him.
Basically I like the relationship because it isn't storybook, and is a cut more mature than most.
Yes, but Steve's ready to be gone, it's Sam who stops him, continues conversation and invites to visit his group.Steve initiates conversation when they meet.
As I said, they came to him, because there was nobody else, whom they could trust. And notice, it wasn't Sharon again!Steve goes to him for help when he doesn't know who to trust.
I gave you proofs for my words, but didn't get it from you. Steve's vision WAS about non-platonic relationship. There was almost kiss as the final point of the dream.No, you're clearly inventing a non-existent correlation between some sort of nuclear family-dream Steve has with any non-platonic relationships.
Again: THERE IS NO TIME for all your points with Sharon. Now she is nobody for him. It's the last Cap's film and she's hardly even in the leading female role.
Hell, all of that he already had with Natasha, even with Bucky, it's not something unusual and it's not enough for big love. Steggy had it and moreover tons of chemistry, which I didn't see in TWS with Sharon whatsoever. There is no spark. And with Sharon they have to build it all, there is nothing there now, aside from loyalty.
Last time, I'm not even Steggy fan
I just see them believable and hot together I have nothing against Steve with somebody else with chemistry and developed relationship. And above there is too much amount of text from me, why I don't see it in Staron's future. And I'm not alone, google for MCU ships: people are not excited with Staron for same reasons. That's all, I don't want to repeat myself anymore. May be I'm not right to come and try to explain it all in place, occupied with Staron fans, yes, I should investigate that before get involved in worthless argument, because comic book fans are comic book fans. I don't know single person, who didn't read comics and is so much invested in Staron only from TWS, and it's telling.
idk, it's pretty amazing people can analyse their chemistry from two 10 second scenes together
If you looked at just Steve and Peggy's first two scenes together (Her overseeing the lineup, him getting the flag down) there wasn't a tremendous amount of overtly sexual chemistry there, either.
and for the record, in Steve and Sharon's two short scenes, I saw plenty of chemistry, but a more wholesome flirtation than people around here look for
it wasn't the "I would rip off your clothes and f*** you right here" chemistry a lot of people seem to prefer
and once again, this thread is making me feel icky
This implies that Cap was using Sharon when he asked her out. This is honourable Captain America, he wouldn't ask someone if he wasn't interested in them in the first place. We don't know if he forgot about Sharon, again we will find out in CW.Okay, you've never saw Friends? People can ask many different people out, but it's not enough to show the audience why, it's the same as Widow's flirt with Benner: out of nowhere. Authors telling us that she likes him, but for what? No showing. That one fact doesn't make her special. He just like that met Falcon. It's just telling, that Cap is lonely and trying to make connections. What's telling is that she wasn't in fact so special, because he forgot about her then and in Ultron too, he was more eager to find Bucky or to think about "never-be" with Peggy.
These aren't reasons, just your biased opinion.And in Agent Carter - of course Peggy moved on, but they've made Steggy huge in it already. Much more than in TFA, you can't deny it. And now Ultron. That's why Staron will suck and your excuses now are just wishful thinking. The main point is: if they want to find love interest for Steve, it must be someone with comparable amount of chemistry with Steggy.
Again, biased opinon and your assuming.And audience don't have to think that Steve can't move on from Peggy at all, because he discovers that they are related and ONLY THEN begins to date her. It's been the whole year past since he'd met Sharon, and he's not interested, he dreams about Peggy alone. I'm not gonna repeat it again. Wishful thinking is a comfort, yeah, I understand that, sometimes it's so tempting to la-la-la through the canon and pretend that's never happened.
Biased opinion. And Staron are in the comics. You know what else was in the comics? Captain America and Sharon.Okay, I'd like to know, what exactly did they say, because I remember the note: "Natasha is trying to push Steve towards Sharon". Telling again, yeah. Trying to push because she wants to distract Steve from pulling "on that thread". That's how it looks, like something very negligible. And right after that all Steve's attention is on Bucky's file. Sometimes I think they do it on purpose: even if you try, you couldn't deliberately make intro to romance to be more blunt.
But about her future role, no, I don't have illusions: Marvel can't make a film without romance, can't live without that cliche, I'm fully aware of this.(TWS was the exception.) And it will screw up Steve's character and good memory of Steggy, as I've said.
idk, it's pretty amazing people can analyse their chemistry from two 10 second scenes together
If you looked at just Steve and Peggy's first two scenes together (Her overseeing the lineup, him getting the flag down) there wasn't a tremendous amount of overtly sexual chemistry there, either.
and for the record, in Steve and Sharon's two short scenes, I saw plenty of chemistry, but a more wholesome flirtation than people around here look for
it wasn't the "I would rip off your clothes and f*** you right here" chemistry a lot of people seem to prefer
and once again, this thread is making me feel icky
This implies only that Cap wanted to move on from Peggy and date girls, we was never told why he liked her and how much. But in AoU Steve's comment to Benner about him being "the world's authority on waiting too long" and his advice not to wait and get together with Widow make it ineluctably clear, that he didn't apply this to his own relationship with Sharon after the whole year since they met and thought about Peggy instead. And you conveniently fogot how M&M said themselves, how Cap must think it's weird, that he attracted to her. Now tell me more about false reasons and biased opinons.This implies that Cap was using Sharon when he asked her out. This is honourable Captain America, he wouldn't ask someone if he wasn't interested in them in the first place. We don't know if he forgot about Sharon, again we will find out in CW.
These aren't reasons, just your biased opinion.
Again, biased opinon and your assuming.
Biased opinion. And Staron are in the comics. You know what else was in the comics? Captain America and Sharon.
Heard on twitter that someone confirmed she was in fact in that scene![]()
Look closer.
- so that's most likely her in the photo.No, they could not have "easily" done that, because Steve and Sharon don't have that kind of relationship yet, and doing a lengthier intro would be both time-consuming and stepping on the toes of the Captain America films.The theme of characters arcs in Ultron was family, he could easily use Sharon (and compensate the lack of time in CW for romance) for Steve's but he chose Peggy to show, that now Steve don't need traditional family.
Heard on twitter that someone confirmed she was in fact in that scene- so that's most likely her in the photo.
So now we knowSteve and Sam were hanging out with Sharon at a Vienna cafe shortly before they presumably find Bucky (considering they are wearing the same outfits from the antman post credit scene there).
Just saw it on twitter too. So that's two scenes of them seating down having coffee, one in Atlanta and here.Heard on twitter that someone confirmed she was in fact in that scene- so that's most likely her in the photo.
So now we knowSteve and Sam were hanging out with Sharon at a Vienna cafe shortly before they presumably find Bucky (considering they are wearing the same outfits from the antman post credit scene there).