Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[scarlet-witch]

Why do people think Evans is against Staron? I've been looking for articles that gave me that vibe and couldn't find any. I even looked at anti tags on Tumblr and I can't find anyone gloating about it. Help! lol

 

[Pokkle]

Don't believe these conspiracy theories.

 

[Mysteryman]

He has been saying at different press events that he thinks the relationship between Sharon and Steve is "icky".

he has also said that he thinks that a relationship between Steve and Natasha would be more interesting because Natasha is basically an assassin and for Steve to fall for someone like that intrigues him(paraphrasing)

 

[Mysteryman]

Don't believe these conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah, don't believe the conspiracy stuff.
I was explaining where the beliefs stem from, not agreeing with them.

 

[scarlet-witch]

He has been saying at different press events that he thinks the relationship between Sharon and Steve is "icky".

he has also said that he thinks that a relationship between Steve and Natasha would be more interesting because Natasha is basically an assassin and for Steve to fall for someone like that intrigues him(paraphrasing)

I found the word "icky" somewhere, but no article. Same with Natasha thing, quotes but no articles. I need better proof than that.

I don't really have a place in those shipwars, I love Romanogers but I'm very well aware I'm crack shipping that and I'm not here for Stucky, but when I see people talking about this stuff, I can't help but wonder where exactly it originated.

 

[Voltron]

^^ IMO They have no chemistry. They try, but I didn't feel it.

Interestingly, when you compare his relationship with Sharon and Wanda and Vision. The Russos did a great job with Wanda and Vision in CW. It didn't feel rushed, the scenes of them were beautiful. Lizzie has chemistry with Paul Bettany. I'm not a fan of Wanda and Vision together, but it was good in the film. People in my theater were all awwww
This is proof that they know how to build a good relationship.

Hence the MAYBE when I suggested Pratt.

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Okay, I think chemistry is subjective because I thought Evans/EVC had it. I liked the scene in the hotel lobby. One of the reasons I felt people liked Wanda/Vision is because before that cooking scene Vision walked into Wanda's room through a wall and Wanda said something like Vision I told to knock first remember which suggest she's teaching him human customs and they've spent time prior together. Another is that nice long friendly cooking scene in a domestic situation of them getting to know each other which was more than 1 minute for a nice build up. Steve/Sharon scenes were only 30 secs here 30 secs there i.e. not enough time and rushed. They should've kept this scene for development and build up where it's just Staron getting to talk in a strictly friendly way where we get to know more about Sharon with a joke or two with no lovey dovey eyes for at least 2.5 mins.

 

[Voltron]

I think it's not working as well between Steve/Sharon because the Russo Bros. failed to establish Sharon up sufficiently in TWS before they tried to create a relationship, and that hurt the chemistry between them. They also should have Sharon at least appear briefly in AOU, instead of having her only appear in Cap movies. Given all the promos Sharon is in, I think they had a plan but failed to execute it correctly.

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You don't put her in so many promos and then do so little on the big screen.

I agree, but are Staron in a relationship? What they had felt so casual. Even that kiss felt nice but casual.

I agree that people liked Steve/Peggy, Steve/BW, and Steve/Bucky pairings because these characters were given plenty of development screen time, and heaps of build up with Steve where time was spent. Steve/BW are more bros though.

I am not sure i understand the argument and i have seen it repeatedly, not just from you that Sharons' part was given to BW in WS. Essentially its the MCU no part belongs to anyone, they don't follow canon. Russo's liked BW and Cap together in that situation and i think from what the Russo's have said they like their relationship as a sibling situation rather than romantic. I honestly don't think I wold have liked to have seen EVC with that much screen time. Scarlett is a decent enough actress that I thought her role came across sympathetic yet a bit disturbing with her with background. EVC I don't think has the acting chops to handle that much screen time. Maybe I will be impressed with her in CW but in WS she came off as "stiff" and not very likable.

I thought that may have been one of the reasons too but I saw her in CW and I thought she did well especially her monologue. Like you said you haven't seen CW and you're going on just her 3 minutes of glorified cameo in TWS. For comparisons sake I though EVC did better than Colbie as Hill in The Avengers.

 

[noakai]

I agree, but are Staron in a relationship? What they had felt so casual. Even that kiss felt nice but casual.

I agree that people liked Steve/Peggy, Steve/BW, and Steve/Bucky pairings because these characters were given plenty of development screen time, and heaps of build up with Steve where time was spent. Steve/BW are more bros though.

I thought that may have been one of the reasons too but I saw her in CW and I thought she did well especially her monologue. Like you said you haven't seen CW and you're going on just her 3 minutes of glorified cameo in TWS. For comparisons sake I though EVC did better than Colbie as Hill in The Avengers.

I mean they haven't even really been on a proper date yet right? And that was their first kiss? Whatever their intentions were I don't think it had a chance to develop into anything serious yet anyway. Maybe Evans was playing it as a goodbye kiss, since he was going into a fight where he'd either win and be a fugitive or lose and be in jail or dead. Not much room for romance when you're possibly on the run.

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I suppose she could join him in Wakanda. But again, who knows if they're gonna write it that way.

 

[Stevie2020]

She didn't choose to turn it down, she was forced. Fox had a movie option on her and exercised it by forcing her to be in that execrableJack Black Gulliver's Travels.

Just like Universal had an option on Jessica Chastain and she had to do the terrible Huntsman and Hemsworth was tied into to doing the sequel whether he wanted to or not. (Or be sued.)

Blunt did turn don the role of Peggy Carter though because I gather she didn't want to play the "love interest" after losing BW.

Great call Emily. ( lol, eye roll ) She couldn't see that Peggy was an actual character rather than a DLI. Hope she doesn't pass on Captain Marvel. Three strikes and all that.

 

[MarvelMayhem]

I agree, but are Staron in a relationship? What they had felt so casual. Even that kiss felt nice but casual.

I agree that people liked Steve/Peggy, Steve/BW, and Steve/Bucky pairings because these characters were given plenty of development screen time, and heaps of build up with Steve where time was spent. Steve/BW are more bros though.



I thought that may have been one of the reasons too but I saw her in CW and I thought she did well especially her monologue. Like you said you haven't seen CW and you're going on just her 3 minutes of glorified cameo in TWS. For comparisons sake I though EVC did better than Colbie as Hill in The Avengers.

I agree have not seen CW so my opinion could change regarding EVC.

I tend to not believe much in the way that Evans might not like her, think he is a professional and would not outright be unprofessional towards her. He may not like the relationship though and my thought is most people won't that are not die hard Staron fans. I think people just LOVED Peggy so much and Sharon they feel is a cheap rip off in their perspectives. my thought and maybe how Evans kind of felt if we are going to buy him involved with someone else lets make it someone who is very opposite of Peggy. Nat comes from such a dark background and pretty much before meeting Cap was a bit of a survivalist and not invested in the bigger scheme of things. I think her friendship with Cap made her open to the idea of changing herself and doing things because it is the right thing to do. Being a hero essentially. I think thats were Evans thought it would be a better dynamic. I think the fate of Sharon is really not in the hands of the Russo brothers or Chris Evans but in the reception of the audience. If the audience really enjoys their interaction in CW then I would imagine in IW we will see Sharon again. jmo

 

[Voltron]

I mean they haven't even really been on a proper date yet right? And that was their first kiss? Whatever their intentions were I don't think it had a chance to develop into anything serious yet anyway. Maybe Evans was playing it as a goodbye kiss, since he was going into a fight where he'd either win and be a fugitive or lose and be in jail or dead. Not much room for romance when you're possibly on the run.

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I suppose she could join him in Wakanda. But again, who knows if they're gonna write it that way.

But is Cap really the type of guy that would kiss someone like that sweetly and not see her later? Yes there was that Natalie Dormer kiss in TFA but she was the one who pounced on him.

Goodbye kiss where he uses her for intel and that's it? Is Cap that type of guy?

Great call Emily. ( lol, eye roll ) She couldn't see that Peggy was an actual character rather than a DLI. Hope she doesn't pass on Captain Marvel. Three strikes and all that.

No, Emily would've made a great and fitting Black Widow as she has shown in Edge of Tomorrow and that YSL ad. She had the role, it was in her hands. Damn you FOX, that was low as hell.

 

[TalismanRing]

I found the word "icky" somewhere, but no article. Same with Natasha thing, quotes but no articles. I need better proof than that.

I don't really have a place in those shipwars, I love Romanogers but I'm very well aware I'm crack shipping that and I'm not here for Stucky, but when I see people talking about this stuff, I can't help but wonder where exactly it originated.

It's on video. The "icky" thing was during the London Press Conference (starts around the 6 minute mark) and it was it was actually the reporter who first used the word icky and EVC commentating on it and Chris jokingly repeating "a little icky" twice and making a gagging sound after EVC told him to "deal with it".

Chris talking about Steve and Natasha as who he would like as a potential lover was in the Singapore Press Conference.

 

[TalismanRing]

But is Cap really the type of guy that would kiss someone like that sweetly and not see her later? Yes there was that Natalie Dormer kiss in TFA but she was the one who pounced on him.

Goodbye kiss where he uses her for intel and that's it? Is Cap that type of guy?

To quote Chris - "He's 95, he's selfish and he just wants to be kissed." t:

 

[Drz]

I think it would have been better if Sharon Carter wasn't related to Peggy at all.

It just makes it a "no" that Steve is now dating his 1st girlfriend's niece, at least for casual viewers. Comic book fans just want to respect the canon and not see alterations.

 

[BatsDC]

The "icky" thing was a joke. They were making fun of the word. The question asked whether they thought it was "icky" - that's why they said it.

 

[Drz]

I'm speaking about the movie in general. Didn't even know someone had said some icky thing.

 

[universeman]

I think it would have been better if Sharon Carter wasn't related to Peggy at all.

It just makes it a "no" that Steve is now dating his 1st girlfriend's niece, at least for casual viewers. Comic book fans just want to respect the canon and not see alterations.

That's why I like Bryan Singer he likes to create his own pairings while still having some comic book canon couples.

 

[Loki882]

Having them kiss/be romantic in the same movie that:

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Peggy dies, probably didn't help either. And she really needed more screentime, and more screentime with Cap, for this to really work.

 

[psylockolussus]

It wasn't needed. She and Captain America needed more build-up to get to that part.

I liked her though! Emily VanCamp came a long way, I first knew her from the Brothers & Sisters the TV show.

 

[marshal99]

That kiss was a bit awkward. Cap didn't even know that agent 13 is related to peggy carter until that funeral. In WS , widow told cap that her name was sharon but no last name when she tried to get steve to go on dates.

 

[ScarlettW]

That kiss was a bit awkward. Cap didn't even know that agent 13 is related to peggy carter until that funeral. In WS , widow told cap that her name was sharon but no last name when she tried to get steve to go on dates.

Yep. In the same film you have vision and Wanda who felt more romantic without a kiss.

 

[Raiden]

It wasn't needed. She and Captain America needed more build-up to get to that part.

I liked her though! Emily VanCamp came a long way, I first knew her from the Brothers & Sisters the TV show.

The problem is that they didn't give Sharon enough screen time for the build up, and since this is that last Cap movie, who knows if we will ever get a movie where Steve and Sharon have enough time for development? Again, they could have done it in TWS so CW will have the payoff but they obviously did not.

 

[The Infernal]

I don't think the kiss quite worked. Not in the context of the film at least. It didn't feel earned. I felt there was more going on with them in WS to be honest. Though CW was more focused on other things than Cap & Sharon.

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I did like the reaction from Falcon & Bucky though.

It was nice to see some more development for Sharon in this movie, but she did feel on the edge a bit when not dealing with Peggy's death. I would have liked to see her have a more active role in Cap's team.

I've no interest in a Cap/BW pairing though. I liked her attempt at wooing Banner and though I'm not too bothered if she tries picking that up again, I think she can do better than Cap. Maybe she could make a couple with Bucky like they did in the comics. Though there's no reason she couldn't simply be unnatached to anyone.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I don't think the kiss quite worked. Not in the context of the film at least. It didn't feel earned. I felt there was more going on with them in WS to be honest. Though CW was more focused on other things than Cap & Sharon.

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I did like the reaction from Falcon & Bucky though.

It was nice to see some more development for Sharon in this movie, but she did feel on the edge a bit when not dealing with Peggy's death. I would have liked to see her have a more active role in Cap's team.

I've no interest in a Cap/BW pairing though. I liked her attempt at wooing Banner and though I'm not too bothered if she tries picking that up again, I think she can do better than Cap. Maybe she could make a couple with Bucky like they did in the comics. Though there's no reason she couldn't simply be unnatached to anyone.

I don't think that's possible.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm talking in terms of pairing. He's a bit of a bland choice. I don't see why they should be together other than he's the hero. They work better as friends.