Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[Voltron]

Steve being hesitant and reserved meant he never got a kiss from Peggy. He fell in love with her but never pursued it....so nothing happened. He regretted that. It didn't make him become a horndog and start shagging every woman he met....but he started loosening up, especially after his interactions with Black Widow. She obviously tried to get him to loosen up and start dating other women. So....he knows Sharon, he was attracted to her and then got upset when he found out that she was not the nurse he thought but actually an agent. But he got over it....he saw an opening to give a woman he liked a kiss....and he did it.

It doesn't mean they are getting married tomorrow. It doesn't mean this is the new great love of his life. It was an every day occurance....A man gave a woman he liked a kiss before he went off to war.....

Exactly.

After rewatching that kiss I think it was meant to be awkward for Steve at the way he awkwardly leaned in because that was his first time making the first move with a woman. He was like, heck I don't want to miss my chance with Sharon. Sharon however looked confident to me. No wonder Steve then looked pleased and smiling to himself after Sharon left.

 

[Stevie2020]

I believe that Marvel is only interested/invested in developing the supporting cast of the primary heroes in the first few outings. After they've been established they seem to loose interest in favor of team ups and setting up future movies. At that point, unless the support characters are other Avengers, they take a back seat to the top liners.

I have maintained that Staron would be okay with me IF they wrote Sharon well. (Well, it probably would be okay, LOL. )

They didn't and I'd be very surprised if they put in any more effort into Sharon at this point.

 

[ciscostudent561]

on a completely unrelated note
SHE LOOKS LIKE TINA
ugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
/tear

 

[Tg11]

Either way I think we will probably see more development in their love story as far as Infinity War goes provided if we see Sharon again in IW

 

[ARA]

I don't think we'll see her for some time.

Maybe if EVC ended up becoming more high profile.

 

[MadVillainy]

Unless shes part of Cap's secret Avengers I doubt we'll see her in a significant role

unless, like said above, she becomes more high profile

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Or if we get a director that like Captain America comic books.

 

[Voltron]

I believe that Marvel is only interested/invested in developing the supporting cast of the primary heroes in the first few outings. After they've been established they seem to loose interest in favor of team ups and setting up future movies. At that point, unless the support characters are other Avengers, they take a back seat to the top liners.

I have maintained that Staron would be okay with me IF they wrote Sharon well. (Well, it probably would be okay, LOL. )

They didn't and I'd be very surprised if they put in any more effort into Sharon at this point.

This is so frustrating to me because I saw so many opportunities in TWS and CW where they could've better utilized and developed Sharon more. And this was suppose to be a Cap movie! Well thanks Russos for giving Sharon's comics role to BW .

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Of the three trilogies so far Cap is the only one to play host to a multitude of Avengers.

Banners role in Thor remains to be seen, but the movie is still going to have Valkyrie, Skurge, and Hela.

Parts of Black Panthers supporting cast have already been introduced in other movies, even.

 

[Stevie2020]

This is true. Caps intro to this universe was that of the first Avenger. Since the MCU chose to destroy SHIELD in TWS, that made him first and foremost an Avenger.

CACW was oversold as a Cap story. It was focused on him but it probably shed a lot of the Cap centric plot went it was decided to go Civil War. And the company line was to keep reminding people and emphasizing that this was a Cap story. (Since it was so obviously hijacked by the big story, Downey, and the need to set up other sub franchises.)

I really like CACW for the most part, but I think Marvel "owes us" a Cap movie. A Cap movie without Downey. I'll take Black Widow since she's now firmly established as his MCU work wife.

I think Cap (and Evans) took one for the team on this one. Maybe he'll get a sweet Cap centric subplot in Infinity Wars as a make up.

 

[Knight_SV]

Well, cw was mostly made as a counter to BvS, but now look turn out BvS was an utter mess. I think deep down feige also regret making CW this fast and put it as cap solo movie after seeing BvS reception.
Cap needs anither movie in phase 4 with sharon having bigger role, and no BW please

 

[universeman]

I agree on Cap getting a true solo movie one where there is no avengers just a Avengers free Cap movie.

 

[Raiden]

I agree on Cap getting a true solo movie one where there is no avengers just a Avengers free Cap movie.

If Evans wants to extend his contract after IW, we might get one, unless Cap is killed off before then.

 

[Voltron]

Well, cw was mostly made as a counter to BvS, but now look turn out BvS was an utter mess. I think deep down feige also regret making CW this fast and put it as cap solo movie after seeing BvS reception.
Cap needs anither movie in phase 4 with sharon having bigger role, and no BW please

CW was a decent movie. But if they waited to make CW as a third Avengers movie instead of IW then we would've gotten a much better version of CW with established Spidey, Ant-Man, Wasp, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel involved. That battle would be so epic. Instead I feel that the CW Cap version we got was a reactionary instead of a pro-action to BvS and we were denied a true Cap movie. I agree no BW.

 

[Voltron]

So I noticed that after the kiss when Sharon said she should go then headed back inside her car she didn't wait or assist Cap with his gear out of the boot/trunk with the boot door still open. So was she just going to drive off with the boot door open with the gear still inside or maybe she was just going to wait inside the car while Cap takes all that gear out? And why didn't Sam get out of the car to also retrieve his bird costume from Sharon. This kiss scene wasn't really thought out well.

Maybe if Sam and Bucky got out with Cap to help retrieve their gears back then Sharon makes a joke about Bucky knocking her out, Bucky says sorry to her, they thank Sharon then while Sam/Bucky loads the gear into the VW car Staron kiss, Sharon leaves, then Cap looks back to Sam/Bucky for their funny reaction. This way we get a scene with Sharon at least having spoken to Sam/Bucky.

 

[MadVillainy]

It's such a intentionally and unintentionally awkward scene I wouldn't look to much into it.

 

[Delwin]

It was fine scene while it could be done a bit better - instead of Cap going for the kiss, it could be some akward talk between them and suddenly Sharon goes for quick kiss and leaves even faster. It would also make perfectly clear why she is helping them at all and at the same time it would fit a bit better into all this "post-funeral" issues.

 

[FN-2187]

It was fine scene while it could be done a bit better - instead of Cap going for the kiss, it could be some akward talk between them and suddenly Sharon goes for quick kiss and leaves even faster. It would also make perfectly clear why she is helping them at all and at the same time it would fit a bit better into all this "post-funeral" issues.

I think they should have omitted the kiss altogether. Not in the same movie Peggy dies AND Steve finds out Sharon is her niece. That makes it look like he's just using her because she's related to his old flame.

If they want to pull off Staron, they need a fourth Cap movie where Steve and Sharon actually work together as partners--a la Steve and Black Widow in TWS--giving them plenty of time to bond and develop a believable romance independent of Sharon's connection to Peggy. Instead of the dynamic in CA:CW, where Sharon basically operates as Steve's errand girl, flitting in and out of his story-line.

They also need to address the elephant in the room; Sharon's connection to her aunt. Let it cause discord and uncertainty between them (with Sharon wondering if Steve sees the real her and Steve half-wondering the same thing). Show them working through it and coming to realize that what they have is real. That requires time they didn't have in CW.

 

[Raiden]

I think they should have omitted the kiss altogether. Not in the same movie Peggy dies AND Steve finds out Sharon is her niece. That makes it look like he's just using her because she's related to his old flame.

If they want to pull off Staron, they need a fourth Cap movie where Steve and Sharon actually work together as partners--a la Steve and Black Widow in TWS--giving them plenty of time to bond and develop a believable romance independent of Sharon's connection to Peggy. Instead of the dynamic in CA:CW, where Sharon basically operates as Steve's errand girl, flitting in and out of his story-line.

They also need to address the elephant in the room; Sharon's connection to her aunt. Let it cause discord and uncertainty between them (with Sharon wondering if Steve sees the real her and Steve half-wondering the same thing). Show them working through it and coming to realize that what they have is real. That requires time they didn't have in CW.

I think the Russo Bros. are operating under the assumption that there won't be a 4th Cap movie. Remember that Evans' contract is fulfilled after Infinity War, and even though he said he likes to continue there's no way for sure it will happen, so I think they decided to try to at least give Steve/Sharon a kiss to seal the tie between them. If there is another Cap movie, then they can explore their relationship further, although I wish they will do it in IW instead.

 

[Xeno]

Well, cw was mostly made as a counter to BvS, but now look turn out BvS was an utter mess. I think deep down feige also regret making CW this fast and put it as cap solo movie after seeing BvS reception.
Cap needs anither movie in phase 4 with sharon having bigger role, and no BW please

Are you serious? Feige is undoubtedly over the moon about the reception CW has gotten from audiences and critics. The movie is a success on every level. Marvel and Disney execs would be turning handsprings through Disneyland if they weren't so busy counting their money.

You Sharon fanatics are something else. You've dismissed a great movie simply because your favorite isn't the same in the MCU as in the comics. Spoiler alert: none of these characters are the same and neither are their relationships. Thor isn't with Sif. Hank & Jan may never be together on screen. Tony should have been paired with Bethany or Whitney or half a dozen other lovers rather than Pepper. And Steve Rogers will never romance Bernie Rosenthal, whom he nearly married. These heroes' relationships are different from the comics because the MCU is different. Whether or not you accept that, it's the truth.

 

[Delwin]

Not in the same movie Peggy dies AND Steve finds out Sharon is her niece.

Matter what goes first - if they start some kind of romance before that information it would be more than perfect: akwardness would be doubled. On the other hand - how old is Sharon in the movie ? 30? I find this part of the story a bit stretched - Peggy is more likely to be her grandaunt (she must have been more less as old as Cap).

Concerning the "romance angle" in general: while there is quite a lot good jokes as to the "romantic" relationships (e.g. in CA: WS on in IM movies) so far MCU is finding it more as second (or even third) line of interest. Also all this stuff is not handled very well - with small exception of Cap/Peggy from CA: FA. Frankly speaking all other relationships are handled much better e.g. brothers (Loki/Thor), father/sons (Odyn/sons), friendship (Cap/Bucky and whole Avengers relations). On the other hand - it is unexplored area for the future movies. Not sure whether anything would fit in Phase 3. Spiderman maybe?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

You Sharon fanatics are something else. You've dismissed a great movie simply because your favorite isn't the same in the MCU as in the comics. Spoiler alert: none of these characters are the same and neither are their relationships. Thor isn't with Sif. Hank & Jan may never be together on screen. Tony should have been paired with Bethany or Whitney or half a dozen other lovers rather than Pepper. And Steve Rogers will never romance Bernie Rosenthal, whom he nearly married. These heroes' relationships are different from the comics because the MCU is different. Whether or not you accept that, it's the truth.

As if no one else brings up changes. As if there wasn't massive uproar about Janet being dead.

As if other fans aren't mad about Hawkeye being a family man instead of some loser in Bed-Stuy, or aren't still hanging on to the idea that Black Widow is Bucky's secretly 80+ year old ex.

 

[FN-2187]

Matter what goes first - if they start some kind of romance before that information it would be more than perfect: akwardness would be doubled. On the other hand - how old is Sharon in the movie ? 30? I find this part of the story a bit stretched - Peggy is more likely to be her grandaunt (she must have been more less as old as Cap).

Concerning the "romance angle" in general: while there is quite a lot good jokes as to the "romantic" relationships (e.g. in CA: WS on in IM movies) so far MCU is finding it more as second (or even third) line of interest. Also all this stuff is not handled very well - with small exception of Cap/Peggy from CA: FA. Frankly speaking all other relationships are handled much better e.g. brothers (Loki/Thor), father/sons (Odyn/sons), friendship (Cap/Bucky and whole Avengers relations). On the other hand - it is unexplored area for the future movies. Not sure whether anything would fit in Phase 3. Spiderman maybe?

This is true, but I think they might be trying to improve on this going forward. They're getting rid of more "ordinary" love interests like Pepper and Jane and moving towards powerful girlfriend characters like Sharon, Valkyrie, and Hope. These new heroines will be more like equal partners to their superhero boyfriends in Phase 3.

As if no one else brings up changes. As if there wasn't massive uproar about Janet being dead.

As if other fans aren't mad about Hawkeye being a family man instead of some loser in Bed-Stuy, or aren't still hanging on to the idea that Black Widow is Bucky's secretly 80+ year old ex.

Janet isn't dead, she's in the Quantum Realm and will probably be rescued in Ant-Man and the Wasp.

 

[Delwin]

This is true, but I think they might be trying to improve on this going forward. They're getting rid of more "ordinary" love interests like Pepper and Jane

Having ordinary GF vs. superhero (or the other way around) is fantastic opportunity to have a great story. Cap/Peggy story was great although she was "ordinary" comparing to him. So far parts were simply mishandled. I wonder what will happen in "Doctor Strange"/
"Black Panther" in this area - actually solo movies are much better place to handle such plots.

 

[Xeno]

As if no one else brings up changes. As if there wasn't massive uproar about Janet being dead.

As if other fans aren't mad about Hawkeye being a family man instead of some loser in Bed-Stuy, or aren't still hanging on to the idea that Black Widow is Bucky's secretly 80+ year old ex.

Fans have always vocally objected to changes from the comics to the MCU. However, some people in this thread have acted as if the Captain America trilogy was ruined because Sharon hasn't been his sole love interest. The unwarranted bitterness towards other characters and even Captain America himself for perceived slights to Sharon has gone over the top, IMO.

The fact of the matter is that the series has focused on Steve and the challenges that he faces as a hero. Steve has had a romance with Peggy Carter, which had a profound effect on him and the entire MCU. Since that first movie the writers have focused on Steve's entanglements with Bucky, SHIELD/HYDRA and the Avengers. That made perfect sense. These are action movies, so romances are secondary to the conflict.