Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[Voltron]

Fell for each other? There was nothing between them except when Steve asked her out because NATASHA told him to do so, he even didn't know Sharon as a person at all (and even that doesn't matter much, because Steve has already kissed other women since 1945). And in the end he wasn't interested enough to call her. For TWO YEARS. He just totally forgot about her until PEGGY'S funeral. And in CW he just used Sharon for his purposes, because he could easily steal shield and wings by himself without asking Sharon to risk her job.

In that hotel lobby scene when Sharon was unapologetic to Cap that she was just doing her job it would've been beneficial to the Staron build up if Sharon added to a similar effect, I may have deceived you that I wasn't a nurse, but I want you to know that everything else during that time was the actual me. This way it would imply that Cap did get to know Sharon as a person. It would've also helped if they joked/flirted about missing living across the hall from each other or something instead of talking about Peggy and Bucky the majority of the time.

Fell for each other, liked each other same difference. Nat was playing wingman and Cap could've asked the other women she suggested to date but it was Sharon he asked out. Cap didn't call Sharon because he was looking for Bucky and avenging for TWO YEARS. It shows that he's too awkward to pursue a love life until another opportunity presented itself.

 

[Herolee10]

Some people tend to forget/dismiss that Steve felt attracted to Sharon WAY BEFORE he found out that she was related to Peggy. I know people who actually claim that they think the only reason why Steve has the hots for Sharon is because of that Carter connection when that's further from the truth imho.

Sure, they may not be the most sizzling couple out there in the MCU, but I don't necessarily see anything about their pairing to be really creepy as some make it out to be.

Yes, Steve had an special connection with Peggy in the 40's but they never actually entered in a romantic relationship with each other. They only shared one kiss and that was decades ago, during which time Peggy moved on with her life. It's not like, as Steve worded it to Banner in AOU, him having a thing for Sharon is the same as one of them breaking any bylaws.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Some people tend to forget/dismiss that Steve felt attracted to Sharon WAY BEFORE he found out that she was related to Peggy. I know people who actually claim that they think the only reason why Steve has the hots for Sharon is because of that Carter connection when that's further from the truth imho.

Sure, they may not be the most sizzling couple out there in the MCU, but I don't necessarily see anything about their pairing to be really creepy as some make it out to be.

Yes, Steve had an special connection with Peggy in the 40's but they never actually entered in a romantic relationship with each other. They only shared one kiss and that was decades ago, during which time Peggy moved on with her life. It's not like, as Steve worded it to Banner in AOU, him having a thing for Sharon is the same as one of them breaking any bylaws.

Here's a recent interview and Evans hints that he originally thought Marvel was building Cap-Widow (Mackie obviously wants Falcon-Widow), but Evans clearly doesn't think that Steve was going to spend the rest of his cinematic life pining after Peggy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnHZdsqbOB8

I'd also agree that I never saw anything creepy about the kiss in CW, especially given that Sam and Bucky both looked at the moment with the glee of goofy middle school boys.

 

[ScarlettW]

In that hotel lobby scene when Sharon was unapologetic to Cap that she was just doing her job it would've been beneficial to the Staron build up if Sharon added to a similar effect, I may have deceived you that I wasn't a nurse, but I want you to know that everything else during that time was the actual me. This way it would imply that Cap did get to know Sharon as a person. It would've also helped if they joked/flirted about missing living across the hall from each other or something instead of talking about Peggy and Bucky the majority of the time.

Fell for each other, liked each other same difference. Nat was playing wingman and Cap could've asked the other women she suggested to date but it was Sharon he asked out. Cap didn't call Sharon because he was looking for Bucky and avenging for TWO YEARS. It shows that he's too awkward to pursue a love life until another opportunity presented itself.

They wanted the element of surprise of him not knowing that she is a Carter. If he had been in contact with her, people would wonder why she didn't tell him that she is a Carter.
This choice ended up playing against the couple because some people think he only likes her because she is Peggy's niece.

 

[Xeno]

I really wish Hayley would shut up. I'm glad her show was canceled. Peggy kissed Cap once and Hayley thinks Cap is off limits. Peggy is dead. Hopefully she'll stay dead and irrelevant.

Crazy staron shippers, always good for a laugh. t:

Hayley has a new show, BTW. Disney loves her and wants to keep her in the fold. They know talent and charisma when they see it.

 

[Rote]

NO ONE here said that Steve shouldn't move on from Peggy. Quite the opposite. And THAT's my and many people's biggest problem with Staron - it means that he keeps it in the family and can't move on from Peggy. He is clearly projecting, as Evans confirmed. I will be okay with any other decent ship, heck, I will be okay even if they just keep his love life completely off-screen, it makes his character more interesting.

Some people tend to forget/dismiss that Steve felt attracted to Sharon WAY BEFORE he found out that she was related to Peggy. I know people who actually claim that they think the only reason why Steve has the hots for Sharon is because of that Carter connection when that's further from the truth imho.

No one dismisses it, it's just that it was only ONE scene and very unconvincing. Yes, he asked her out. But only after Natasha told him to do so. Yes, he asked Sharon, not other girl, but it seems like just because she lived across the hall, so it didn't actually take any effort from him. It's like he saw her, recall that Nat and Peggy told him to move on and try something with his life, so he asked. But she refused and he wasn't even upset much, he just didn't care. In the end of TWS Natasha told him AGAIN to call her. Did he do it? No. He wasn't interested enough to do it. And it was not a big deal really, he told Natasha that he's already kissed girls since 1945, so he's obviously already asked other girls out and had dates.

Cap didn't call Sharon because he was looking for Bucky and avenging for TWO YEARS. It shows that he's too awkward to pursue a love life until another opportunity presented itself.

That's what I call "wasn't interested enough". Very lame excuse. That's how I KNOW when the guy is really interested in me - if he makes effort and can find time for me. Steve is not a helpless 5 years old boy. Yes, he's awkward, but if he really wanted to date Sharon, he would have found time and opportunity to call her BEFORE Peggy's funeral. It's that simple.

 

[Rote]

It's really startling to me, how poorly they handled all this Staron thing. Heck, aside from two scenes (in the lobby and with the kiss), Steve wasn't even looking at her much. Instead there were many stolen glances with Bucky, now I see where all this Stucky thing came from. Sharon in the room and talking, but Steve prefer to ignor her and pay attention to video with Bucky. Maybe he kissed her just to make Bucky jealous? Still more plausible explanation than the one in the film.

 

[Voltron]

They wanted the element of surprise of him not knowing that she is a Carter. If he had been in contact with her, people would wonder why she didn't tell him that she is a Carter.
This choice ended up playing against the couple because some people think he only likes her because she is Peggy's niece.

Sharon in the eulogy explained why she didn't tell anyone she was related to Peggy because she wanted to make it on her own and not ride her grandaunt's coat tails. If they were in contact these past two years and Sharon didn't tell him then that was the reason.

That's what I call "wasn't interested enough". Very lame excuse. That's how I KNOW when the guy is really interested in me - if he makes effort and can find time for me. Steve is not a helpless 5 years old boy. Yes, he's awkward, but if he really wanted to date Sharon, he would have found time and opportunity to call her BEFORE Peggy's funeral. It's that simple.

Blame the writers. Or maybe by the time Steve tried to contact her she no longer lived in the apartment and had already flown over to Germany to work so he missed his chance. It was not until the funeral that he got another opportunity. Remember Cap was in hospital for a couple or a few days. Sharon also didn't get in contact with Cap.

 

[Voltron]

Stucky shippers are like ProfessorX/Magneto and Thor/Loki shippers. They want the leading men to get it on.

 

[Random490]

I don't think it's a huge problem. I've always found the situation weird. While I've aloved love Sharon Carter's character, their relationship, and the fact the movies did it less creepily than the comics I skill can't get over how weird it is. Personally I was hoping they wouldn't be blood relatives. In the first season of Agent Carter, Peggy befriends a waitress/actress and I was really hoping that she would be Sharon's grandmother with her referring to Carter as "Aunt Peggy" growing up.

I just wish Civil War a had a few more scenes and the kiss itself was better. I was thinking "really, you used that take?" But the bro smile more than made up for it.

 

[Mike5575]

Stucky shippers are like ProfessorX/Magneto and Thor/Loki shippers. They want the leading men to get it on.

Tumblr calls Civil War Stucky: Civil Union.

 

[Herolee10]

Stucky shippers are like ProfessorX/Magneto and Thor/Loki shippers. They want the leading men to get it on.

Which is why I don't take any of those fandoms seriously. Why they want to sexualize relationships that are meant to be portrayed as that between brother/sibling figures is beyond me.

 

[BoredGuy]

I don't think it's a huge problem. I've always found the situation weird. While I've aloved love Sharon Carter's character, their relationship, and the fact the movies did it less creepily than the comics I skill can't get over how weird it is. Personally I was hoping they wouldn't be blood relatives. In the first season of Agent Carter, Peggy befriends a waitress/actress and I was really hoping that she would be Sharon's grandmother with her referring to Carter as "Aunt Peggy" growing up.

I just wish Civil War a had a few more scenes and the kiss itself was better. I was thinking "really, you used that take?" But the bro smile more than made up for it.

whatchoo talkin about son?
In the comics, Steve and Sharon were together for quite a while before the retconned Peggy into the story. There's nothing at all creepy about Steve and Sharon's relationship in the books.

Idk, it was handled poorly in the movie. But it wasn't so bad it deserves all the s**t it's getting, from two of the film's stars no less. I still think had they showed Steve and Sharon fall for each other in the field, then mentioned the Carter thing, it would'nt have offended some people's delicate sensibilities

And if the two of them sharing their complaints leads to a reduced role for Emily Van Camp in future films, that's pretty f***ed up on their part

 

[ScarlettW]

Sharon in the eulogy explained why she didn't tell anyone she was related to Peggy because she wanted to make it on her own and not ride her grandaunt's coat tails. If they were in contact these past two years and Sharon didn't tell him then that was the reason.

funeral is not the best place to reveal it to someone with whom you are in contact for two years.
I like her decision to keep it a secret when she was working in the Shield.

 

[Mike5575]

Unfortunately if Marvel doesn't continue with Sharon and Steve I would like Captain America to be paired off with Captain Marvel eventually. Both are from the military and I can see Evans and Brie hitting it off.

Captain America wouldn't be able to handle Captain Marvel. Besides, if Carol is going to be paired up with anyone, it shouldn't be someone who is less popular and would be less likely to steal the show.

 

[MarvelMayhem]

Captain America wouldn't be able to handle Captain Marvel. Besides, if Carol is going to be paired up with anyone, it shouldn't be someone who is less popular and would be less likely to steal the show.

I don't know maybe Captain Marvel and America would make a cute couple? AHHHH I am a glutton for punishment. LOL Just make Steve a non dater!! Romance is essentially the kiss of death in the MCU, it seems like no couple can make it on screen. I actually felt quite bad about Pepper and Tony, they had nice chemistry and I did like Peggy and Steve on screen yet I knew that was doomed too. Its a strange technical issue that the writers seem not to be able to sort out. Still kind of holding out for a Nat and Bucky moment but in all reality if no one ever makes it into the romance realm I can deal, just make couples seem legitimate.

 

[Voltron]

Maybe the problem is that the romances are written by men. Maybe they need a woman's input preferably a Staron fan advocate when writing it. But seriously there are decades of Staron comics material that the writers could've tapped. But I guess it wouldn't matter because the Russos will cut those Staron scenes out.

Yes Captain Marvel and Captain America have potential.

 

[Voltron]

I don't think it's a huge problem. I've always found the situation weird. While I've aloved love Sharon Carter's character, their relationship, and the fact the movies did it less creepily than the comics I skill can't get over how weird it is. Personally I was hoping they wouldn't be blood relatives. In the first season of Agent Carter, Peggy befriends a waitress/actress and I was really hoping that she would be Sharon's grandmother with her referring to Carter as "Aunt Peggy" growing up.

I just wish Civil War a had a few more scenes and the kiss itself was better. I was thinking "really, you used that take?" But the bro smile more than made up for it.

I agree a better take would've helped, so many considerations and tweaks would've helped.

Which is why I don't take any of those fandoms seriously. Why they want to sexualize relationships that are meant to be portrayed as that between brother/sibling figures is beyond me.

I'm fine with fan shipping, but the stucky shippers are taking it to another level like actually petitioning Marvel to make stucky happen. Crazy.

Idk, it was handled poorly in the movie. But it wasn't so bad it deserves all the s**t it's getting, from two of the film's stars no less. I still think had they showed Steve and Sharon fall for each other in the field, then mentioned the Carter thing, it would'nt have offended some people's delicate sensibilities

And if the two of them sharing their complaints leads to a reduced role for Emily Van Camp in future films, that's pretty f***ed up on their part

Like in the comics.

funeral is not the best place to reveal it to someone with whom you are in contact for two years.
I like her decision to keep it a secret when she was working in the Shield.

Put yourself in Sharon's shoes, you had no clue that your great aunt and the guy you grew up admiring had a thing 70 years ago. All you know is that you didn't want to tell anyone you were related to Peggy because you wanted to make it on your own merits.

 

[ScarlettW]

Maybe the problem is that the romances are written by men. Maybe they need a woman's input preferably a Staron fan advocate when writing it. But seriously there are decades of Staron comics material that the writers could've tapped. But I guess it wouldn't matter because the Russos will cut those Staron scenes out.

Yes Captain Marvel and Captain America have potential.

They know how to write romance: Vision and Wanda. Even the friendship between Steve and Nat was very well written. If they wanted to turn Steve and Nat in a couple, it would be great because of what they started in WS. No one would complain.

I don't think they will do Cap and Carol a couple, unless the actors have great chemistry and people like to see them together. It will be interesting to see the interaction between these two...

Nah, I don't think it will happen because she is starting her trilogy. We don't know if it will have a Cap 4.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

They know how to write romance: Vision and Wanda. Even the friendship between Steve and Nat was very well written. If they wanted to turn Steve and Nat in a couple, it would be great because of what they started in WS. No one would complain.

I'd argue the scenes they shared in the Avengers was the beginning of their friendship and we got to see it blossom in TWS.

I think you can still pair Steve with Sharon if you give her a unique role in his professional life. Something like Vaugn's role in Alias or Auggie's in Covert Affairs.

 

[Voltron]

They know how to write romance: Vision and Wanda. Even the friendship between Steve and Nat was very well written. If they wanted to turn Steve and Nat in a couple, it would be great because of what they started in WS. No one would complain.

I don't think they will do Cap and Carol a couple, unless the actors have great chemistry and people like to see them together. It will be interesting to see the interaction between these two...

Nah, I don't think it will happen because she is starting her trilogy. We don't know if it will have a Cap 4.

I was looking fwd to Vision/Wanda after I enjoyed the looks Wanda gave Vision in AoU, but they just fell flat to me in CW.

Actually, M/M do know how to write romance. But the problem is that the Russos don't like Sharon and they edited out the filmed cafe scene and cut down her lines and role once again according to that storyboard on youtube that would've helped the Staron build up. Also I would complain if Steve/Nat happened. I rather Nat/Bucky.

I think you can still pair Steve with Sharon if you give her a unique role in his professional life. Something like Vaugn's role in Alias or Auggie's in Covert Affairs.

Or have them working together like........in the comics.

 

[Rote]

Which is why I don't take any of those fandoms seriously. Why they want to sexualize relationships that are meant to be portrayed as that between brother/sibling figures is beyond me.

Because they fed up with heterosexual pairings. It's got very boring, I suppose. They have seen everything about it and don't have any single LGBT couple at all.
And actually Stucky is not like other M/M ships, because it has actual roots in canon. That's why Russos call their relationship a "love story": it follows all the romantic tropes you usually have with canon ships. If Bucky were a woman, no one would have any doubt that Steve is crazy in love with Becky Barnes.

Haha, it just seems now that all the media ships Stucky, not just fandom on tumbler. It's all over the internet. For example, the recent I've seen is from the Vulture:

Captain America: Civil War, which was clearly a love story between Captain America and Bucky Barnes, included a tepid kiss between Chris Evans's Captain America and Emily VanCamp's Sharon Carter, because of the patriarchy or something, and nobody is happy.

And if the two of them sharing their complaints leads to a reduced role for Emily Van Camp in future films, that's pretty f***ed up on their part

What to "reduce" here already? The authors basically have signed with CW, that Sharon's character is boring and not worthy to have a decent role, or that EVC is THAT poor actress to give it to her. If they wanted, they could have give her at least Falcon-sized role. Instead they cut her scenes and although she was initially in plans to be in the airport battle, they got rid of her there. Heck, she is not in the 3rd act of the movie at all, she just totally disappears after the kiss.
If the filmmakers are not interested at all in Sharon's character, why should the audience want her with Steve?

Actually I think they rushed so much with the kiss, because they were not sure they will bring her back for future films.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Or have them working together like........in the comics.

If you want it to fail........sure. Cap already has a number of allies who join him in the field. The last thing the character needs is to be redundant.

 

[Loki882]

Sharon's story clearly suffered by them deciding to make this "Avengers 3 in everything but name." She doesn't get a lot to do in TWS, but there was a semi-plausible foundation to build a relationship between her and Steve moving forward. But by deciding to shove most of the Avengers into this (including ones like Hawkeye and Ant Man, who really have no reason to be here outside of fanservice) Sharon (and Crossbones for that matter, he's wasted here as well) are unfortunately lost in the shuffle.

So her "relationship" with Steve feels terribly rushed and entirely unearned (and most of the supposed progression happens offscreen to boot). And then there's just incredibly dumb stuff like releasing promo stuff of her being on Team Cap, when she really isn't in the actual film.

 

[Voltron]

Because they fed up with heterosexual pairings. It's got very boring, I suppose. They have seen everything about it and don't have any single LGBT couple at all. And actually Stucky is not like other M/M ships, because it has actual roots in canon. That's why Russos call their relationship a "love story": it follows all the romantic tropes you usually have with canon ships. If Bucky were a woman, no one would have any doubt that Steve is crazy in love with Becky Barnes.

Haha, it just seems now that all the media ships Stucky, not just fandom on tumbler. It's all over the internet. For example, the recent I've seen is from the Vulture:

Stucky is not going to happen. These fans are deluded. SebStan in a few interviews has expressed that he wants TWS to be paired with BW. The Russos were and online media like Vulture/Vanity Fair are queer baiting. I've already mentioned my suspicion that the Russos from the onset disliked the character of Sharon even BEFORE EVC was cast.