Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[Voltron]

Why didn't they keep this deleted scene? It didn't have that dumb gun holster line. I much prefer this to the one in the final cut where it can easily be substituted for and it shows them seating, drinking and talking. I love the outfit talk.

http://dangerhamster.co.vu/post/149721082911/cartersharon-cacw-deleted-scene-sharon-and

 

[BullMcGiveny]

They needed to make room for BW/BP making eyes at each other.

 

[ScarlettW]

^^BW and BP have more chemistry than Steve and Sharon.

This scene of Steve and Sharon is uncomfortable because her aunt just died, she seems more interested in flirting with Steve. Funeral is not a place to do it. The bar scene proves that they have no chemistry.

 

[Voltron]

^^BW and BP DOES NOT have more chemistry than Steve and Sharon.

This scene of Steve and Sharon is comfortable EVEN THOUGH her GREAT aunt just died, she DOES NOT seem TO BE more interested in flirting with Steve. WAKE is a place to do it. The bar scene proves that they have GREAT chemistry.

There I fixed it for you. t:

 

[Voltron]

They needed to make room for BW/BP making eyes at each other.

Yeah Russos want BW to have googly eyes with everyone and to suck up all the screen time because she's their no. 1 character.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

^^BW and BP have more chemistry than Steve and Sharon.

This scene of Steve and Sharon is uncomfortable because her aunt just died, she seems more interested in flirting with Steve. Funeral is not a place to do it. The bar scene proves that they have no chemistry.

So Sharon's father's aunt dies and it would be improper for her but T'Challa's dad dies and he gets a pass?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yeah Russos want BW to have googly eyes with everyone and to suck up all the screen time because she's their no. 1 character.

Maybe they were trying to foist BW on the Black Panther movie.

 

[Rote]

I was glad to get my iTunes copy and finally see this scene, because it confirmed my assumption back in May, that this scene has been obviously reshooted. Their conversation here is basically the same as in the actual film, aside from the outfit bit and icky flirting. I'm very glad, that they have changed it and it can't be considered canon now, all this smiling and flirting right after the funeral is just so gross. Sharon doesn't seem sad about Peggy's death a one bit. And yeah, another chemistry test was failed here.

This scene isn't much longer than the lobby one in the movie, so it's not like they deleted it, because it didn't fit the pacing or because of the limited time. I suspect, that the scene was changed, because test audience didn't like it for the obvious reasons, but they had to save the kiss scene for the NO HOMO flag. And the Russos were very well aware, how out of left field that kiss was, that's why they said, it's a surprise and that people won't be able to guess, between whom it is.
Sharon Carter, Agent of B.E.A.R.D

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Sharon doesn't seem sad about Peggy's death a one bit. And yeah, another chemistry test was failed here.

It might be that they're not that closely related, and that Peggy died after suffering alzheimer and after quite a long life.

 

[Rote]

It might be that they're not that closely related, and that Peggy died after suffering alzheimer and after quite a long life.

The movie established, that they were PRETTY close, no matter of their blood bond. Sharon evidently often had talked to Peggy by phone as we saw in TWS, they were close enough for Peggy to give Sharon her first gun holster, while actual mother wasn't that supportive and, the most important, they were close enough for Sharon to remember Peggy's words about "No, you move".

I'm not saying that Sharon should have cried a river of tears, but that smiling and joyful flirting right after the funeral is really gross. Guess why else have they changed this scene?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

You know what I find funny? People are always on about how Steve is into Sharon because Steve loves Peggy that much and at the same time firmly believe that Steve kissing Sharon was due to Marvel not wanting people to think Cap is gay because of how devoted he is to Bucky.

Surely, Steve "being in love with Peggy" would be all the beard one needs.

Anway, of course, Sharon being demoted to extra is EVC's fault because chemistry or some other buzz word. Her fault and her fault alone. She held a gun to the Russo's head or something.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

The movie established, that they were PRETTY close, no matter of their blood bond. Sharon evidently often had talked to Peggy by phone as we saw in TWS,

You mean when she was undercover, posing as a nurse named Kate?

they were close enough for Peggy to give Sharon her first gun holster, while actual mother wasn't that supportive

A gun holster, sure. Not exactly a kidney.

and, the most important, they were close enough for Sharon to remember Peggy's words about "No, you move".

She remember something quotable she once said. Big whoop.

 

[Rote]

Once again. Guess why else have they changed this scene?

Well, Peggy is dead and they needed to give Steve some new love interest, as the Russos said themselves: "We can only keep him romantically uninvolved for so long".
But I don't see any other reason, why else they have scaled down Sharon's role so significantly. Initially, she was in a airport fight, also had extended role in the scenes in Berlin. Had this date scene with Steve. But what we've got in the final cut? There is no actual romance whatsoever. They deleted basically all the flirting and attraction, Sharon and Steve come out as just Steve and Maria Hill, aside from the awkward kiss, which, I bet, was left for the purposes of NO HOMO + SamBucky's hilarious reactions, which people love so much.
I've got a copy of the official Civil War artbook. Guess what? There is much info about Wanda and Vision and their budding romance, but nothing about SteveSharon at all. And actually just one poor page about Sharon, where they talk about her costume a bit. That's all.
I think, the Russos are smart guys, they saw the lack of chemistry, they saw, that VanCamp is such a poor actress, and that is the actual reason her role was scaled down so much.

 

[Rote]

A gun holster, sure. Not exactly a kidney.

But still something meaningful. I've totally got the impression, that she was like a grandma for Sharon. And people are supposed to be sad at their grandma's funerals.

People are always on about how Steve is into Sharon because Steve loves Peggy that much and at the same time firmly believe that Steve kissing Sharon was due to Marvel not wanting people to think Cap is gay because of how devoted he is to Bucky.

I don't see a problem there. But people on this forum think that bisexual people just don't exist. Don't want to begin the same conversation all over again. I've already expressed my opinion. And yes, Steve clearly loved Peggy that much, it's for everybody to see during all the movies, he's in. But it's totally possible for him being a bi and loving Bucky even before Peggy, but not wanting to do anything about it because of the homophobic 40s.
But I wish my favorite character to move on with his life, and I would be happy even with Maria Hill, because, yes, she's not related to Peggy. And Sharon - it's Steve's projecting, it's not moving on from Peggy at all, it's exatly the opposite, especially the way they've depicted it in Civil War.
Maybe if the actress were good... Maybe if they had a great chemistry, I would have reconsidered my attitude. But it's just not there.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Well, Peggy is dead and they needed to give Steve some new love interest, as the Russos said themselves: "We can only keep him romantically uninvolved for so long".

So? Someone he allegedly loves dying doesn't break the curse of heterosexuality.

Once again. Guess why else have they changed this scene?

But I don't see any other reason, why else they have scaled down Sharon's role so significantly. Initially, she was in a airport fight, also had extended role in the scenes in Berlin. Had this date scene with Steve. But what we've got in the final cut? There is no actual romance whatsoever. They deleted basically all the flirting and attraction, Sharon and Steve come out as just Steve and Maria Hill, aside from the awkward kiss, which, I bet, was left for the purposes of NO HOMO + SamBucky's hilarious reactions, which people love so much.
I got the copy of official Civil War artbook. Guess what? There is much info about Wanda and Vision and their budding romance, but nothing about SteveSharon at all. And actually just one poor page about Sharon, where they talk about her costume a bit. That's all.

Because the Russos don't care about Sharon, and they don't care what shape Steve's romance is, apparently.

They looove the Avengers and other headliners, though, and want as much of them no matter what. Which is why they shoehorn things irrelevant to a Captain America movie, like Spider-Man, Vision and Wanda.

They're after the prestige of working on the Avengers, and if they have to keep hacking away at Sharon's role to get it, they're more than happy to do so, apparently.

I think, the Russos are smart guys, they saw the lack of chemistry, they saw, that VanCamp is such a poor actress, and that is the actual reason her role was scaled down so much.

I think if the Russos really thought EVC was so bad, they would have cast someone else. And they had two chances already.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

But people on this forum think that bisexual people just don't exist.

Pretty rich given that you think Steve kissing Sharon is a no homo.

 

[Rote]

Well, tell me then, what was the purpose to cut basically all the romance, but keep only the kiss, which came out of nowhere without any development? It stinks with NO HOMO vibes, which was pointed out even by the professional critics from Forbes. I wouldn't consider it as such with a proper development. So, yeah, don't see a point to argue about it, we will never know for sure. I suspect this, you suspect that.

Because the Russos don't care about Sharon, and they don't care what shape Steve's romance is, apparently.

They looove the Avengers and other headliners, though, and want as much of them no matter what. Which is why they shoehorn things irrelevant to a Captain America movie, like Spider-Man, Vision and Wanda.

They're after the prestige of working on the Avengers, and if they have to keep hacking away at Sharon's role to get it, they're more than happy to do so, apparently.

Once again. It's not about the lack of time. They had ALREADY shooted the bar scene. This bar scene has the same conversation and is maybe only a 10 seconds longer, than the lobby scene in the movie. But they've still reshooted it, changing it. Why? Do you really think, it's because they hate Sharon so much, that wanted to give Nat an extra 10 seconds?

I think if the Russos really thought EVC was so bad, they would have cast someone else. And they had two chances already.

Are you really that sure it was the Russos, who casted VanCamp? They talked with enthusiasm about all the actors, even about Freeman, who has almost a cameo, aside from her.

 

[ScarlettW]

Steve can still bi and have interest in kissing Sharon, Natasha, Maria, Wanda t:

Sharon had a connection with her aunt, they were close, so it's uncomfortable to see her flirting with Steve at the funeral when she was to show sadness.
I liked the scenes between them in that storyboard video than those the Russos chose to shoot.

Voltron, Scarlett has chemistry with BP, but I don't want a romance between them as some fans are waiting. Their scenes were well written, even the deleted.

Steve looks more in love with Peggy in TFA than with Sharon in the scenes of CW.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

It's not about the lack of time. They had ALREADY shooted the bar scene. This bar scene has the same conversation and is maybe only a 10 seconds longer, than the lobby scene in the movie. But they've still reshooted it, changing it. Why? Do you really think, it's because they hate Sharon so much, that wanted to give Nat an extra 10 seconds?

Directors shoot multiple

Not hate, but utterly unconcerned with.

Are you really that sure it was the Russos, who casted VanCamp? They talked with enthusiasm about all the actors, even about Freeman, who has almost a cameo, aside from her.

Yes, I'm sure. She was hired well after the Russos. Who else would've?

 

[Rote]

So, I've listened to some parts of the Audiocommentary from the Russos and M&M.

Scene Sharon and Steve at the elevator
They come closer to each other
PAUSE....
Joe Russo: But Sebastian Stan and his work in The Winter Soldier ...


And then M&M:

And YES. They've confirmed, that Steve likes Sharon because of Peggy.

Directors shoot multiple

So? They usually shot multiple takes, but in one setting. Simple logic: the lobby scene is 1 min long, the bar scene is 1 min and 10-15 seconds long. They could have cut the bit about the outfit and then the conversations would have been 100% similar. But no, they decided to completely reshoot bar scene. Why? Because they needed 10 extra seconds to give BW? Ridiculous. It's because the bar scene is inappropriate.

Yes, I'm sure. She was hired well after the Russos. Who else would've?

I'm still sticking to my "Disney forced them because of Revenge" theory. Because Russos are generous guys, if they liked VanCamp a one bit, they would have praised her just like all the other actors.

Sharon had a connection with her aunt, they were close, so it's uncomfortable to see her flirting with Steve at the funeral when she was to show sadness.

It's true. In the deleted scene Sharon specifically talks about her time with Peggy as "best moments".
Also, I've noticed, that Sam in this version doesn't poke Steve, when Sharon appears to make a speech.

 

[Mike5575]

Why are people still talking about Sharon Carter? That's just weird.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I'm still sticking to my "Disney forced them because of Revenge" theory.

And people call me a conspiracy theorist.

 

[TheVileOne]

Some of the stuff that gets posted on message boards sometimes...unbelievable.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

In case that comment is directed at me...

This is a Sharon Carter discussion thread. A deleted scene with Sharon is out, so people are talking about it.

What else would people be talking about on these threads in these forums?

 

[Mike5575]

In case that comment is directed at me...

This is a Sharon Carter discussion thread. A deleted scene with Sharon is out, so people are talking about it.

What else would people be talking about on these threads in these forums?

Oh, so that's it. Yeah, I don't know. I thought that Nat and T'Challa had way more chemistry than Cap and Sharon. I just didn't like the idea of Cap and Sharon getting all cozy after a funeral.

"So, my aunt's dead. Wanna go shag?"