Civil War She'll put a hex on you! The official Scarlet Witch thread

[Loki882]

StevexPeggy has very much been played up as a "what might have been," type of dynamic. There was clearly a great deal of attraction between the two (they did work together for years, even if the film's pacing didn't do a great job of showing the passage of time), and they were both interested in potentially exploring a relationship. But even that chance got taken away from them due to Cap getting frozen, so there's regret there.

 

[TalismanRing]

Steve & Peggy are a mighty might have been but I think it's obvious they were also in love during the years they knew and worked together. They didn't get their chance for HEA because of war and then death and time but they were in love. The movies and Agent Carter have both played heavily into this.

A kiss, a dance or sex are not the criteria for romantic love.

Tony had meaningless sex with that reporter (and scores of others) but it was Pepper who loved him and cried over his return. Pepper who probably had loved him for years until he realized he felt the same in IM and he hadn't even had sex with her. Go figure.

 

[sergeantbucky]

I agree with Loki.

No you don't have to have sex to be in love, but either way I don't think it was obvious they were in love. Yeah, they flirted, but Peggy and Steve's potential relationship was highly romanticized, by the films and by the characters themselves. Marvel played up their "tragic" separation and unrequited crushes, painting them as star-crossed lovers. Steggy shippers took that shipbait and ran with it.

 

[Mike5575]

Steve & Peggy are a mighty might have been but I think it's obvious they were also in love during the years they knew and worked together. They didn't get their chance for HEA because of war and then death and time but they were in love. The movies and Agent Carter have both played heavily into this.

A kiss, a dance or sex are not the criteria for romantic love.

Tony had meaningless sex with that reporter (and scores of others) but it was Pepper who loved him and cried over his return. Pepper who probably had loved him for years until he realized he felt the same in IM and he hadn't even had sex with her. Go figure.

And I'm not saying they weren't in love with eachother because they didn't have sex. My point being is that it would have looked creepy if Steve had slept with Peggy, and then later getting in a relationship with Sharon.

 

[universeman]

Ok after reading everything where do I begin? ok first R2 is a droid, a awesome droid who will have your back who I think is a lot better doing things than Vision. Second to whoever said about VisionxWanda not having there backstory from the comics, I agree its the main reason why I shipped them. Third I'm afraid that some people may see StevexSharon as the next best thing, since he couldn't be with Peggy then Sharon since she's a Carter and related to Peggy would be the next best thing to him or at least some people may see it that way. Last but not least Marvel is no longer the number 1 kid in Disney eyes that goes to Star Wars Disney has already proved that by being more focus on TFA than AOU making sure there are no leaks revealing the plotline, bringing SW to Comic Con instead of Marvel, really there pushing Marvel aside for Star Wars I can already see it.

 

[Mike5575]

R2 is a robot. He's all parts. Droid is just another name for that. Funny, I didn't know that R2 had superhuman strengths, can zap people with a laser beam, can phase through matter and can actually talk.

Star Wars is getting a reboot. We haven't even seen the movie yet, it could suck, you know. Depending on how well it is received, Disney could focus on more Star Wars movies, but Marvel has too much momentum with all the great movies they have put out. Marvel is the single largest movies empire that has ever existed. There is really no comparison. Sorry, but Star Wars is nothing and will continue to be nothing until they prove themselves with this next film.

The reason Marvel isn't doing Comic Con anymore is because they're too big for that. They need their own showing just for them.

 

[universeman]

R2 is a robot. He's all parts. Droid is just another name for that. Funny, I didn't know that R2 had superhuman strengths, can zap people with a laser beam, can phase through matter and can actually talk.

Star Wars is getting a reboot. We haven't even seen the movie yet, it could suck, you know. Depending on how well it is received, Disney could focus on more Star Wars movies, but Marvel has too much momentum with all the great movies they have put out. Marvel is the single largest movies empire that has ever existed. There is really no comparison. Sorry, but Star Wars is nothing and will continue to be nothing until they prove themselves with this next film.

The reason Marvel isn't doing Comic Con anymore is because they're too big for that. They need their own showing just for them.

Ok first R2 doesn't need superpowers, if he is all parts then so is Vision, yes he cant talk but that doesn't mean he doesn't have feelings he does care about Luke/Han/Leia/Chewie/C-3PO. t: Second SW isn't getting a reboot it takes place after Return Of The Jedi it has the original cast in it. Third SW isn't nothing? a lot of people I mean a lot of people will disagree with you SW is the biggest thing in movie history it was voted number 1 movie everyone is looking forward to while AOU was voted number 2, it almost broke the internet when the first trailer got released. Also that studio where Marvel made there P3A at its own by Disney, that's how Marvel could do that since Marvel is owned by Disney just like SW is owned by Disney.

 

[MbJ]

I'm laughing at this assertion that Star Wars is nothing and "needs to prove itself" with the next movie. Star Wars is one of the most influential and heavily referenced film franchises ever made, what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Spitfire]

Star Wars has maintained a huge fanbase for over 30 years (even with the three dodgy sequels). The new movie stars Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewie and even with average reviews is probably going to make more money than FF7 and AoU.

Not sure why we are discussing Star Wars in the Scarlet Witch thread!

 

[TalismanRing]

And I'm not saying they weren't in love with eachother because they didn't have sex. My point being is that it would have looked creepy if Steve had slept with Peggy, and then later getting in a relationship with Sharon.

My point is that if Tony had "died" at the end f Iron Man and then been resurrected 70 years later a romantic relationship with Pepper's grandniece would have been far creepier than one with the reporter's family. It's not the sex that makes it creepy it's the love and the emotions.

Hence why Peter Pan flying into Wendy's window for her but finding her too old and leaving with her granddaughter has always been creepy and always sucked.

 

[TalismanRing]

I'm laughing at this assertion that Star Wars is nothing and "needs to prove itself" with the next movie. Star Wars is one of the most influential and heavily referenced film franchises ever made, what the hell are you talking about?

Agreed, the general audience will eat it up, like they did for JP. Nostalgia creates very rosy glasses where all those weak and or horrible prequel and sequels (for JP) are forgotten. In Star Wars case there's been a constant stream of material from the brand that's been introduced to a new generation along with the original films.

That said, I clearly remember all the prequels and they'll have to prove it to me to get me in the theater again for another.

As for Disney, they are big enough to have multiple mega franchises. Having Pixar didn't hurt or keep them from creating or promoting Disney Animation. Marvel won't be at SDCC because Disney wants it for their personal Expo and they had their big slate news done last year in October outside of SDCC. Logistically, Ant-Man opens before SDCC this year and Civil War will be deep in filming instead of near the end like it was for TWS and AOU because it got a later start date due to the AOU publicity.

 

[Mike5575]

I'm laughing at this assertion that Star Wars is nothing and "needs to prove itself" with the next movie. Star Wars is one of the most influential and heavily referenced film franchises ever made, what the hell are you talking about?

There's obviously a lot of hype, but nobody knows if this film will be any good tbh. I'm sure it will make bank at the box office, but its way premature for someone to say Star Wars has dethroned Marvel anyway as Disney's #1 moneymaker. I guess you forgot about the prequels? They weren't any good.

 

[MbJ]

I guess you forgot about the prequels? They weren't any good.

You're mistaken or missing the point of why people refuted your post. It had nothing to do with saying the sequel might be bad but your flat out erroneous assertion that Star Wars is a "nothing" franchise that nobody cares about. Even the crappy prequels did not somehow retroactively kill the popularity of the franchise or erase it's influence on cinema.

 

[Mike5575]

You're mistaken or missing the point of why people refuted your post. It had nothing to do with saying the sequel might be bad but your flat out erroneous assertion that Star Wars is a "nothing" franchise that nobody cares about. Even the crappy prequels did not somehow retroactively kill the popularity of the franchise or erase it's influence on cinema.

I was comparing Star Wars to Marvel. Someone basically claimed that Star Wars has now dethroned Marvel as Disney's #1 moneymaker. I may have exaggerated a bit, but when comparing it to Marvel, Star Wars is nothing. There hasn't been any Star Wars movies released in years. It's possible Star Wars may outsell AOU, but its not outselling Marvel.

 

[universeman]

That was me who said Disney sees Star Wars as the number 1 child sorry guys, but it can't outsell Marvel? I think it already has I mean I love Marvel but if you put it against Star Wars I think Star Wars would win. Anyway looking forward to December 18 may the force be with you guys t:

 

[Mike5575]

That was me who said Disney sees Star Wars as the number 1 child sorry guys, but it can't outsell Marvel? I think it already has I mean I love Marvel but if you put it against Star Wars I think Star Wars would win. Anyway looking forward to December 18 may the force be with you guys t:

Unless Star Wars builds its own cinematic universe, its not even coming close to outselling Marvel. What makes you even think Star Wars has outsold Marvel? The proof is in the pudding. Marvel is the numer one movie franchise in the world. This is not hype, but is supported by actuall numbers. Do the homework if you don't believe me.

 

[TalismanRing]

They're both important to Disney. They paid $4b for each.

In terms of tickets sold or adjusted box office the first Star Wars is still by far the biggest of the series and the only SW movie that did bigger business than Avengers WW(even domestically it's the only one that dwarfs Avengers - with Avengers doing significantly better than two of them and a bit less than three others) WW, AOU and IM 3 have also done better than at least four out of six (maybe 5/6) SW movies.

My guess is the first Star Wars sequel in this reboot will be the biggest one since Phantom Menace. How the series continues from then on out is the big question.

Regardless, Marvel releases 2 and soon to be 3 movies a year. Star Wars movies are planned at one a year for the next 5 years. In terms of B.O my bet is Marvel will continue bringing in more revenue. Either way Disney is crying all the way to the bank.

 

[universeman]

Unless Star Wars builds its own cinematic universe, its not even coming close to outselling Marvel. What makes you even think Star Wars has outsold Marvel? The proof is in the pudding. Marvel is the numer one movie franchise in the world. This is not hype, but is supported by actuall numbers. Do the homework if you don't believe me.

Star Wars doesn't need to build a cinematic universe there bigger than that, Marvel isn't the number one movie franchise in the world, didn't you just hear what everyone was telling you about Star Wars being the number 1 movie franchise in the world. t: Also some of those Marvel movies like TWS, the Russo's when they first met with Kevin and looked at the Steve/Bucky storyline the first thing they said was this is Star Wars, some people are saying TWS was like ESB. When people first saw GOTG one of the first things they said was it felt like watching Star Wars, Pratt said they based Star Lord on 2 people first Marty Mcfly second Han Solo. If Marvel is so big its because it took some notes from Star Wars t:

 

[Stevie2020]

I agree with Loki.

No you don't have to have sex to be in love, but either way I don't think it was obvious they were in love. Yeah, they flirted, but Peggy and Steve's potential relationship was highly romanticized, by the films and by the characters themselves. Marvel played up their "tragic" separation and unrequited crushes, painting them as star-crossed lovers. Steggy shippers took that shipbait and ran with it.

The movie did as much as it was going to do as an action movie to indicate that those two were a designated love match. I mean, mutual crushes, send off smooch in speeding car and tearful goodbyes...I'm pretty much convinced that is love. Comic book movie character love. And better depicted than, say, the 48-hour true love match between Thor and Jane. (Or Brutasha, uggh...)

That said, MCU Marvel didn't/doesn't play this up as much as fans do.

-In TFA, Steve awoke to his new time with the wistful, "I had a date."

-No reference to Steggy at all in the Avengers (deleted scene doesn't count).

-In TWS, Steve indulges in some nostaligia courtesy of the Smithsonian, is involved in a modern day platonic Steggy friendzoneship, and is apparently on the verge of moving forward.

-AoU does endulge Steggy a bit, but only as a way to show that Steve is still anchored to the past. And to show that his romantic life is very limited. And to shore up Brutasha and counter-point the family Barton.

(Now, if you want to add in Agent Carter, I might yield that as Marvel playing it up, but it also supports the obviousness of the love she felt for him, with the loss still relatively fresh.)

That's about it for MCU playing it up. The rest is on the fans. And the mischief making of Evans & Atwell.

Now, speaking as someone who ships them hard (Steggy, not Evans/Atwell), here's a fanfic-worthy notion that is actually on-topic: Wanda will use probability magic, possibly with an assist from Dr. Strange (in a surprise cameo) as a way to "park" Steve's consciousness after he is shot down at the end of Civil war. He'll be sent back to some event prior to the crashing of the Valkyrie -- or maybe that very event, where he will miraculously "choose" to flip a transponder switch or something or find a way to keep the Tesseract from leaving the plane, and be found and unfrozen in his own time. Hello multiverse!

Then, they'll find a way to retrieve his consciousness from that universe, after he's lived out his HEA in that alternate reality, just in time for IW1.

Excuse me while I go write down that awesome fanfic.

 

[universeman]

The movie did as much as it was going to do as an action movie to indicate that those two were a designated love match. I mean, mutual crushes, send off smooch in speeding car and tearful goodbyes...I'm pretty much convinced that is love. Comic book movie character love. And better depicted than, say, the 48-hour true love match between Thor and Jane. (Or Brutasha, uggh...)

That said, MCU Marvel didn't/doesn't play this up as much as fans do.

-In TFA, Steve awoke to his new time with the wistful, "I had a date."

-No reference to Steggy at all in the Avengers (deleted scene doesn't count).

-In TWS, Steve indulges in some nostaligia courtesy of the Smithsonian, is involved in a modern day platonic Steggy friendzoneship, and is apparently on the verge of moving forward.

-AoU does endulge Steggy a bit, but only as a way to show that Steve is still anchored to the past. And to show that his romantic life is very limited. And to shore up Brutasha and counter-point the family Barton.

(Now, if you want to add in Agent Carter, I might yield that as Marvel playing it up, but it also supports the obviousness of the love she felt for him, with the loss still relatively fresh.)

That's about it for MCU playing it up. The rest is on the fans. And the mischief making of Evans & Atwell.

Now, speaking as someone who ships them hard (Steggy, not Evans/Atwell), here's a fanfic-worthy notion that is actually on-topic: Wanda will use probability magic, possibly with an assist from Dr. Strange (in a surprise cameo) as a way to "park" Steve's consciousness after he is shot down at the end of Civil war. He'll be sent back to some event prior to the crashing of the Valkyrie -- or maybe that very event, where he will miraculously "choose" to flip a transponder switch or something or find a way to keep the Tesseract from leaving the plane, and be found and unfrozen in his own time. Hello multiverse!

Then, they'll find a way to retrieve his consciousness from that universe, after he's lived out his HEA in that alternate reality, just in time for IW1.

Excuse me while I go write down that awesome fanfic.

I really hope they don't do that, really if it was me I would just have Bucky give his life for Steve taking the bullet for him. The Russo's has said Stucky reminded them of Star Wars aka Luke/Vader, and we all know how that ended. Also the idea of Steve killing a little boy's Dad, and that little boy grows up to be Zemo well that to me would make a great tragic story if they go by the comics that is.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Anyway, on the subject of Wanda, did anyone else order the Hot Toys AoU Scarlet Witch? She looks awesome and I can't wait for her to come in.

 

[Mike5575]

I really hope they don't do that, really if it was me I would just have Bucky give his life for Steve taking the bullet for him. The Russo's has said Stucky reminded them of Star Wars aka Luke/Vader, and we all know how that ended. Also the idea of Steve killing a little boy's Dad, and that little boy grows up to be Zemo well that to me would make a great tragic story if they go by the comics that is.

Again with the Star Wars, lol.

 

[universeman]

Again with the Star Wars, lol.

Well that's what they said as of matter of fact

It’s one of the first things we said to Kevin [Feige] when we met with him. We said, “You know this is ‘Star Wars.'” It’s an operatic conflict between two family members. This is his best friend who is essentially his brother. They’re both equally matched and they have equal power sets. And they’re fighting for opposite principles.

So there are parallels between Steve/Bucky, Luke/Vader, mix with Luke/Han. Really I'm tire of arguing with you, I got better things to do than argue with someone about Scarletamerica/Scarlet Vision, R2/Vision, and Star Wars vs Marvel good day to you sir and I bid you farewell. t:

 

[sergeantbucky]

Well that's what they said as of matter of fact So there are parallels between Steve/Bucky, Luke/Vader, mix with Luke/Han. Really I'm tire of arguing with you, I got better things to do than argue with someone about Scarletamerica/Scarlet Vision, R2/Vision, and Star Wars vs Marvel good day to you sir and I bid you farewell.

Look dude, there are going to be parallels between most major franchises. Have you heard of tropes? The Hero's Journey, etc? Most big blockbusters are formulaic to some extent. So you could find parts of Harry Potter that seem to parallel Marvel movies that parallel Star Wars that parallel the Hunger Games.

Arguing that the Russo's are remaking Star Wars by way of the MCU is futile. They may compare relationships between the characters they're working with with those between Star Wars characters, but it in no way means that they will end up the same way.

 

[universeman]

Look dude, there are going to be parallels between most major franchises. Have you heard of tropes? The Hero's Journey, etc? Most big blockbusters are formulaic to some extent. So you could find parts of Harry Potter that seem to parallel Marvel movies that parallel Star Wars that parallel the Hunger Games.

Arguing that the Russo's are remaking Star Wars by way of the MCU is futile. They may compare relationships between the characters they're working with with those between Star Wars characters, but it in no way means that they will end up the same way.

Well I was just never mind it isn't worth it, anyway I think I was better off as a lurker below the radar to be honest. I just don't fit in here, when I first found out about this place I thought why not I may end up making some friends here. So far its been nothing but the opposite but I'm used to it by now.