Civil War She'll put a hex on you! The official Scarlet Witch thread

[eddy]

lol universeman don't let them scare you off.

 

[Voltron]

Well I was just never mind it isn't worth it, anyway I think I was better off as a lurker below the radar to be honest. I just don't fit in here, when I first found out about this place I thought why not I may end up making some friends here. So far its been nothing but the opposite but I'm used to it by now.

It's all just a friendly debate, and at times I've come across heated ones myself. Don't take it personally, and just take it easy. That's what forums and msgboards are for, offering and reading facts and different opinions and arguments.

 

[Spitfire]

Well I was just never mind it isn't worth it, anyway I think I was better off as a lurker below the radar to be honest. I just don't fit in here, when I first found out about this place I thought why not I may end up making some friends here. So far its been nothing but the opposite but I'm used to it by now.

Don't become a lurker again universeman. Keep posting!

Let's start talking about Wanda again: Does anyone hope she gets a scene in CW as awesome as when she pulls out Ultrons 'heart' in AoU?

 

[universeman]

Don't become a lurker again universeman. Keep posting!

Let's start talking about Wanda again: Does anyone hope she gets a scene in CW as awesome as when she pulls out Ultrons 'heart' in AoU?

Don't worry I'm not going back to a lurker, and yes I hope she gets a amazing scene. But I got to be honest there's a part of me that feels Marvel is biting off more than they can chew, with a big cast, different storylines, and this isn't even a Avengers movie its a Cap movie.

 

[TeeKay]

A good soldier was lost today.

 

[universeman]

A good soldier was lost today.

What happened? who was it?

 

[MbJ]

Anyway, on the subject of Wanda, did anyone else order the Hot Toys AoU Scarlet Witch? She looks awesome and I can't wait for her to come in.

I'm hoping when Civil War comes out there's some good stuff for her. I was a little worried that they didn't mention her at all when talking about which characters would be highlighted in the marketing.

Paul Gitter, senior VP of licensing for Marvel at Disney Consumer Products said that they will build off the success of licensed products for Avengers: Age of Ultron, including a focus on a celebration of Captain America’s 75th anniversary, female apparel, healthy living and travel, and on marketing newer characters such as War Machine, Falcon, Vision, Black Widow and Black Panther.

Hope that was just a typo or Glitter forgot.

 

[universeman]

I'm hoping when Civil War comes out there's some good stuff for her. I was a little worried that they didn't mention her at all when talking about which characters would be highlighted in the marketing.



Hope that was just a typo or Glitter forgot.

Well wasn't there a report where it said Disney is targeting Marvel at boys? if that is true then I can understand why they don't want to make any Scarlet Witch stuff for the marketing. It may be hard to sell it while the others wouldn't be hard to sell to boys, I mean what boy would want a Scarlet Witch toy? oh wait this boy that's who Lol.

 

[Mike5575]

Well wasn't there a report where it said Disney is targeting Marvel at boys? if that is true then I can understand why they don't want to make any Scarlet Witch stuff for the marketing. It may be hard to sell it while the others wouldn't be hard to sell to boys, I mean what boy would want a Scarlet Witch toy? oh wait this boy that's who Lol.

According to Disney, little girls only like princesses. SW is not a princess.

 

[universeman]

According to Disney, little girls only like princesses. SW is not a princess.

Yep she no princess, but I see Black Widow is in the marketing while Scarlet Witch isn't.

 

[Spitfire]

Yep she no princess, but I see Black Widow is in the marketing while Scarlet Witch isn't.

So Marvel are going to ignore the only female team member with superpowers? Hopefully the toy companies will know how popular SW is and include her as well.

 

[Mike5575]

So Marvel are going to ignore the only female team member with superpowers? Hopefully the toy companies will know how popular SW is and include her as well.

Scarlet Witch is still a bit of a newbie. Give it time and everyone will warm up to her. BW has a lot of momentum going forward considering all the films she's been in.

Scarlet Witch's costume is flashier than BWs plain black outfit, so given time, her toys will become more popular than BWs.

 

[sergeantbucky]

So Marvel are going to ignore the only female team member with superpowers? Hopefully the toy companies will know how popular SW is and include her as well.

I am optimistic that they will. We saw how Funko reacted to the outcry over them not releasing Scarlet Witch or Black Widow Pops - they made them! I think Marvel and their marketing partners are waking up to their female audience.

 

[MbJ]

I am optimistic that they will. We saw how Funko reacted to the outcry over them not releasing Scarlet Witch or Black Widow Pops - they made them! I think Marvel and their marketing partners are waking up to their female audience.

Some are worried that they may be downplaying Scarlet Witch because she's still shared with Fox.

There was a recent licensing image and it had a lot of the newer properties (Black Panther, the Inhumans, Vision, ect) but conspicuously no Scarlet Witch. Even the rest of the New Avengers are there.

The backlash against the lack of Black Widow toys from women seems to have helped but it'll still be a while before we know what they do with SW on the merchandising front.

 

[PyroChamber]

Some are worried that they may be downplaying Scarlet Witch because she's still shared with Fox.

There was a recent licensing image and it had a lot of the newer properties (Black Panther, the Inhumans, Vision, ect) but conspicuously no Scarlet Witch. Even the rest of the New Avengers are there.

The backlash against the lack of Black Widow toys from women seems to have helped but it'll still be a while before we know what they do with SW on the merchandising front.

They always change that poster every few years.

Remember this one...

That was before the MCU even started, then came this one after Avengers became a hit...

Are they even doing anything with Wanda right now in the comics? Because I don't think I've seen her in any of the Secret Wars titles.

 

[Spitfire]

Some are worried that they may be downplaying Scarlet Witch because she's still shared with Fox.

There was a recent licensing image and it had a lot of the newer properties (Black Panther, the Inhumans, Vision, ect) but conspicuously no Scarlet Witch. Even the rest of the New Avengers are there.

The backlash against the lack of Black Widow toys from women seems to have helped but it'll still be a while before we know what they do with SW on the merchandising front.

If there is a problem I hope Marvel can find a solution as SW is the first female with super powers and is very important. I think because she has such strong powers younger male fans would be more interested in merchandise featuring her than Black Widow. Showing that younger males fans will buy stuff including female characters is the biggest hurdle (they are the toy companies main consumer group) and SW could help to tackle this.

 

[MbJ]

I think because she has such strong powers younger male fans would be more interested in merchandise featuring her than Black Widow.

I don't think so. From the very beginning the problem was on the industry and distributors. The same discussions were coming up last year when people were pointing out stuff like Gamora getting shafted or replaced in GOTG merchandise. Even though there were some Gamora figs, it was less than the stuff being done for the guy characters, which happened in the Avengers franchise as well.

The problem was never that Black Widow stuff doesn't sell, the problem was that the toy companies weren't making much of it, hence the entire controversy. That's not going to magically change just because Scarlet Witch is around. Until the two characters start getting the same marketing push that the men have, the entire issue is moot.

Which is why it's encouraging that they mentioned Widow along with the men in the merchandising pitch.

Are they even doing anything with Wanda right now in the comics? Because I don't think I've seen her in any of the Secret Wars titles.

I don't think so no. She's not featured in Secret Wars. Then again it could all be a coincidence and the speaker forgot to mention her.

 

[warhorse78]

Well wasn't there a report where it said Disney is targeting Marvel at boys? if that is true then I can understand why they don't want to make any Scarlet Witch stuff for the marketing. It may be hard to sell it while the others wouldn't be hard to sell to boys, I mean what boy would want a Scarlet Witch toy? oh wait this boy that's who Lol.

This is a common strategy for all toy companies dealing with superheroes/comic book characters selling action toys. You will see very little female characters. Most of it's just the males and all marketing is aimed at males.

 

[warhorse78]

So Marvel are going to ignore the only female team member with superpowers? Hopefully the toy companies will know how popular SW is and include her as well.

Like I said, when it comes to action figures, toy companies don't give a crap about the girls.

 

[universeman]

Like I said, when it comes to action figures, toy companies don't give a crap about the girls.

I think that may change in September

 

[Spitfire]

I don't think so. From the very beginning the problem was on the industry and distributors. The same discussions were coming up last year when people were pointing out stuff like Gamora getting shafted or replaced in GOTG merchandise. Even though there were some Gamora figs, it was less than the stuff being done for the guy characters, which happened in the Avengers franchise as well.

The problem was never that Black Widow stuff doesn't sell, the problem was that the toy companies weren't making much of it, hence the entire controversy. That's not going to magically change just because Scarlet Witch is around. Until the two characters start getting the same marketing push that the men have, the entire issue is moot.

Which is why it's encouraging that they mentioned Widow along with the men in the merchandising pitch.

Gamora's exclusion was bizarre, but the AoU merchandise was odd as well for a range of characters. The main four always appeared, but it was hit and miss whether we got Hawkeye, BW, Vision, SW or QS.

It will be interesting to see the sales figures for toys that are specifically aimed at younger males if they include female characters. At the moment there is no data and its just speculation by fans that younger girls will buy these. But other merchandise aimed at a wider audience (e.g. Funko Pops) will include a wider range of characters without a doubt which is great.

I must admit that stereotyping is a pet hate of mine and the recent claims that all female fans want a specific product is annoying. But I do hate when a great T-shirt design is offered to guys but the ladies shirt is changed and is usually pink. Urggh!

 

[Suzanne78]

I did get a Scarlet Witch minifig and two action figures for Ian to play with... Also, for me

And i've mostly only bought Avengers Assemble gear for Ian since it is more likely to feature Widow as part of his team... After all, I'm his Black Widow Mommy!

That said, the bozos running the marketing show at Disney are missing out on extra millions of dollars in extra revenue simply b/c of outdated notions of who will/will not buy toys. It's stupid and lame and Hasbro really needs a talking to. Hope it changes for CIVIL WAR.

 

[Suzanne78]

Steve & Peggy are a mighty might have been but I think it's obvious they were also in love during the years they knew and worked together. They didn't get their chance for HEA because of war and then death and time but they were in love. The movies and Agent Carter have both played heavily into this.

A kiss, a dance or sex are not the criteria for romantic love.

Tony had meaningless sex with that reporter (and scores of others) but it was Pepper who loved him and cried over his return. Pepper who probably had loved him for years until he realized he felt the same in IM and he hadn't even had sex with her. Go figure.

Hell, wasn't an entire part of AGENT CARTER that "Everyone Loved Steve"? Including, and not limited to, Howard and Peggy?

That said, why are people minimizing Peggy and her impact on Steve's life? I think it's clear that his feelings for her went beyind a mere crush. It was attraction, maybe, possibly a bit of falling in love during war time, respect, and finally, powerful, longing and regret for what could have been, what time and circumstance cut impossibly short. That type of story leaves an impact on audiences, as well as characters.

Sharon and Steve do have a lot to overcome for CW to become a viable couple in my eyes (particularly with however Steve's arc is finalized in the upcoming movie). But I want to give the Russos, EVC, and Evans a chance to build it up properly if that's where it's heading. I just really hope it's not underbaked like Thor and Jane or twists the characters up (badly, IMO) like Bruce and Natasha did.

But man, reading some of the posts in the forum, not this thread necessarily, makes it hard to post here at times, like i should feel guilty for loving Peggy Carter as much as I do, and for questioning whether Steve and Sharon can be a viable romance...

Also, I'm just hoping that I dig CW's version of Sharon. I really, really need to like her more than the comic's version. I want to love this movie really badly, especially after AoU underwhelmed me.

ETA: holy crap, I thought this was the general news thread! Sorry for derailing the convo further off Scarlet Witch, WHO I ADORED!

 

[universeman]

I did get a Scarlet Witch minifig and two action figures for Ian to play with... Also, for me

And i've mostly only bought Avengers Assemble gear for Ian since it is more likely to feature Widow as part of his team... After all, I'm his Black Widow Mommy!

That said, the bozos running the marketing show at Disney are missing out on extra millions of dollars in extra revenue simply b/c of outdated notions of who will/will not buy toys. It's stupid and lame and Hasbro really needs a talking to. Hope it changes for CIVIL WAR.

Like I said things may change for the better come September

 

[Suzanne78]

Anyway, on the subject of Wanda, did anyone else order the Hot Toys AoU Scarlet Witch? She looks awesome and I can't wait for her to come in.

Okay, how much was she? she did look amazing... Might put it on my Christmas wish list!

I want a cool t-shirt with SW on it!