Because with Raimi fanatics like you, there is no point debating as you guys ignore logic anytime something positive is said and done with the movie.
Or he could easily also say there is no logic when something positive is said about this movie on this issue because it's apologists like you that try to defend poor writing and bastardizations of classic Spidey material.
He could say that. But he's likely to be more respectful than sink to those levels like you have.
I have defended it where it's needed defending, and I have commented on its flaws, but the constant attacking on the franchise because a handful of posters on here found the movie as a butchering to their beloved comics when it's been as faithful if not more so than the Raimi series is beyond ridiculous.
These movies have not even been close to being as faithful to the comics as Raimi's, or any other decent and popular interpretation of Spider-Man.
Popular and decent is one thing these movies are not. I'm not saying the other interpretations have not had their deviations, because they have, but on a scale of 1-10 their deviations are around a 5 where the TASM franchise is at the 8 range after TASM 2.
Yes really. So they switched the order of the Goblins up. Is that really an issue? No. Was it really an issue that Spidey fought Lizard before Norman? No. The minor alteration of the order of the Goblins is such a minor change that it's so ridiculous some are treating it.
The Lizard coming before the Goblin doesn't make an iota of a difference to either of their stories, so that was a silly analogy to make.
Making Harry the Goblin before Norman is like Robin coming before Batman.
He wasn't whiny until he found out his disease. If you were smart and paid attention, you would have noticed prior to the disease information, he was a well educated young man that had a rebellious streak with daddy issues; it was also implied he seemed to have a troubled past, possibly a reference/inspiration of his use of drugs from the comics.
The only reference to his troubled past was his father shipping him off to boarding schools and not giving him any attention.
He was whining from his very first scene. Moaning at Norman for being a lousy dad. He moaned at Peter to find Spidey. He moaned at Spider-Man to give him his blood. He moaned at the board member guy. Moan, moan, moan.
There was no references to implicate anything like the drug abuse from the comics.
And his disease didn't conveniently show up, Norman explained he was at the age that the Osborn disease has typically shown up at. As for ridiculous extremes, people who have large egos tend to go to ridiculous extremes for anything, and of course more so if their life was on the line. We may not have had a mapped out time frame of when he'd die, but him seeing his father pass was a time stamp for him enough for him to do what he did. You might have found it boring, lame, and uncreative, and to that I ask, what other movie has had that same story that it's not creative? What superhero movie has had it?
That's conveniently showing up. Harry is just dropped into the movie, and his first scene is him being told by his father we've never seen before that he's dying and Harry has got the disease, too, like we're supposed to give a crap.
Where is the creativity here?
We're given no reason why we should care Harry is dying. There's no built up relationship between Harry and Peter. He and Peter share one brief scene where they act like friends, and there's zero chemistry between them, and just stupid cheesy dialogue "Do you still not do your own hair?" "My butler holds the mirror and I hold the comb"
Like everything else in this movie, it's rushed and sloppily written.
Not really boring or uncreative. It showed that Harry wasn't stupid. At that point he still didn't know who Spidey was, so yes, to all of a sudden see Gwen of all people where Spidey was, it wasn't hard to put together. This is just a dumb complaint.
Yes, it was boring and uncreative. When the Goblin finds out Spidey's identity, he tortures him, plays mind games with him, and it culminates in the death of Gwen.
Here Harry takes one look at Gwen, grabs her, we get a minute and a half boring struggle between Spidey and Evil Ed, and Gwen dies.
Rushed. Sloppy. Awful.
Funny, guess a vendetta to kill Spidey isn't hurting anyone.
Gwen was there, Harry was insane at this point, he was in Green Goblin mode. It worked.
He means anyone except Spidey. Harry would never harm an innocent. The only reason he's after Peter is because he thinks he killed his father. He would never hurt MJ, or Aunt May, or anyone else.
They even had a key issue where Harry tells MJ he'd never hurt her or anyone, no matter what happens between him and Peter.
In this we get the total opposite.
So. What. You act like this is nothing we didn't already know prior to release. This movie was never going to have Norman as a main villain, and thinking that there was a chance for that, you just set yourself up for disappointment, not the movie.
What difference does it make that we knew this crap would happen before the movie came out? That doesn't magically change it or make it any better.
Yeah we know the movie wasn't going to have Norman as the villain, hence the bastardization and total balls up of the Goblin storyline.
Again, Harry didn't steal any of Norman's thunder because this movie never had Norman as the focus.
Yeah he did. The most famous thing Norman did, heck the most famous thing any Spidey villain ever did to Spidey was Gwen's death.
They just took a big smelly dump on that.
Odds are they're going the Ultimate Norman Osborn route, making him a negligent father, concerned about making him the bet he can be in terms of fighting death. 'Oh but he died in ASM2' and to that I say he died off-screen, which leaves his return open to interpretation for future writers of ASM3, or even in Sinister Six if that movie even actually happens. Norman fakes his death so the public wouldn't even bother to pay any attention to whatever he may do to try to beat death. And from what he'd seen, he knows what the spider venom does to his bloodline as in watching Harry like he was a lab rat, he knows what the lizard serum did to Dr Connors. He's just biding time and waiting for the perfect concoction to make a serum to heal his disease.
Baseless conjecture. Even Ultimate Norman Osborn tormented Peter with the knowledge of his identity, and threw MJ off the bridge (she lived). Who cares now if Norman comes back from the dead? Harry's been the Goblin first. He killed Gwen. He's learned Peter is Spider-Man and hurt him personally with that knowledge.
All the tropes that made Norman a great villain his Evil Ed looking son has had. Norman at this point is redundant.
And again, not as much as your lack of imagination mind-set from your posts.
His post was well informed, logical, and brilliant. Can't say the same for your personally insulting rebuttal to it.
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