The Dark Knight Rises Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?

1- batman IS a crime drama! no mater how you cut it, it's a crime drama. there are people commiting crimes, people trying to stop said people from commiting said crimes, and drama between the two.
In that sense, Superman is a crime drama too. I dont know how to explain this, but Batman stories can vary from crime drama-esque (mob), to superheroic (Manbat, Freeze), to downright nuts (zebra batman).
3- just for reference, what non-comic batman media do you consider to be a "more balanced" batman story?
returntovoid already answered for me (thanx man! :yay:) and like he said, i consider BTAS and also The Batman more balanced takes on the mythos.

Btw, you should check out Brave and the Bold. Its on the unrealistic end of the spectrum and its glorious!
A JLA film aside, is it necessary for Bats and Supes' solo franchise to exist in the same universe, besides it being the case in the comics? How would their existing in each other's universes serve the stories of their films? For example, when Superman stopped some crime in Gotham in Superman Returns, how did that help the story of that film, considering that it could've been any major city, or was it nothing more than a bone for the fans?
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A JLA film aside, is it necessary for Bats and Supes' solo franchise to exist in the same universe, besides it being the case in the comics?

It's not even necessary for them to exist in the same universe in the comics let alone film.
 
I don't see what's wrong with it. A good Batman story can succeed on it's own. Unless people are implying Superman (or any other hero for that matter) are a necessity for a Batman story, then there is no argument here.
 
I don't see what's wrong with it. A good Batman story can succeed on it's own. Unless people are implying Superman (or any other hero for that matter) are a necessity for a Batman story, then there is no argument here.
 
I think the Nolan universe should open itself up for other DC heroes to exist. The Superman Returns reference is flawed. Gotham City was mentioned because there was a Superman sighting/intervention. He didn't "stopped crime in Gotham". To me it was a sign of how Singer opened up the Donnerverse to the existence of other superheroes.

It has been done with Marvel why not DC heroes? Batman and Superman have had many team ups throughout the years, I don't see why all of a sudden, because of Nolan's realistic approach, some see a possible World's Finest film or expanding Batman's actual universe as something "bad".
 
I don't see what's wrong with it. A good Batman story can succeed on it's own. Unless people are implying Superman (or any other hero for that matter) are a necessity for a Batman story, then there is no argument here.
Agreed. But on the other hand you discard tons of great material if you close the borders between the franchises.
I think the Nolan universe should open itself up for other DC heroes to exist. The Superman Returns reference is flawed. Gotham City was mentioned because there was a Superman sighting/intervention. He didn't "stopped crime in Gotham". To me it was a sign of how Singer opened up the Donnerverse to the existence of other superheroes.

It has been done with Marvel why not DC heroes? Batman and Superman have had many team ups throughout the years, I don't see why all of a sudden, because of Nolan's realistic approach, some see a possible World's Finest film or expanding Batman's actual universe as something "bad".
It can be done, but it all depends on what Nolan does in the 3rd movie and how he ends his story.
 
In that sense, Superman is a crime drama too. I dont know how to explain this, but Batman stories can vary from crime drama-esque (mob), to superheroic (Manbat, Freeze), to downright nuts (zebra batman).
Those aren't exclusive to each other. Batman as a story will always be a crime drama no matter if he's fighting the mob or superpowered enemies. What you're looking at is the tone and inclusion of more fantasy-based elements, but again, that has nothing to do with it being a crime drama or not. You're making distinctions that aren't there, mistaking genre for style. And yes, Superman is also basically a crime drama.
 
I think the Nolan universe should open itself up for other DC heroes to exist. The Superman Returns reference is flawed. Gotham City was mentioned because there was a Superman sighting/intervention. He didn't "stopped crime in Gotham". To me it was a sign of how Singer opened up the Donnerverse to the existence of other superheroes.

It has been done with Marvel why not DC heroes? Batman and Superman have had many team ups throughout the years, I don't see why all of a sudden, because of Nolan's realistic approach, some see a possible World's Finest film or expanding Batman's actual universe as something "bad".
I don't think it's necessarily bad, in fact I encourage an (eventual) team-up in the future. I take the position that no matter what Nolan's stance on the superhero world is, I'm not convinced at all that his films' internal logic excludes the existence of them.

I'll bring up this comparison again; Nolan's films have NO characters with superpowers. Shyamalan's Unbreakable has a lead who is undoubtedly superhuman. In spite of this, I am much more willing to accept Superman exists in Nolan's world than I do with Shyamalan's. Why? Tone and how the material has been expressed.

On that note, it's also superfluous to inject little cameos or nods that have nothing to do with the current film's story. It's nice that they're setting things up, but I can't help but feel it's somewhat forced in execution.

Agreed. But on the other hand you discard tons of great material if you close the borders between the franchises.
We've gone over this already. The 'borders' come with the territory under any director. There's absolutely no way to cover all your ground on material that's existed for 70 years with varied creative interpretations.
 
I don't think it's necessarily bad, in fact I encourage an (eventual) team-up in the future. I take the position that no matter what Nolan's stance on the superhero world is, I'm not convinced at all that his films' internal logic excludes the existence of them.

I'll bring up this comparison again; Nolan's films have NO characters with superpowers. Shyamalan's Unbreakable has a lead who is undoubtedly superhuman. In spite of this, I am much more willing to accept Superman exists in Nolan's world than I do with Shyamalan's. Why? Tone and how the material has been expressed.
I agree.
On that note, it's also superfluous to inject little cameos or nods that have nothing to do with the current film's story. It's nice that they're setting things up, but I can't help but feel it's somewhat forced in execution.
Are you talking about Marvel? Because their cameos make a lot of sense.
We've gone over this already. The 'borders' come with the territory under any director. There's absolutely no way to cover all your ground on material that's existed for 70 years with varied creative interpretations.
We've gone over this already. Nobody is asking Nolan to cover everything, we just dont want him to confine the franchise in a corner. Instead DC should have forced him to keep the possibilities open and of course to leave the franchise open for someone to pick it up when he leaves. I dont want another reboot, nor another random trilogy. I want to see these characters evolve.

It shouldnt have been Nolan's Batman, but our Batman and DC's batman.
 
as cool as it would be to see these characters cross over on film i support the current embargo. let the movies form their interpretations of the characters before we just force them all into one film. i tihnk batman will be more or less ready for a cross-over after this third movie but what about superman? are wb as a studio and we as fans willing to risk future development of these properties for a quick worlds finest fix? look at what happened in man of steel? they turned meeting batman into an almost formative experience for clark and it was terrible. let the movies find their feet, then mash'em together.

I'm not saying it should lead to a World Finest film, and I'm not even saying that they should mention each other. I just don't like that they immediately writing off the opportunity for them to potentially be in the same universe so quickly. It can be like BTAS/TNBA and STAS. Both existing in the same universe with nearly no references to each other; doing their stories, and if the opportunity arises for a World's Finest Film, take it. But I don't like that they won't even think about it.

I guess opinions can change, especially if Superman is very successful. I guess they wrote it off because they want to focus on the franchises separately and don't want to get the fans hopes up for a World's Finest/Justice League film.
 
It shouldnt have been Nolan's Batman, but our Batman and DC's batman.
How could it have been anything other than Nolan's Batman? How could we have had "our" Batman or DC's Batman when those are often so incredibly diverse and ever-changing? There is no such thing as "our" Batman. There is only "your" Batman, and you might as well admit that that's only what you want.
 
We've gone over this already. Nobody is asking Nolan to cover everything, we just dont want him to confine the franchise in a corner. Instead DC should have forced him to keep the possibilities open and of course to leave the franchise open for someone to pick it up when he leaves. I dont want another reboot, nor another random trilogy. I want to see these characters evolve.
You've gotta be kidding me if you believe a character needs to be in a universe with multiple superheros to evolve. Confined to a corner? Please, The Batman mythology alone could span 10 movies. And DC couldn't do jack **** about this or any other superhero property, WB is the big brother here, if they want the toy they'll take it.
It shouldnt have been Nolan's Batman, but our Batman and DC's batman.

And what exactly is 'our' Batman? For many Batman fans Nolan's Batman is their Batman, for some it's Burton's, hell even Schumacher has fans. It was always Nolan's Batman, his idea of what to do with the character and where to take it. You're just pissed that it's not the Batman you want. Does he own it? No, but he's allowed as a director to interpret it the way he likes, just like other film makers, animators and comic writers. Stop making it sound like he's doing a bad thing here, the series is successful and well received and more importantly, it made brought credibility back to Batman.
 
OMG I haven't seen that gif in forever. :lmao:

We've gone over this already. Nobody is asking Nolan to cover everything, we just dont want him to confine the franchise in a corner. Instead DC should have forced him to keep the possibilities open and of course to leave the franchise open for someone to pick it up when he leaves. I dont want another reboot, nor another random trilogy. I want to see these characters evolve.

It shouldnt have been Nolan's Batman, but our Batman and DC's batman.
Didn't we like WB for actually keeping their paws off a movie this time? :funny:

Every artist, especially ones with a distinctive style, will put their own individual take on a popular character. I think it's unfair to force any of them (comic artist, writer, or director) to what "the company" or "the fans" want. Then you might as well make them via committee, with no real art to them anymore.

I much prefer that WB and DC be open to these individual interpretations. Then we'd actually have something new and different to look at every so often.
 
How could it have been anything other than Nolan's Batman? How could we have had "our" Batman or DC's Batman when those are often so incredibly diverse and ever-changing? There is no such thing as "our" Batman. There is only "your" Batman, and you might as well admit that that's only what you want.

Agreed :up:
 
I'm not saying it should lead to a World Finest film, and I'm not even saying that they should mention each other. I just don't like that they immediately writing off the opportunity for them to potentially be in the same universe so quickly. It can be like BTAS/TNBA and STAS. Both existing in the same universe with nearly no references to each other; doing their stories, and if the opportunity arises for a World's Finest Film, take it. But I don't like that they won't even think about it.

I guess opinions can change, especially if Superman is very successful. I guess they wrote it off because they want to focus on the franchises separately and don't want to get the fans hopes up for a World's Finest/Justice League film.
Agreed.

How could it have been anything other than Nolan's Batman? How could we have had "our" Batman or DC's Batman when those are often so incredibly diverse and ever-changing? There is no such thing as "our" Batman. There is only "your" Batman, and you might as well admit that that's only what you want.
I meant that it should have been a batman franchise for the fans, open to whatever type of stories and characters they like, a franchise that would keep going after Nolan and Bale are gone. It should have been like how Marvel is doing it, like the comics, with Nolan being the comic writer equivalent and Bale the artist equivalent.
 
Are you talking about Marvel? Because their cameos make a lot of sense.
IM handled the presence of SHIELD well enough. Hulk's ending had nothing to do with the movie, so I wasn't a fan of that. I'm speaking hypothetically here. This is more of a critique at fans pleading for their favorite heroes to be referenced in some form, as if it's critical to the film or 'universe'.

We've gone over this already. Nobody is asking Nolan to cover everything, we just dont want him to confine the franchise in a corner. Instead DC should have forced him to keep the possibilities open and of course to leave the franchise open for someone to pick it up when he leaves.
1) You're not understanding that there is no way to keep (all) possibilities open. Once you've made your first story, you have set a precedent for that vision's own internal logic and rules. That effectively boxes you (however big) to a particular interpretation. Sure, you can have an all-out fantasy epic with one film, and a gritty crime thriller in the next, but for consistency to remain it has to follow guidelines that connect the two.

2) What Nolan wants and what is in his films are two completely different things, as I wrote previously. He might very well be against Supes being in his Batman's world, but there's nothing in his films that explicitly forbid that from happening.

It shouldnt have been Nolan's Batman, but our Batman and DC's batman.
I should really keep a tally of how many blatantly senseless statements you've made thus far. I urge you, please think through with what you type, because I guarantee someone will run with it and completely embarrass you.

Batman (in any medium) is defined by its writers and artists. There are a multitude of them that have worked on the character. I don't have to question that we all know Batman is not a stagnant character, so logic would dictate no one has any type of ownership over him. 'Your' Batman', or 'My' Batman, or 'Our' Batman, is not shared by everyone.
 
You've gotta be kidding me if you believe a character needs to be in a universe with multiple superheros to evolve. Confined to a corner? Please, The Batman mythology alone could span 10 movies. And DC couldn't do jack **** about this or any other superhero property, WB is the big brother here, if they want the toy they'll take it.
Batman is confined to a corner first and foremost because Robin, and like half his rogues gallery cant appear in the movies because of the realism. Hell, there were people suggesting that the Joker should wear a normal trenchcoat because a purple suit is too silly for the Nolanverse. Where have the batman movies come to?
And what exactly is 'our' Batman? For many Batman fans Nolan's Batman is their Batman, for some it's Burton's, hell even Schumacher has fans. It was always Nolan's Batman, his idea of what to do with the character and where to take it. You're just pissed that it's not the Batman you want. Does he own it? No, but he's allowed as a director to interpret it the way he likes, just like other film makers, animators and comic writers. Stop making it sound like he's doing a bad thing here, the series is successful and well received and more importantly, it made brought credibility back to Batman.
No, its not that its not my Batman. Its that this batman will never be anyone else's batman except for Nolan's. Every comic book writer adds his stamp to the story and does the stories he wants, but after him, someone else can take over and do his thing. With Nolan you cant have that unless someone takes over and tries to imitate his style.

So yeah, i dont like how after Nolan we are going to have one of the following:
1) No batman movies for some time.
2) Someone else takes over and tries to imitate Nolan's style.
3) Another director tries his spin to the characters. What will it be this time? Twist endings? Explosions?
Didn't we like WB for actually keeping their paws off a movie this time? :funny:
WB and DC are incompetent when it comes to using their characters in movies and had it not been for Nolan, there wouldnt even be a GL or Superman movies in the making right now. I am referring of course to the bat franchise's success which helped the superhero genre in general.
But DC should have control, reigning in the directors so that they dont add their fetishes into the movies. No giant naked male statues, no gothic nightmares, no uber realism, no whatever.
Every artist, especially ones with a distinctive style, will put their own individual take on a popular character. I think it's unfair to force any of them (comic artist, writer, or director) to what "the company" or "the fans" want. Then you might as well make them via committee, with no real art to them anymore.
In the comics there is editorial mandate, instructing writers on what they can and cant do, helping them keep the continuity, etc. And i think its good because the character isnt the writers' or the directors'. They are borrowing him/her to do a story and leave him/her for the next guy to carry on. Why should some director do his extreme take on the characters and then force us into another reboot? I want a balanced take on Batman that goes on after the first director leaves and which would shrug off a potential bad film and keep going (Spiderman for example could have gone on).
I much prefer that WB and DC be open to these individual interpretations. Then we'd actually have something new and different to look at every so often.
I agree but so far we havent had the canon Batman in the movies while we've already had an uber gothic, a metrosexual and cheesy, and a realistic version of him. I'd like to see something close to canon at some point (i realise they cant adapt everything from the source material, nor is everything worth adapting).
 
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In that sense, Superman is a crime drama too.
yes, i was being facetious...i apologize for the sentiment, i get tired of having the same arguments for extended periods of time.
I dont know how to explain this, but Batman stories can vary from crime drama-esque (mob), to superheroic (Manbat, Freeze), to downright nuts (zebra batman). returntovoid already answered for me (thanx man! :yay:) and like he said, i consider BTAS and also The Batman more balanced takes on the mythos.
perfect! i'm not particularly well versed in "the batman" but would wager i know btas better than you know your own mother:oldrazz: so lets use that for comparison. let's say you had to boil down the entire series to 2 episodes, just 2 (though for arguments sake you can count any 2-parter as 1 episode) to explain the whole of what batman and his universe are. what would they be? because that's what's had to happen with these movies, they don't have 100+ chances to tell batman stories, they have 1 (2 if you're successful, 3 if you're really successful, and 4 if you're really lucky and super successful...or if the studio just wants to exploit the success of the first 3) which 2 btas stories by themselves paint a fully balanced picture of the batman mythos while still telling a compelling story?

Btw, you should check out Brave and the Bold. Its on the unrealistic end of the spectrum and its glorious!
i adore the brave and the bold! i've seen most, not all, but after finding a rhythm the series really took off. it has my favorite version of aquaman bar none:woot:
posting a picture of the 2 shaking hands from a random comic isn't an argument for why the 2 franchises have to meet to validate themselves. hell, superman doesn't show up in 1 btas episode yet does that make btas any less batman?(go ahead and check, i'm right. though batman appeared in 5 stas episodes the only characters to cross over into batman's cartoon were super girl, livewire and roxy rocket in "girl's night out" which is technically tnab)

also i beleive return to the void argueed that this batman has no swashbuckler in him. to this i ask, is there anything more fylnian than swooping down to rescue a damsel and fight the villian? or a tunnel vision focused clashing of steel with your nemisis amidst a chaotic scene? what about dropping in on your foe unexpected and fighting though his forces as if they were paper only to quickly away with your boon?

because these are what he did in rescuing rachael from arkham, his fight with wantanabe ras, and the hong kong scene respectively. he did everything save laugh and leave with a witty retort in these (although "taste of your own medicine doctor?" counts in my book)
 
IM handled the presence of SHIELD well enough. Hulk's ending had nothing to do with the movie, so I wasn't a fan of that. I'm speaking hypothetically here. This is more of a critique at fans pleading for their favorite heroes to be referenced in some form, as if it's critical to the film or 'universe'.
Critical? No. Opening new horizons for whoever wants to explore them in the future? Yes.

Like you and JMC say, other superheroes are not necessary to tell a good batman story. Its probably my fault for not being clear on what i mean, but i never meant otherwise. But imagine being the director of a Captain America film and for some reason you blatantly close the door to any other superhero from appearing in Cap's world. Why would you do that and why should the fans be happy? Because your pretentiousness forbids you from accepting that Cap is a superhero who can just as easily fight Nazis on one day and Galactus the other? Shouldnt it be Marvel's call on what you can and what you cant do?

(DC/WB are incompetent but at least they have self awareness so they kneel before Nolan and give him complete freedom)

I mean ok, keeping other superheroes away makes sense for Nolan's constipated batmanverse, but why his supermanverse too? Someone else's more balanced batman could appear there, or maybe GL.
1) You're not understanding that there is no way to keep (all) possibilities open. Once you've made your first story, you have set a precedent for that vision's own internal logic and rules. That effectively boxes you (however big) to a particular interpretation. Sure, you can have an all-out fantasy epic with one film, and a gritty crime thriller in the next, but for consistency to remain it has to follow guidelines that connect the two.
I dont get it. Why does the first film set the rules that cant be broken? Could you ever imagine a Norse god in the same universe as Ironman's first movie?

Just as long as they keep close to the canon interpretation (and i mean the tone, realism, etc), it goes without saying that like the canon, other superheroes can exist. If its constipated like Nolan's batmanverse, other superheroes will seem forced, not to mention that this realistic Batman wont be able to keep up with them.
2) What Nolan wants and what is in his films are two completely different things, as I wrote previously. He might very well be against Supes being in his Batman's world, but there's nothing in his films that explicitly forbid that from happening.
Agreed, but you'll see just above how i explain how it will be forced. If i remember correctly you too have made the same point in the past. "Other superheroes would go against the nolanverse's internal logic" were your words if i am not mistaken.
I should really keep a tally of how many blatantly senseless statements you've made thus far. I urge you, please think through with what you type, because I guarantee someone will run with it and completely embarrass you.
Batman (in any medium) is defined by its writers and artists. There are a multitude of them that have worked on the character. I don't have to question that we all know Batman is not a stagnant character, so logic would dictate no one has any type of ownership over him. 'Your' Batman', or 'My' Batman, or 'Our' Batman, is not shared by everyone.
Dude, dont be so harsh.
Again its probably my fault for not being clearer, but like i explain to jmc in a post above, i didnt mean that Nolan should cater to my or anybody else's preferences. But he shouldnt cater to his either. He shouldnt be doing an elseworld's take on the character. He should be doing a more balanced one that could go on without him. He is there to serve the character and leave him for someone else if he gets bored or fails at some point.

That way the character is for us, not for Nolan.
 
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Batman is confined to a corner first and foremost because Robin, and like half his rogues gallery cant appear in the movies because of the realism. Hell, there were people suggesting that the Joker should wear a normal trenchcoat because a purple suit is too silly for the Nolanverse. Where have the batman movies come to?
you have yet to produce any evidence that supports this claim. just because they aren't in these movies doesn't mean the universe precludes them. hell, nolan himself okay'd the use of killer croc and deadshot in "gotham knight (which was supposed to occur in the same universe but isn't accepted as such because of lackluster story) and designs for deathstroke and firefly for the toy line and presumably the never produced tdk video game.

also, on the trench coat thing, you can't hold nolan accountable for what some people suggest any more than you can hold the beatles accountable for the manson family murders. a creater is not responsible for the opinions of his fans.
 
perfect! i'm not particularly well versed in "the batman" but would wager i know btas better than you know your own mother:oldrazz: so lets use that for comparison. let's say you had to boil down the entire series to 2 episodes, just 2 (though for arguments sake you can count any 2-parter as 1 episode) to explain the whole of what batman and his universe are. what would they be? because that's what's had to happen with these movies, they don't have 100+ chances to tell batman stories, they have 1 (2 if you're successful, 3 if you're really successful, and 4 if you're really lucky and super successful...or if the studio just wants to exploit the success of the first 3) which 2 btas stories by themselves paint a fully balanced picture of the batman mythos while still telling a compelling story?
I'd pick a Joker, a Ras... and some other story. I assume that you re implying that Nolan picked the best villains, i.e the more realistic ones and run with them so we could easily see his Batman take on Manbat like BTAS batman does.

The thing is that everything besides the Tumbler and the microwave emitter is impossibly realistic to the point that this cant happen. Its the whole directional style. Begins had a certain comic book atmosphere to it, while TDK was sterile and grim like Heat. Perhaps B3 will be more like BB but with TDK's success i doubt it. Nolan's realism is even harming the character. Example: He wasnt intimidating in TDK. So we conclude Bruce is stupid for dressing up like that. Nolan didnt even play by his own rules he set in BB, which stated that Bruce is trying to intimidate his opponents by dressing up like that. Even Nolan's own rules couldnt hold under TDK's uber realism.
posting a picture of the 2 shaking hands from a random comic isn't an argument for why the 2 franchises have to meet to validate themselves.
Like i said above, my bad, i should have been clearer. Batman doesnt need SM to validate himself, but he doesnt need to cut him off to pretentiously act like some sophisticated crime drama character. He is a cheesy superhero dressed as a bat. Why deny us the possibility of some other director who isnt afraid of the genre giving us a WF movie?
you have yet to produce any evidence that supports this claim. just because they aren't in these movies doesn't mean the universe precludes them. hell, nolan himself okay'd the use of killer croc and deadshot in "gotham knight (which was supposed to occur in the same universe but isn't accepted as such because of lackluster story) and designs for deathstroke and firefly for the toy line and presumably the never produced tdk video game.
The majority of the GA doesnt know about Gotham Knight and i doubt Nolan considers it in continuity.
also, on the trench coat thing, you can't hold nolan accountable for what some people suggest any more than you can hold the beatles accountable for the manson family murders. a creater is not responsible for the opinions of his fans.
OK, fair point.
 
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Nolan doesn't even like to think about his next film project when he's working on his current one, so why would he care what some other director is going to do in the future?

He was hired to do a Batman movie in 2003 based on the concept that he pitched to the studio. He's in charge, and he's going to stick with his original concept for his last Batman movie.

WB will most likely take the same approach the next time of hiring a good filmmaker who has a vision. What will that vision be? Who knows? But they will hire someone who feels confident with what he wants to do and who they feel will be able to execute it well.
 
Critical? No. Opening new horizons for whoever wants to explore them in the future? Yes.
You don't need cameos or nods to do this. Timm's JLU takes place in the same universe as BTAS and STAS. Neither of the latter two had to resort to easter eggs to set it up. You cross that bridge when you get to it, not before.

I mean ok, keeping other superheroes away makes sense for Nolan's constipated batmanverse, but why his supermanverse too? Someone else's more balanced batman could appear there, or maybe GL.
You're misinterpreting his words. Neither Batman nor GL are involved in the Superman project, so it makes no sense to make them a priority for that film. Do you think writers are consciously taking into account other heroes, who have no part in their story, when they're creating a narrative? I bet you they aren't.

I will keep saying it until people understand it; the "door being closed" is not dictated by the creator's intent or opinion, but by the material he creates. Nolan could do whatever the hell he wants with Supes. As long as it is modern and not abnormally stylistic (i.e. Burton), that door to other superheroes cannot be closed by the inherent nature of the adapted material. Regardless of what he thinks.

I dont get it. Why does the first film set the rules that cant be broken? Could you ever imagine a Norse god in the same universe as Ironman's first movie?
Funny you say this, because I personally think that's an incredibly slippery slope. For me, Thor and Wonder Woman are the stand-out characters of their respective teams, because how their presence integrates into everyone else's can make or break the 'reality' of that universe.

Just as long as they keep close to the canon interpretation (and i mean the tone, realism, etc), it goes without saying that like the canon, other superheroes can exist. If its constipated like Nolan's batmanverse, other superheroes will seem forced, not to mention that this realistic Batman wont be able to keep up with them.
How Batman plays into the team is up to the writer. I'm sure I don't need to explain to you how writers constantly level the playing field in favor of Bats.

Agreed, but you'll see just above how i explain how it will be forced. If i remember correctly you too have made the same point in the past. "Other superheroes would go against the nolanverse's internal logic" were your words if i am not mistaken.
If I have, it was only in reference to Diana. No one else. Call me more imaginative, but I can easily picture any of the other JL members functioning within the "confines" of Nolan's universe.

Again its probably my fault for not being clearer, but like i explain to jmc in a post above, i didnt mean that Nolan should cater to my or anybody else's preferences. But he shouldnt cater to his either. He shouldnt be doing an elseworld's take on the character. He should be doing a more balanced one that could go on without him. He is there to serve the character and leave him for someone else if he gets bored or fails at some point.

That way the character is for us, not for Nolan.
I refuse to repeat the same point I've made countless times on the subject. I don't know how else to write it; Nolan has not done anything different from any other writer/director who has had the opportunity to work on Batman. None. Batman would not be who he is today if writers catered to a particular set of rules. We can settle this very quickly: do you think 1940 Batman is even remotely the same as 2010 Batman? If not, then please avoid being hypocritical and criticize everyone who "dared" to write Batman differently from Bob Kane and Bill Finger.

It is all fiction, and as such, can never have a finite conclusion. You're under the impression Nolan's vision carries limited avenues of stories. I'm telling you you're wrong and unimaginative. If I ask you to count the number of Batman comics that featured non-superpowered antagonists, and whose setting in that one story is as relatively grounded as Nolan's, you won't be getting back to me for a very long while.
 

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