The Amazing Spider-Man Should They Use The 90's Spiderman TAS Cartoon As Source Material

[The Slang]

As fun as the show was to watch as a kid, all it did was make half-assed adaptations of popular storylines from the comics. It didn't really add anything to the comic that wasn't there already.

I think the 90's series improved the Hobgoblin and the origion of the Green Goblin.

Hobgoblin was just a crook with a mask. Osbourne hires him and gives him the goblin weaponry to assassinate kingpin. Throughout the series Osbourne is bullied by Kingpin, the Hobgoblin and to a lesser extent Spider-man. He also blames himself partially for the Hobgoblin.

It made more sense when he suddenly put on a Goblin themed outfit. It was because he was traumatized by the hobgoblin. He felt powerless to stop him. As he felt powerless to stop Kingpin. This trauma festers into a mental illness that surfaces as a secondary personality when he is exposed to a green super-soldior gas. This Secondary personalities function is to defend Norman from the 'bullying' he has been powerless to stop. The personality represents itself as a the green Goblin because
a, Norman was traumatised by the hobgoblin
b, Norman suffers the guilt of partially CREATING the hobgoblin
c, The Hobgoblin weapons and equipment are the first thing norman sees after he is ACCIDENTLY exposed to the green gas at Oscorp. The gas even 'dyed' the hobgoblin mask green in front of his eyes.

I'm not too familiar with the green goblins origion in the comics. But having Hobgobin (voiced by Mark Hamill) appear early in the series and interact with Norman, made the green goblin character alot easier for me to relate to.

 

[Parquagh]

thinking spectacular spider-man / Ultimate Spider-Man

That would be great!

I'm still not a super fan of SSM's art direction, but the action, stories and animation quality, kick the crap out of the 90's cartoon. And that my friends, is a fact.

INDEED t:
There's only one thing i don't like about SSM, Kraven being lion-like...

 

[Parquagh]

double post...

 

[Spidey_62]

I think the 90's series improved the Hobgoblin and the origion of the Green Goblin.

No. The Hobgoblin in that show acted like Macendale-Goblin, and ended up being him. Macendale is a poser, nowhere near as cunning or calculating as Kingsley.

I think any thread that offers using inspiration from the cartoons is inevitably going to end up as a SMTAS VS. TSSM battle.. But TSSM's the best.

 

[Spidey_62]

Double post!

 

[The Slang]

No. The Hobgoblin in that show acted like Macendale-Goblin, and ended up being him. Macendale is a poser, nowhere near as cunning or calculating as Kingsley.

Well he was the only Hobgoblin I knew. What about Osbourne becoming the green goblin AFTER creating the Hobgoblin? Your thoughts? Far as I know GG appeared first in the comics but I loved how this worked in the cartoon. When Green Goblin finally showed up with the super-strength and improved weapons, he outdone the hobgoblin in everyway. It was Osbourne finally striking back at his tormentor, even though he did it as another personality.

 

[spider-neil]

group therapy has the best fight sequence commited to animated film including anything from BTAS or justice league.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Spectacular Spidey is a better model for a new film. If they were just continuing the fanchise instead of rebooting them maybe the 90s cartoon would've been better as a template since he was at least in college.

 

[grand-I-am]

No, it is you sir who is out of you're mind. SSM is arguably the best media adaptation of Spider-Man ever. Why don't you actually watch it before judging it mmk?

I watched it once and thought it was pure crap. It feels like it was made for very very young kids.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Well, it's target audiance is kids... But it's done a much better job at adpating the mythos than any other series before it. Plus the writing is quite good.

 

[Mistah K88]

SSM turned Hammer head and Silver Sable into jokes

at least with 90's hammer head you could take him half way serious

SSm Rhino is done bad also

Care to elaborate a bit more and show some examples? I don't remember Hammerhead or Sable too much from the 90's series because during that time period *snicker* let's be real, Batman TAS (which was CLEARLY a better show) was what I tuned into back in the day...(and X-Men too). All I remember Hammerhead doing in the 90's was taking that tablet of time to Vulture. I'm sure he showed up more than that especially with how much Kingpin showed up. I love SSM's Hammerhead as he seems like a mobster, and I hope there's a 3rd season so we could continue the Gang War. However, point me the way to some episodes with Hammerhead in it and I will gladly watch them to make more of a comparison.

Don't remember too much about Sable except the fact she was a mercenary in the Red Skull episode. Her being a mercenary is actually closer to the comics, but I welcome the change as a mobster's daughter (plus it has been said that this is before she became a merc, just like Gwen's first appearances was before she became a beauty queen). Plus being related to SILVERmane actually makes a lot of sense with her alias. I don't recall if they used her real name in the comics Silver Sablinova in the 90's series, but you have to admit, that's as bad as Harleen Quinzell.

As for Rhino, I remember him just being the dumb brute in the 90's series. However I think he was atleast smarter than Scorpion. In fact he didn't even have an origin (with the 90's show supers existed before Spidey...so I guess this makes sense) which makes it a treat to have seen Rhino before he became the Rhino in SSM. SSM's Rhino isn't the brightest bulb in the box but he isn't a COMPLETE idiot.

 

[kane217]

Imo,the only thing good about the 90's series was it's first season after that the series was straight up crap.The 90's toon was filled with forced Angst,bad characterization,crappy storylines and at times some really bad dialogue and voice acting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5tQHowPGXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGTC9B7WVg

 

[Dangerous]

To answer the question the thread title poses- NO.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Hell no! The 90's cartoon was great when I was a kid, but watching it now is like torture. Bad animation, horrible writing, terrible voice acting. The only thing I like about the series is how the man who voiced JJJ, Edward Asner, also voiced Roland Daggett in B:TAS, who suspiciously looks just like Norman Osbourne.

 

[DACrowe]

Nah. The show was great and I grew up with it. But it is also very cheesy, flawed and not what Spidey films need to be. Pulling from the comics is always better.

Now, when the cartoon had a really good idea, they can use it. For example, making Eddie Brock an employee of the DAily Bugle and having the symbiote attach to Peter in his sleep and then he wakes up upside down were great ideas from the '90s TAS that RAimi used in SM3.

But if they were to pull from any cartoon, Spectacular Spider-Man is the best choice. It is more faithful to the comics in all honestly far wittier and pure Spidey than the comics have been in several decades or the RAimi movies ever were. Indeed.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. If we're mentioning good things about the '90s series: I'd argue the first two seasons were uniformly excellent (even if the Morbius saga lasted too long in season 2) and there were good things about 3 and 4 such as Green Goblin being the main villain of 3 and Black Cat's entrance and prominence in season 4. There was also Madame Web, too much dimension teleportation, wussified Carnage and MJ "dying." So it was with some sbad things too. Ialso think if you let the show end at the beginning of Season 5 with the Wedding and 5-part Cold War story with Electro and pretend MJ-Clone/Secret Wars/Clone Wars never happened, then it ended far better.



Also, Jameson, Peter, Felicia/BC, Kingpin and Doc Ock have never had better voices than they did in that show.

 

[The Slang]

Spectacular spider-man has its moments. But how many seasons did TAS have? like 5? And SSM? Only 2. Even with the 3 movies to bring peoples attention to the spider-man franchise, it only lasted 2 seasons...
TAS wins.

But a series that took notes from both series would be superior. PS, On SSM, whats with those stupid little disney gargoyle things that mysterio uses? They look like characters from the smurfs... very stupid and kiddy in my opinion

 

[Spidey_62]

Well he was the only Hobgoblin I knew. What about Osbourne becoming the green goblin AFTER creating the Hobgoblin? Your thoughts?

I do think Hobgoblin coming first was handled well the way they tied Norman to him despite having this creative decision forced on them.

Far as I know GG appeared first in the comics but I loved how this worked in the cartoon.

The Green Goblin appeared about 20 years before the Hobgoblin, yeah.

When Green Goblin finally showed up with the super-strength and improved weapons, he outdone the hobgoblin in everyway. It was Osbourne finally striking back at his tormentor, even though he did it as another personality.

I didn't like the way Hobgoblin got jobbed in that episode and just arrested and never seen again. The original Hobgoblin in the comics didn't have powers or the secrets of the Goblin-formula at first. But he started raiding old Goblin hideouts and Oscorp warehouses for the formula to become the worthy successor, both mentally and physically by replicating the formula minus the insanity it gave Norman. And he became the worthy successor, too.

It didn't help that for some unfathomable reason, the producer just had a real hardon hatred for the Hobgoblin. The Hobgoblin is one of Spidey's best foes, I don't like the way he was handled in that show. Mark Hamill's voice for him is epic I've got to say, though.

 

[Spidey_62]

Spectacular spider-man has its moments. But how many seasons did TAS have? like 5? And SSM? Only 2. Even with the 3 movies to bring peoples attention to the spider-man franchise, it only lasted 2 seasons...
TAS wins.

That's a moot point, saying one show is better because it lasts longer than another isn't fair.

The only reason it's lasted 2 seasons so far, is because of unlucky circumstances since day one. It got placed on a network that was to fade a few months after it began airing on there. Then it got moved to another network after airing the first season, which didn't start airing the show until the second season already finished in pretty much every other single country out there. Then the Disney/Marvel deal comes along and puts nearly everything on hold. There's more too, but I'll stop there.

The toy's are selling well, the ratings are good in all of the countries; it's just the victim of circumstance and I don't think that's a fair way to judge at all. My 2 ¢.

But a series that took notes from both series would be superior. PS, On SSM, whats with those stupid little disney gargoyle things that mysterio uses? They look like characters from the smurfs... very stupid and kiddy in my opinion

Those little guys are called homonculi, I love 'em. They're hilarious.

 

[saiyanaida]

Spiderman, Spiderman, Radioactive Spiderman

Spider-blood, it's Spider-blood, it's Radioactive Spider-blood

 

[zeptron]

TSSM doesn't reuse their old scenes.

 

[MrSpyder]

It could work some of it. Some episodes were really good

 

[ultimatefan]

Spectacular Spider-Man is a far better model, much more consistent in its quality and better overall in its concept. I don´t care if it lasts only two seasons, it was a much better show.

 

[bryanss3]

Originally Posted by saiyanaida
SSM turned Hammer head and Silver Sable into jokes

at least with 90's hammer head you could take him half way serious

SSm Rhino is done bad also

Nope they actually made them work pretty good in that world. Same with Rhino

 

[GoldGoblin]

They need to use "The Spectacular Spider-Man' television show as their bible.