The Amazing Spider-Man Should They Use The 90's Spiderman TAS Cartoon As Source Material

[Dangerous]

Spectacular spider-man has its moments. But how many seasons did TAS have? like 5? And SSM? Only 2. Even with the 3 movies to bring peoples attention to the spider-man franchise, it only lasted 2 seasons...
TAS wins.

TAS wins what exactly?

Having the most seasons so far? Most jerky animation?
That's because they have not made SSMs3 yet.
The show has not been canceled.

 

[spider-neil]

TAS wins what exactly?

Having the most seasons so far? Most jerky animation?
That's because they have not made SSMs3 yet.
The show has not been canceled.

its not looking good though (for a 3rd season) is it?

 

[vasNormandy]

As much as I freaking loved TAS as a kid, even back then, I couldn't stand the way Peter's hair was drawn. I've got nothing but fond memories of it for the most part though. I'm afraid to give SSM a chance because of what people have said about the bad dialogue. And the animation style looks too much like a Nickelodeon show.

 

[Infinity9999x]

As much as I freaking loved TAS as a kid, even back then, I couldn't stand the way Peter's hair was drawn. I've got nothing but fond memories of it for the most part though. I'm afraid to give SSM a chance because of what people have said about the bad dialogue. And the animation style looks too much like a Nickelodeon show.

If you're a Spider-man fan, you'll love SSM. It's the best tv show by far. In fact, it's the best media adaptation by far. I'd take that show over any of the movies any day. The only dialogue that bothered me is the Eddie/Pete "bro" issue. But it's really not that bad. The show has great characterization, the animation is 100x more fluid then any other cartoon to date, and it, by far has utilized Spider-man's supporting cast the most effectively. It's a great show

Now, I do love the 90's show. I grew up on it, and it's what introduced me to Spidey. It has it's limitations, but it deserves major praise for single-handedly turning Eddie Brock into a more interesting character, as well as the Symbiote. It's treatment of Eddie has been used (to a degree) in every version of the character since. Both in the following cartoons and movies and the Ultimate Comics.

However, the 90's show had a lot of limitations, and it doesn't hold a candle to SSM. SSM is a great show. Whoever directs the next movie needs to sit down and watch that show and take notes. LOTS of notes.

 

[vasNormandy]

If you're a Spider-man fan, you'll love SSM. It's the best tv show by far. In fact, it's the best media adaptation by far. I'd take that show over any of the movies any day. The only dialogue that bothered me is the Eddie/Pete "bro" issue. But it's really not that bad. The show has great characterization, the animation is 100x more fluid then any other cartoon to date, and it, by far has utilized Spider-man's supporting cast the most effectively. It's a great show

Now, I do love the 90's show. I grew up on it, and it's what introduced me to Spidey. It has it's limitations, but it deserves major praise for single-handedly turning Eddie Brock into a more interesting character, as well as the Symbiote. It's treatment of Eddie has been used (to a degree) in every version of the character since. Both in the following cartoons and movies and the Ultimate Comics.

However, the 90's show had a lot of limitations, and it doesn't hold a candle to SSM. SSM is a great show. Whoever directs the next movie needs to sit down and watch that show and take notes. LOTS of notes.

What do you think about the CGI one? I can't recall any wisecracks, but other than the character that butchered who was supposed to be the Black Cat, I thought it was really underrated. If Sony went for THAT "gritty" route, I think I'd enjoy the film.

EDIT:
To clarify, NOT the successor to TAS, the one that was aired around like 2001/02.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I disliked the MTV Spider-Man series. Probably because I couldn't stand the art style and animation.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I think the show is/ was a little underrated and overhated, but it still wasn't that great.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The Spectacular Spider-Man is to Spider-Man as Batman: The Animated Series is to Batman.

 

[Jochimus]

Eh, I say stick with the comics for the bulk of inspiration.

I haven't seen more than one or two episodes of SSM so I can't really judge its quality, but I will say having seen many episodes of the '90s Spidey show that about the only thing I really like about it was the way the writers used the classic John Jameson rescue story to bring in the symbiote.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(Spider-Man:_The_Animated_Series)

 

[spider-neil]

what I loved about SSM is the first episode opens with

'...let me tell you about my summer as the spectacular spider-man'

no origin, just BANG right into the middle action, they then expend the supportingcast. my hope is the move is approached the same way. seriously is there anyone left on this planet who doesn't know how soidey became spidey? look just get ON with it.

that's way SR was sooooo boring, a retread of superman 1. zzzzzzzzzz

 

[©KAW]

Eh, I say stick with the comics for the bulk of inspiration.

I couldn't agree more, no 90s series and no Spectacular Spidey, stick to the damn freakin' comic books.

 

[spider-neil]

I couldn't agree more, no 90s series and no Spectacular Spidey, stick to the damn freakin' comic books.

stick with the comics for inspiration

* clone saga
* osborn knocks up gwen
* peter revealed to be the clone all along
* BND
* spider-man - the other (gains new powers including the ability to see in the dark and shot a spike out of his wrist)

 

[Pythagoras]

I would stick with the comics not television shows.

 

[Spidey_62]

The Spectacular Spider-Man is to Spider-Man as Batman: The Animated Series is to Batman.

Couldn't agree more.

I would stick with the comics not television shows.

I think the thing is, that with decades of source material, The Spectacular Spider-Man takes the very best from all of past interpretations of the character. After it's learned what wasn't so good about past canons--be it straight from the comics, the other shows or the movies. That's partially why I think The Spectacular Spider-Man is so successful, and it's one reason why I love it so much.

 

[Nathan]

Spectacular Spider-Man showed how you can shove years of comic book history in a few episode arcs. It shouldn't be completely disregarded.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[©KAW]

stick with the comics for inspiration

* clone saga
* osborn knocks up gwen
* peter revealed to be the clone all along
* BND
* spider-man - the other (gains new powers including the ability to see in the dark and shot a spike out of his wrist)

WTF? You do realize that there is damn-near 50 years of story telling, a lot of great material that has never been utilized or executed properly. And you're going to grab a few of the worst within that 50 years, to justify using a cartoon show as source material. So sad, we now have so-called fanboys damning the source material like Sam Raimi. There would be no Spectacular Spider-Man without the comics, not the other way around.

Spectacular Spider-Man showed how you can shove years of comic book history in a few episode arcs. It shouldn't be completely disregarded.

Yes, it should be completely disregarded and so should the 90s series. The problem with the movies now is that they're too much like 250M dollar cartoon shows. Why would we base Spider-Man on a failed cartoon show that was canceled in the blink of an eye.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I don't see why the sources of inspiration should be mutually exclusive. Why can't they be inspired from the comics AND the cartoons? Everybody would win there.

 

[©KAW]

No my friend, everyone does not win. We all remain losers here. We do not win. What's next, do we start taking source material from the old live action TV show, which had no comic book villains, where do we stop boy? Where in the hell do we stop? Don't you understand that I want to win, I want Spider-Man to win...win back what makes the character a phenomenon.

Is there no one who loves this character. Must I always be the only one who is willing to fight for him?

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

No my friend, everyone does not win. We all remain losers here. We do not win. What's next, do we start taking source material from the old live action TV show, which had no comic book villains, where do we stop boy? Where in the hell do we stop? Don't you understand that I want to win, I want Spider-Man to win...win back what makes the character a phenomenon.

Is there no one who loves this character. Must I always be the only one who is willing to fight for him?

Raimi's movies took inspiration from, besides the comics, the 90's series and even the 60's series. Did anyone care? No. Did it affect the quality of those movies? Hardly. Did fans enjoys these little nods? Most of them did. It ADDED something to them.

Out of curiosity, have you even watched any of these series? Most of them (especially the "failed cartoon", The Spectacular Spider-Man) have the comics as their main source, LOVE the character (again, Spectacular), and are not afraid of using the Ultimate comics or other media of the character if it works them. That's what this movie should do too. Use the comics as a main source, but if it uses something from somewhere else, it should work well and produce a great film.

Suggesting that we are "ruining" the movie by suggesting non-comic sources, and that you're the only one who loves and defends the character is quite rude, egotistical, and selfish.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Raimi's movies took inspiration from, besides the comics, the 90's series and even the 60's series. Did anyone care? No. Did it affect the quality of those movies? Hardly. Did fans enjoys these little nods? Most of them did. It ADDED something to them.

Out of curiosity, have you even watched any of these series? Most of them (especially the "failed cartoon", The Spectacular Spider-Man) have the comics as their main source, LOVE the character (again, Spectacular), and are not afraid of using the Ultimate comics or other media of the character if it works them. That's what this movie should do too. Use the comics as a main source, but if it uses something from somewhere else, it should work well and produce a great film.

Suggesting that we are "ruining" the movie by suggesting non-comic sources, and that you're the only one who loves and defends the character is quite rude, egotistical, and selfish.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Suggesting that we are "ruining" the movie by suggesting non-comic sources, and that you're the only one who loves and defends the character is quite rude, egotistical, and selfish.

Clearly his specific interpretation of Spider-Man is gospel and if we don't support it then we must not love the character.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I couldn't agree more, no 90s series and no Spectacular Spidey, stick to the damn freakin' comic books.

Why ignore something if they improve upon the original idea?

Take Venom for example. Both the 90's series and SSM drastically improved the character of Eddie Brock. They gave him actual characterization, rather then a one-note random-ass dude that hated Spidey for a horrible reason.

Tombstone in SSM is also loads more interesting then his comic counterpart, and the Gwen/Harry/Peter relationship/friendship/love triangle in SSM is also very, very well done.

I'm not saying to ignore the comics by any means, but if something has a good idea, USE IT!!! And SSM has lots of good ideas.

And vasNormandy, I didn't watch a whole lot of the MTV show. Some of the ones I saw had some pretty good humor in them though. The show was obviously limited by the idiotic restriants put on it by MTV. No old people, so hey, let's cut out Aunt May! It's not like she's important right? But I remember liking some of the ideas they had. I'd have to watch it again though.

 

[©KAW]

Raimi's movies took inspiration from, besides the comics, the 90's series and even the 60's series. Did anyone care? No. Did it affect the quality of those movies? Hardly. Did fans enjoys these little nods? Most of them did. It ADDED something to them.

Out of curiosity, have you even watched any of these series? Most of them (especially the "failed cartoon", The Spectacular Spider-Man) have the comics as their main source, LOVE the character (again, Spectacular), and are not afraid of using the Ultimate comics or other media of the character if it works them. That's what this movie should do too. Use the comics as a main source, but if it uses something from somewhere else, it should work well and produce a great film.

Suggesting that we are "ruining" the movie by suggesting non-comic sources, and that you're the only one who loves and defends the character is quite rude, egotistical, and selfish.

Raimi movies are now being rebooted despite it being a 2.5 Billion dollar franchise, if that isn't a clear enough sign that he should have had his head in the comics, I don't know what is. By not using the comics and relying on other source material including making some stuff up, he ran the franchise into the ground, with no where to go but a REBOOT.

Yes, I am suggesting that trying to use other source material is the wrong way to go. Again, the reboot is proof of that. You love Spectacular, fine, watch it in good health, but keep it out of the damn movies or they'll run the reboot into the ground, as well.

Clearly his specific interpretation of Spider-Man is gospel and if we don't support it then we must not love the character.

Yes, the comic books are gospel, and by Raimi not praising them and continuing to come up with his own tainted ideas, it has sent his franchise to hell.

Why ignore something if they improve upon the original idea?

So Venom has to be improved upon, and this is the character you all think is the greatest. I've watched both versions of the cartoons with him and he's still a one note villain. Except in Spectacular, he looks cute, with 3 or 4 baby teeth. Could it be that the villain himself is simply fluff, with Venom fans not wanting to admit this.

I will be ignoring it, I didn't find anything improved upon in either Spectacular or the 90s cartoon. The comic books still out weighs them by mega-tons. That's why it should be the only source material that should be used.

 

[Infinity9999x]

So Venom has to be improved upon, and this is the character you all think is the greatest. I've watched both versions of the cartoons with him and he's still a one note villain. Except in Spectacular, he looks cute, with 3 or 4 baby teeth. Could it be that the villain himself is simply fluff, with Venom fans not wanting to admit this.

I will be ignoring it, I didn't find anything improved upon in either Spectacular or the 90s cartoon. The comic books still out weighs them by mega-tons. That's why it should be the only source material that should be used.

I think you need to better read my posts. Nowhere did I say that I thought Venom is the greatest, or indicate how much I value him as a villain. Also, knocking his visual appearance in SSM isn't really very helpful to your argument, since it has absolutely no bearing on what we're discussing, which is the writing.

Also, as I've said Tombstone is much more interesting, and compelling as a villain in SSM. As well as the relationship between Gwen/Harry/Pete as I've said. Venom was not my only example.

Also, SSM adapts many classic comic arcs directly. Now, you may be wondering why this would be helpful. Well, to explain, any movie is going to have to adapt source material from the comics, and fit it into a two-hour (give or take) dramatic structure. The cartoons, by and large, do the same thing when they strech an arc out over a few episodes. They are basically doing exaclty what a movie would have to do. And if they adapt the material well, the movie producers would want to take notes to do the same thing.

Saying that SSM would ruin the movies is completely foolish. Following the current Spider-man comics however, would be foolish, what with the Devil home-wrecking, or iron spidey, or spidey powers that give him bone spikes...ect. ect.

SSM is a great template because it is already a good adaptation. It will show future movie producers how to take the best from the comics and condense it down into a watchable dramatic struture. Why would you not want to take example from a show that's done this? Since it's doing exactly what we want the movies to do.