The Dark Knight Rises Should WB bring in Frank Miller?

[Cunning Stunts]

Why not bring in Jeph Loeb instead since he's the one who made the Long Halloween and Dark Victory? He could help Nolan out since Nolan has been using "the long halloween" as his basis for the story format.

Because Jeph Loeb has sucked awfully hard recently too.

 

[Anubis]

Ever since his son died, he just ain't been the same.

 

[xforce]

Hell no!

Not after seeing 300 and the Spirit.

 

[CFE]

It's strange how so many people can praise Frank for "Dark Knight Returns," his "Daredevil" run and "Sin City"...yet turn around and bash him for "The Spirit"...which is exactly the same astheatic approach and style he's always taken.

How can anyone like his material from the late 80s/early 90s yet denounce that exact (EXACT) same material now?

That never made sense...

Clearly the handle on the "Batman" films is working just fine without Miller, but it's not that I don't want him involved because he's a hack (which he's not)...it's because his involvement isn't really needed.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

He's been a hack lately. The Spirit was laughably bad (the horrible acting, the convoluted plot, the dialogue was leagues more cheesy than it ever got in Sin City, to name a few issues). The only thing really the same was his visual style that influenced Sin City. Sure, the movie's visual style was dark, but the movie itself wasn't at all.

And then with All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder... That work speaks for itself. It made me want to throw up.

 

[Evolet]

Dear god, NO. I mean, the guy was a good writer. Key word, was. So he should sty the hell away from the Batman movie franchise as much as possible. I mean, have you read ASBR? Or seen ANY of his latest movies?

 

[CFE]

The guy still is a good writer.

It's not Frank that's changed, its you guys...And that's the part I don't understand.

People commend him for his approach to Batman and Daredevil but damn him for taking that exact same approach to the Spirit?

Wha!?

The fact of the matter is that the people reading his material have changed, for whatever reason. But his stuff today still reads the same, so...

And why would anyone hold the "300" movie against him? That responsibility falls more on Snyder's shoulders.

What he did with "The Spirit" was the same thing he's always done...so how can something be considered 'brilliant' back then and 'horrible' now?

I'm not trying to say its wrong that peoples' tastes have changed, it's expected...but don't condemn Miller just because of those changing tastes.

 

[Anubis]

I've always found that people that didn't like 300 are probably.....jerks.

But no, you're wrong. He has changed. Ever since Sin city. After that, everything became about ****es, ****es, and ****es. Sorry, he just sucks now.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

But no, you're wrong. He has changed. Ever since Sin city. After that, everything became about ****es, ****es, and ****es. Sorry, he just sucks now.

Miller has always had a soft spot for the world's oldest profession, even in his Batman work: Selina Kyle was a dominatrix in Year One and a madam in The Dark Knight Returns.

And while I'm one of the few people that still likes Miller (Goddamn Batman included), I agree with whoever said that he probably wouldn't be much help to the screenwriting team for the next movie. He's got his version of the character, and Nolan, Goyer & Co. have theirs. Those two versions might not necessarily be compatible.

If sometime in the future a new creative team wants to put a more violent, potentially unstable Batman into the movies then I think it'd be cool if they at least talked to Frank Miller, though.

 

[returntovoid]

I don't like the work Frank Miller besides his great run on Daredevil and certain elements of the OK Batman: Year One were good.

I honestly hate Frank Miller's rendition of Batman in TDKR, TDKSA and All Star Batman & Robin, although he portrayed Batman right in Year One. Those other Batman works besides Year One that I mentioned above show more of Miller's vision of Batman.

The reason why I hate Frank Miller's rendition of Batman is because he portrays him like a total psychopath that is mean and nasty. Also, please don't compare it to "Dirty Harry", that character is too awesome to be compared with Miller's abomination of Batman.

Jeph Loeb is 10 times better, at least he understands the character of Batman really well unlike Frank Miller, IMO.

 

[Octoberist]

I think with any writer/creator who gets older, their earlier stuff will always define their career. That's how I think of Frank Miller.

It's just life. You can say the samething about Spielberg, Ridley Scott or whomever. It's all subjective and it depends on the artist, but it happens.

 

[bulletbillx]

No. miller has lost his touch.

I don't think they need anyone else to make their story, but I'd take them asking for Dini/Timm, O'neil/adams, Morrison, or many more people that have been involved with the mythos before they ask miller for help. yes i know some of those are artists but they'd be more help than miller would be now since at least they could give asthetic advice.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The guy still is a good writer.

It's not Frank that's changed, its you guys...And that's the part I don't understand.

People commend him for his approach to Batman and Daredevil but damn him for taking that exact same approach to the Spirit?

Wha!?

The fact of the matter is that the people reading his material have changed, for whatever reason. But his stuff today still reads the same, so...

And why would anyone hold the "300" movie against him? That responsibility falls more on Snyder's shoulders.

What he did with "The Spirit" was the same thing he's always done...so how can something be considered 'brilliant' back then and 'horrible' now?

I'm not trying to say its wrong that peoples' tastes have changed, it's expected...but don't condemn Miller just because of those changing tastes.

It doesn't read the same to me. I just read Daredevil Visonaires Vol2 and each story felt complete and moved at a good pace.

I read All-Star Batman and Robin for 8 issue's and I'm still waiting for the stories.

Miller is like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. The first movie worked and was so popular because of Captain Jack Sparrow, so in the sequals we got too much of Jack, in fact in one scene there's like 5 of him on screen at one time. The first movie worked because off all the swerves so in the sequals we get ten times as many.

Miller saw that people liked the over the top violence of his previous work, so now it's too over the top, people like the grttiness, now it's too gritty. And there is far, far too many hos.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

I think this would be a great idea, hands down.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I think this would be a great idea, hands down.

If he makes Batman like Sin City and not The Spirit yeah. I think he is a good director though. So what he made one bad movie. Let it go everyone makes one bad movie. It happened to all the greats.

 

[Anubis]

It's not just one bad movie man, he's been sucking steadily since the 90's.

 

[C. Lee]

If he makes Batman like Sin City and not The Spirit yeah. I think he is a good director though. So what he made one bad movie. Let it go everyone makes one bad movie. It happened to all the greats.

He made one spectacularily bad movie.....historicly bad.......bad.

 

[Fresh Prince]

He made one spectacularily bad movie.....historicly bad.......bad.

Come on act like it was Batman & Robin bad dude. The average people will not care cause The Spirit not popular anyways mainstream. But still regardless it was a bad movie but just a bad movie not a disaster like Batman & Robin.

 

[Anubis]

No, that move sucked donkey dong. They are equally crap on celluloid.

He made one spectacularily bad movie.....historicly bad.......bad.

That too.

 

[Fresh Prince]

It's not just one bad movie man, he's been sucking steadily since the 90's.

How? Sin City comics and movie was awesome so was Ronin comics and 300 comics and movie. He been dooing pretty good my fellow.

 

[Fresh Prince]

That too.

That too what? You think Spirit was on Batman & Robin level? Come on! It was way better then that junk.

 

[C. Lee]

Come on act like it was Batman & Robin bad dude. The average people will not care cause The Spirit not popular anyways mainstream. But still regardless it was a bad movie but just a bad movie not a disaster like Batman & Robin.

I didn't know I was supposed to just follow what the average person liked....I thought I was allowed to have my own opinion of things.....and to me, as a reader of the Spirit for around 40 years, I thought the Miller Spirit movie was an abomination.

 

[Anubis]

How? Sin City comics and movie was awesome so was Ronin comics and 300 comics and movie. He been dooing pretty good my fellow.

And yet we got the Dark Knight Strikes Again, All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, and Robocop 2 and 3,

 

[Fresh Prince]

I didn't know I was supposed to just follow what the average person liked....I thought I was allowed to have my own opinion of things.....and to me, as a reader of the Spirit for around 40 years, I thought the Miller Spirit movie was an abomination.

I said the average people do not care of one comic book movie failed compared to a comic book person like you. So overall it was just one bad movie. Sorry if Miller messed up your movie but still do not make him a bad director.

 

[Fresh Prince]

And yet we got the Dark Knight Strikes Again, All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, and Robocop 2 and 3,

All-Star Batman was funny he pit slapped Robin lol. Robop Cop 2 and 3 okay they was bad. DKSB was fair. But last i checked Miller did not direct Robop Cop 2 and 3.