Siegel & Shuster vs WB: Superman and Infinite Crisis

[Showtime]

If this comes to be, I'll back up the fact that you called it first Merced.

 

[merced]

If this comes to be, I'll back up the fact that you called it first Merced.

Not me. The lawsuit has been there. Just underground. Also the threat the end the movies, comics and TV shows.

I think the families got a bad deal. I think they are wrong to ask 50%. Comics are mostly break even. The movies and the TV shows and other media make money. Cept for SV Superman has not done well there.

I would not be surprised to see TW let the rights go. Half of them. its like the famileies can't do anymore wioth half than can TW/WB.

Fans lose in that case. Superman ceases to exist as we knew him.

You bet the laywers are loving this.

 

[Showtime]

No. I am saying you are the first who mentioned this would have an effect on Superman.

 

[merced]

If this comes to be, I'll back up the fact that you called it first Merced.

I think its possible TW lets the rights go. Its only half the rights. It gets to keep the shield and suit and Brainiac and most of the non-Smallville lore.

The families are asking hundreds of millions and 50% of everyhing going forward. Superman I don't think is too profitable to WB now. Not like Batman. Or Spiderman to marvel. The families are asking an unreasonable amount IMO. I am a populitst ... even so the numbers don't work out IMO. Considering that Superman is not the popular character he was. If this lawsuit came about after STM then yes. Not now IMO.

WB creates a new character. Same costume. No Lois or Clark or kents. Or Kryton. A new civilian name. Not sure if the guy can still have a secret identity. I think he can. That concept is not copyrighted.

 

[merced]

No. I am saying you are the first who mentioned this would have an effect on Superman.

SHH said it several years ago. No way was I the first. The stories about the Superboy lawsuit and SV also mentioned the looming threat to Superman.

Its just Superman sites don't seem to be covering this.

No way IMO WB does another Superman film after JL because they will be right up at the deadline.

 

[Matt]

Warners or the family will settle. Neither side stands to gain anything buy tying the character up over a long legal battle. Its all about money and there is no money to be made in doing that. They will reach a middle ground.

 

[merced]

Warners or the family will settle. Neither side stands to gain anything buy tying the character up over a long legal battle. Its all about money and there is no money to be made in doing that. They will reach a middle ground.

TW will settle only if the price is right. Families are asking too high a price IMO.

Either way Superman sort of has to be frozen going forward till its decided it seems.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Wait, does the ablility to produce Superman products freeze automatically or does a judge have to rule what can and can't be made after a certain point.

Get rid of Superboy. It's a useless point. Him having powers in Smallville is all that DC needs to tell stories back then.

 

[Matt]

TW will settle only if the price is right. Families are asking too high a price IMO.

Either way Superman sort of has to be frozen going forward till its decided it seems.

Both sides are currently making ridiculous offers...that they both know they won't get. It is just a way to save face when they settle. MAke it look like they both got a deal.

 

[merced]

Both sides are currently making ridiculous offers...that they both know they won't get. It is just a way to save face when they settle. MAke it look like they both got a deal.

Hope you are right. This impacts everything. Comics, films and TV shows. Cooler heads need to prevail on both sides IMO. The families got a raw deal from TW/WB in past. Hope they are fans enough not to demand the moon if it means killing Superman for future generations.

 

[merced]

Wait, does the ablility to produce Superman products freeze automatically or does a judge have to rule what can and can't be made after a certain point.

Get rid of Superboy. It's a useless point. Him having powers in Smallville is all that DC needs to tell stories back then.

If it goes to court the prededent is the lower court freezes its decison. Pending appeal. Sure to be appealed all the way up I think. meaning Superman can't be made until a decision is made. I think this is why WB is walking away from MOS in part/ It'll maybe have to wait until 2020 to know if it can even make Superman films. Assuming the normal 7 or 8 years after 2012 to get to SCOTUS.

 

[hammy]

Or, WB could make a grand gesture and avoid trial altogether by negotiating a fair deal. I doubt the Siegels want to see an end to the franchise . They just want to profit like bazillions of other people have and are less entitled to.

 

[manofsteel4life]

so what exactly is the reason for this strike?.....I kept hearing about it, but never realized how important it really was till now....can someone explain to me what's the deal with that?

 

[explode7]

So why can't WB just let the rights to superman go???

 

[Angeloz]

So why can't WB just let the rights to superman go???

One word - money (OK three if you count the other two ).

Angeloz

 

[explode7]

What money??? I hope your not referring to the recent superman incarnations in the media because they haven't amounted to ***** in terms of ratings and
BO.

 

[Angeloz]

What money??? I hope your not referring to the recent superman incarnations in the media because they haven't amounted to ***** in terms of ratings and
BO.

How old are you? 'Cos I suspect you're rather young. Superman makes Time Warner and the WB a lot of money. And it's not just "Superman Returns". There's all sorts of products. Including making money from television, DVDs, comics, keyrings, stationary, manchester and so much more.

Angeloz

 

[explode7]

^ LOL those things actually sell? The reason I think WB isn't giving up the supes rights is because they still believe he can be profitable which isn't the case currently.

 

[Angeloz]

^ LOL those things actually sell? The reason I think WB isn't giving up the supes rights is because they still believe he can be profitable which isn't the case currently.

I did try to explain. 'Cos they're not doing it as charity.

Angeloz

 

[Papa Burgundy]

well lets see the movie made 391 mil worldwide....had great dvd rental numbers (about as much as pirates 2) and pretty good sales word has it (dvd sales arent usually released, or even exactly accurate, so theres no exact numbers). in conclusion money has been made.

and now sr2 would cost way less becuse the giant budget from sr1 was due to all the other failed superman projects.

and this lawsuit is gonna make me cry.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

 

[Papa Burgundy]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

ummm...ok

 

[I Am The Knight]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

NO.

 

[greenlantern248]

I really don't think this is going to be ending soon, hasn't this lawsuit been going on for decades now?

I slightly remember hearing that Jerry and Joe themselves tried taking DC to court back in like 1942 (or around that time) over the rights to Superman cause the felt they got cheated out of the fame for it.

Actually I do believe that was it cause until they won that suit when ever you saw something with Superman in the media it never said "created by" but now it does.

 

[Lightning54SC]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

agreed... maybe Universal or Fox can get Superman back on his throne where he belongs