Siegel & Shuster vs WB: Superman and Infinite Crisis

[dark_b]

THING IS, this is NOT just plain Singer-Bashing...
this is stating clear the fact that SR really was a FAILURE
i loved X-Men PART ONE
it didn't have enough action, as many complainers would put out, BUT IT WAS decent.
This is stating the fact that somebody powerful among the suits should just go ahead telling Singer:

"Dude, you're a GREAT director, but SUPERMAN is just NOT your THING. Remember how good Joel Schumacher WAS as a director? Well, now, he's tarnished as the DIRECTOR of "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin"... do YOU REALLY wanna be remembered as the director of the Gay Superman, the PEEPING Tom Superman, the Superman who had a son out of wedlock, the Superman movie with the DUMB Lex Luthor, A Lois Lane that EVERYBODY seems to agree should be replaced, the Superman movie which was so FREAKING boring...? you screwed up not on just one minor part of the movie, but it seems--ALL of it. & who did you please? fanboys who still have a hard-on for the Donner Superman nostalgia, chicks who get wet for Routh, & critics who don't know jack5hit of Superman? Dude---ARE YOU SURE that given a SEQUEL---CAN YOU PULL THIS OFF?

i don't think so

so, for the sake of your career, stay away from THIS franchise & redeem your GREAT image...get it back to the way people RESPECTED you when you made USUAL SUSPECTS"

again singers SR is not like schumachers batman. its nto the same. so if you want that people take you serious than dont do this again. and yes schumacher is a great director. but i saw to many articles and posts here where they said that WB was the one who said to schumacher that the movie should be lighter. the same with batman & robin. of course the suit designes were fro mschumacher. but batman forever and batman & robin are no disasters because of the suits. its a lot more.

and make no mistakes my brothers ....there is a big chance that WB are the ones who said to cut this movie. i mean singer showed tehm the script and tehy made everything for fimling. until then everyone knew how long hte movie will be. dont tell me that then they decided to cut 20 minutes. this was singers baby. i still dont know if he wall able to do this to hes baby.
WB were the ones who gave singer full control and 200 milions. who the f... does this in a movie without heavy action?

 

[Attikus]

Everyone chill...SR was a good reboot...it was just missing a strong third act...lifting heavy stuff does not constitute a strong third act...but I like the way Supes was re-introduced...I hate that Lex pulled a reverse Anna Nicole Smith...he's more clever to have to stupe to schtup an old bag...but I really liked the romantic stuff between Lois and Kal on the roof...the plane saving sequence was amazing and I think giving supes a kid was a brave story choice...tough to figure out what they do in the sequels...but brave...Luthor was uneven but he'll be better in the sequel...we will finally see corporate Lex and Brainiac and lots and lots of action from the get-go...my God it's going to be hellishly expensive and I for one can't wait.

 

[FanboyX_Returns]

THING IS, this is NOT just plain Singer-Bashing...
this is stating clear the fact that SR really was a FAILURE
i loved X-Men PART ONE
it didn't have enough action, as many complainers would put out, BUT IT WAS decent.
This is stating the fact that somebody powerful among the suits should just go ahead telling Singer:

"Dude, you're a GREAT director, but SUPERMAN is just NOT your THING. Remember how good Joel Schumacher WAS as a director? Well, now, he's tarnished as the DIRECTOR of "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin"... do YOU REALLY wanna be remembered as the director of the Gay Superman, the PEEPING Tom Superman, the Superman who had a son out of wedlock, the Superman movie with the DUMB Lex Luthor, A Lois Lane that EVERYBODY seems to agree should be replaced, the Superman movie which was so FREAKING boring...? you screwed up not on just one minor part of the movie, but it seems--ALL of it. & who did you please? fanboys who still have a hard-on for the Donner Superman nostalgia, chicks who get wet for Routh, & critics who don't know jack5hit of Superman? Dude---ARE YOU SURE that given a SEQUEL---CAN YOU PULL THIS OFF?

i don't think so

so, for the sake of your career, stay away from THIS franchise & redeem your GREAT image...get it back to the way people RESPECTED you when you made USUAL SUSPECTS"

I knew there was trouble for sure on SR when I read that Singer went home after a couple of months of shooting for a week or so because he was so upset at how bad the dailies were coming out, and needed to blow off steam, and it was said that he was afraid for his career because he thought the fans were going to tear him apart when the movie came out if it turned out bad.

I don't know 100% if that really happened but I read that during production on a online site somewhere.

Anyway great post man couldn't have put it better myself...

 

[FanboyX_Returns]

again singers SR is not like schumachers batman. its nto the same. so if you want that people take you serious than dont do this again. and yes schumacher is a great director. but i saw to many articles and posts here where they said that WB was the one who said to schumacher that the movie should be lighter. the same with batman & robin. of course the suit designes were fro mschumacher. but batman forever and batman & robin are no disasters because of the suits. its a lot more.

and make no mistakes my brothers ....there is a big chance that WB are the ones who said to cut this movie. i mean singer showed tehm the script and tehy made everything for fimling. until then everyone knew how long hte movie will be. dont tell me that then they decided to cut 20 minutes. this was singers baby. i still dont know if he wall able to do this to hes baby.
WB were the ones who gave singer full control and 200 milions. who the f... does this in a movie without heavy action?

The "HNIC" over at the WB don't know what the hell it is they are doing with these properties, and they have been hurting, and losing to Marvel for years because of it.

SR was a dud.. Just wait until Spiderman 3 tears up the boxoffice this year!

 

[Eros]

Everyone chill...SR was a good reboot...it was just missing a strong third act...lifting heavy stuff does not constitute a strong third act...but I like the way Supes was re-introduced...I hate that Lex pulled a reverse Anna Nicole Smith...he's more clever to have to stupe to schtup an old bag...but I really liked the romantic stuff between Lois and Kal on the roof...the plane saving sequence was amazing and I think giving supes a kid was a brave story choice...tough to figure out what they do in the sequels...but brave...Luthor was uneven but he'll be better in the sequel...we will finally see corporate Lex and Brainiac and lots and lots of action from the get-go...my God it's going to be hellishly expensive and I for one can't wait.

SR was good, but it was not a reboot, Batman begins was a reboot.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Spidey 3 doesn't have to be good to do well at the bo. I'm not saying it will be a bad film, I'm sure it will be quite good... BUT whether it's as good as Superman Returns? Doesn't matter. It will make more money because the world turned on Superman years ago They like a different kind of hero these days.

 

[Zor-El]

Spidey 3 doesn't have to be good to do well at the bo. I'm not saying it will be a bad film, I'm sure it will be quite good... BUT whether it's as good as Superman Returns? Doesn't matter. It will make more money because the world turned on Superman years ago They like a different kind of hero these days.

I agree. But I also think that it'll do well based on Spider-Man 2's success the same way Superman III got relatively good BO numbers because people liked Superman II

 

[Retroman]

*This is written in a more coherent way of understanding than what I was presented with. However I must stress that no facts have been altered of changed and nothing has been added to make it more interesting. Just fixed the grammar up a bit. * ---> read on --->

Dan Harris-

Spoiler

"Fans are being pretty consistent on who they'd like to see in a sequel. To me, we go with a villain smarter than Lex even. I think we're (Dan, and Michael) on the same page. A villain that appears believable in being the brains behind a big operation."

also

Spoiler

"Lex is a great manipulator, he can sway some public opinion. He may leave that island finding himself in a new house."

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Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

Thanks JC. I dig what i'm reading.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Singer and Schumacher are both good directors. I enjoy the majority of their work. But B&R and SR shouldn't be in the same category. B&R was just absolutely terrible, it put Batman films on a near decade long hiatus. SR was just mediocre to me. But I absolutely loved X2. Thats what I didn't get. His formula was nearly perfect when it came to X-Men. I guess Superman just ain't his bag.

 

[dark_b]

Singer and Schumacher are both good directors. I enjoy the majority of their work. But B&R and SR shouldn't be in the same category. B&R was just absolutely terrible, it put Batman films on a near decade long hiatus. SR was just mediocre to me. But I absolutely loved X2. Thats what I didn't get. His formula was nearly perfect when it came to X-Men. I guess Superman just ain't his bag.

i think the fan in him made all this. i think the fan is the reason why we got what we got. you can also look at the money. they had 200 milions. come on guys. lets face it he threw the money away.
he needs a reality check. he needs a slap in the face. belive me when that happens singer will make a movie that a lot of people will enjoy and it will make a lot of money. just dont give him 100% control.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm hugely confident that the SR sequel will be more appealing to more people, especially Superman fans. If there is one thing X2 showed its that Singer listens to criticism. The main complaints of X1 were, Storm's wig and accent, the action scene's, not epic enough, not long enough and Wolverine wasnt savage enough.

He rectified ALL of these with X2 IMO, i'll bet he'll do the same with SR2.

 

[dpm07]

Many people I've talked to, who have seen SR, have noted that the things that stand out to them the most that they didn't care for, are the fact that we have Superson, and also the lack of a great physical confrontation or climax.

If Singer listens to criticism (and I'm rather skeptical whether he will, or he wouldn't have done so many things he's done, and excluded so much of the Superman source material out there), then he can address the lack of action with a superhero/supervillain battle. However, there's really little he can do to erase the fact that he's put in Superson. He's pretty much backed himself in a corner with that.

 

[Zen Ith]

Many people I've talked to, who have seen SR, have noted that the things that stand out to them the most that they didn't care for, are the fact that we have Superson, and also the lack of a great physical confrontation or climax.

How convenient for you.

If Singer listens to criticism (and I'm rather skeptical whether he will, or he wouldn't have done so many things he's done, and excluded so much of the Superman source material out there)

How dare Singer do something that he wanted to do? You'd think he was DIRECTING the film or something. And how dare he not fit in 60 years of comic books!

However, there's really little he can do to erase the fact that he's put in Superson. He's pretty much backed himself in a corner with that.

Singer wants to do something with Jason. He knows what is in store for the character. That's not backing yourself into a corner.

 

[millennium movies]

Did anyone post that Spacey officially confirmed he's back for the sequel?

 

[lexlives]

again singers SR is not like schumachers batman. its nto the same. so if you want that people take you serious than dont do this again. and yes schumacher is a great director. but i saw to many articles and posts here where they said that WB was the one who said to schumacher that the movie should be lighter. the same with batman & robin. of course the suit designes were fro mschumacher. but batman forever and batman & robin are no disasters because of the suits. its a lot more.

and make no mistakes my brothers ....there is a big chance that WB are the ones who said to cut this movie. i mean singer showed tehm the script and tehy made everything for fimling. until then everyone knew how long hte movie will be. dont tell me that then they decided to cut 20 minutes. this was singers baby. i still dont know if he wall able to do this to hes baby.
WB were the ones who gave singer full control and 200 milions. who the f... does this in a movie without heavy action?

In the end WB has to take full blame. Singer is a joke IMO as relates to Superman, but WB could have and should have stopped this the minute Singer proposed giving Superman a bastard son.

After that WB apparently did not oversee till it was too late - 09/05 and the "mouthpiece" websites - won't mention names, it was not SHH to be sure - complicit in the "grand charade" so to speak.

We fans were had by them all.

 

[Showtime]

What are you talking about, WB accepted his pitch and the script both with the kid? You make no sense. You think he went behind their backs and pulled wool over their eyes? They knew what was going on every step of the way, they were overseeing the whole thing. Sometimes I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

What are you talking about, WB accepted his pitch and the script both with the kid? You make no sense. You think he went behind their backs and pulled wool over their eyes? They knew what was going on every step of the way, they were overseeing the whole thing. Sometimes I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

Oh, you didn't know Showtime? Apparently Singer is a master conspirator. He pitched Darkseid and delivered Real Estate Lex. He pitched a Superman who wasn't a father and delivered Superman fathering Jason. Those WB execs sure got fooled!

 

[Zen Ith]

We fans were had by them all.

That's right, Singer deliberately made a film that repulsed 50% of the fanbase, risking his position as director of the sequel.

The real truth is, lexlives, that the fans are whiney little snots that do nothing but complain if they don't get what they want. You can see this throughout the Internet.

 

[Steelsheen]

Did anyone post that Spacey officially confirmed he's back for the sequel?

i think this was in the fornt page a while back, i saw his interview in Letterman itself. i guess everybody sorta expected him back by default so when it was announced it didnt really make much of a splash.

*This is written in a more coherent way of understanding than what I was presented with. However I must stress that no facts have been altered of changed and nothing has been added to make it more interesting. Just fixed the grammar up a bit. * ---> read on --->

Dan Harris-

Spoiler

"Fans are being pretty consistent on who they'd like to see in a sequel. To me, we go with a villain smarter than Lex even. I think we're (Dan, and Michael) on the same page. A villain that appears believable in being the brains behind a big operation."

also

Spoiler

"Lex is a great manipulator, he can sway some public opinion. He may leave that island finding himself in a new house."

---------

Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

i sure hope this could be proven true in the long run dude

 

[GreenKToo]

I like spidey and all, but pirates 3 is gonna give it all it can handle.

The "HNIC" over at the WB don't know what the hell it is they are doing with these properties, and they have been hurting, and losing to Marvel for years because of it.

SR was a dud.. Just wait until Spiderman 3 tears up the boxoffice this year!

 

[ultimatefan]

According to this http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/bryan_singer_headed_for_superman_trial/ the widow and daughter are disputing over half of the copyrights of Superman and Superboy with WB, and this could have implications over all incarnations of the character. For some reason, Bryan Singer apparently has to testify - what the hell does he have to do with the legal rights to the character, he just directed a movie about him.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I don't see how this could hurt any involvement within the film or comic book community. Mrs. and Ms. Siegel just want more dough basically.

 

[Andy C.]

Haven't the Siegels and DC been doing enough of this crap over the last few decades?

 

[Angeloz]

If the WB had been giving them a percentage of the profits over the years then there probably wouldn't be lawsuits. Although it is America. Land of the Lawsuit.

Angeloz

 

[merced]

Like finally someone is noticing?!

Why partly maybe WB won't commit to any more Superman.

As i get it, the families own half the rights. The name of Superman, Lois lane, Clark kent, Lex Luthor. Krypton and kryptonite.

TW/WB owns the clasic Reeeve costume, shiled, Meropolis, most of the rest of the villains. Brainiac, Parasite.

Its looking like it will go to SCOTUS. The legal ramifications of copyright law apparently go way beyond Superman. Worth billions and billions as the late Carl Sagan would say.

The likley scenario is after 2012 ir goes to court. Lower courts freeze any Superman products.. comcis, films, TV shows, t-shorts..until a higher court decision.

It looks like it goes to SCOTUS. That may take up to a decade. Meaning no Superman at all in that time.

If TW ultimately loses fans do too.

Superman ceases to exists as he was known historically. The families get half, TW gets half. Hald does not equal the whole.