The Dark Knight Slow Motion

[The Kid]

I can't remember really, but was the explosion thing with the train at the end of begins slow motion?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Slo-Mo is VERY overused in movies today almost to the point where if it is used enough in a movie I automatically just hate it. It is only effective when used in small doses.

 

[dark_b]

In Batman Begins we saw no slow motion, which helped separate it even more from films like Spider-Man or other action flicks. There is some beautiful cinematography in 'Begins that as somebody pointed out in the 'Begins thread, only had the chance to be fully appreciated as a picture of still.

Do you think The Dark Knight should employ some slow motion during some fights, probably during a beating like some boxing movies or in Fight Club (which I think had the best use of slow motion in a movie.)

I personally think the hallucination scenes could have been way more effective had they emphasized the bats or maggots coming out of cranes head. Or like during the Carmine/ Scarcrow scene, something could have been done there to enhance the effect of the hallucination scenes.

As long as they dont do the pointless Peter Jackson slow mo we saw in King Kong or Lord of the Rings I am for the slow motion.

as one of the biggest matrix fans i am laughing right now. it is just so interesting that you opened a thread about slow motion and you just mentioned spider-man.

funny.

p.s. i am not saying that the matrix was the first one to used slow motion.. but it is just so funny.

 

[Darknightnomis]

I can't remember really, but was the explosion thing with the train at the end of begins slow motion?

No. Or at least not at the speed of the traditional slo motion we see in mostmovies. But it's not at "regular" speed either.

 

[Cinemaman]

I don't think Slow-Motion is very necessary, but if it is used right, I will be fine

 

[raybia]

Slow mo is kinda of a cliche anymore, so no.

 

[Superman4ever]

Actually thats an area I think Slow Mo could be used very effectively. The audience would be able to appreciate his surgical percision if they actually see it.

Kinda like V during the end fight scene with Creedy and his men. I loved that scene, but for a Batman movie it may be a little overkill. Anyways, used sparingly the Slo-mo could be great.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Slo-mo should be used to enhance emotional moments or dramatic entrances, not to show how cool a punch was.

 

[arty2]

Wasn't young Bruce's fall down the cave a slow-mo? I really don't mind the use of slow-mo if used the right way and sparingly like how they used it in V for Vendetta. Fights like those on the Bourne movies would be a welcome change.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Yes the fall was slow-mo.

Things like that. The entrance of the Joker would rule in slow mo.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Yes the fall was slow-mo.

Things like that. The entrance of the Joker would rule in slow mo.

While I agree it'd be good, it feels a little cliche. I've always been more a fan of Batman coming across Joker in very unexceptional circumstances - it'd make the reaction more potent - like 'holy f-ck! That's *him*'

 

[Ronny Shade]

I think the Joker entrance needs a fanfare. If any villain is going to enter with fanfare, it's him. I mean, he's the f***ing Joker! Fanfare is his MO. But I could see Batman chasing a shadowing trenchcoated figure down an alley who is taunting him and we realize it's the Joker and like "holy f-ck! That's *him*"

 

[Miranda Fox]

I think the Joker entrance needs a fanfare. If any villain is going to enter with fanfare, it's him. I mean, he's the f***ing Joker! Fanfare is his MO. But I could see Batman chasing a shadowing trenchcoated figure down an alley who is taunting him and we realize it's the Joker and like "holy f-ck! That's *him*"

That would be awesome!

We know so little about this Joker though, but with the theatrics remark, it seems likely it'll be something unique.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

That's interesting, since the Wayne death scene affected me more in BB than in B89 (where a lot of slow-mo was used). It captured the feeling of what it would be like witnessing such an act - one moment they're alive, and suddenly they're not. The reality of it hit me like a train.

Hi 'Nita.

I figured it was only a matter of time 'til you weighed in on this one //remembers your LOTR rant.

What's strange for me -- I remember all the reviews talking about how powerful that murder scene was in Begins, and yet I had no emotional response to it whatsoever. None. I knew I was supposed to, but it just didn't happen.

The part where I had the first little tingling of emotion was when Thomas says, "Don't be afraid."

The scene with Jim consoling young Bruce was more emotional for me than the actual murder scene. But better still was the scene where young Bruce is looking out the window at Wayne Manor and little Rachel waves good-bye, and then Alfred comes in and looks at his back and says, "I thought I might prepare your supper."

"..."

"Very well."

"Alfred. it was my fault, Alfred. I made them leave the theater. If... if I hadn't gotten scared..."

"Now, now, Master Bruce. 'Twas nothing that you did. 'Twas him, and him alone."

"I miss them, Alfred. I miss them so much."

"So do I, Master Bruce. So do I."

There, I felt my guts twist for the first time in the movie.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Something wrong with having both?

Did I say there was?

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Every movie should have slow-motion. Preferably at random.

 

[Anguissette1979]

*Peeks out from hiding

Not a fan of slow-mo to be honest. I don't think in slow motion (unless it's before 9am) or move in slow motion so a film that's trying to be "real" wouldn't really use it, in my opinion.

I agree with the folks who said that it could be used during hallucinations or dream sequences but that's almost a little bit cliche. I abo****ely LOVED BB so I hope that TDK continues the standards that Nolan has established.

*Goes back into lurk-mode until there's regularish news.

 

[Nepenthes]

I agree with the folks who said that it could be used during hallucinations or dream sequences but that's almost a little bit cliche. I abo****ely LOVED BB so I hope that TDK continues the standards that Nolan has established.

Yeah maybe it would be better if flashbacks are are series of rushed edits. You're right we don't really think in slow motion - memories and even hallucinations are more like glimpes - fast and furious.

The way slo-mo was used in BB is fine. It's hard to remember the scenes until somepone here mentions them - the fall into the cave, the train explosion - and those those were great. So keep it the same. Yes.

 

[The Kid]

Yes, I just knew there was slow mo in begins somewhere...I think some of those totally against slow motion must be kids who are tired of the matrix stuff.

Here is how slowmotion is used effectively in a scene. It adds the needed gravity to make this more dramatic, poignant or as we notice later, suspenseful. That's all it's supposed to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBGhV2gjQMQ&NR

If nolan can do that, I'd be happy as a clown.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I wouldn't mind it for a flashback of the Wayne's murders, like in The Dark Knight Returns.

 

[dark_b]

Yes, I just knew there was slow mo in begins somewhere...I think some of those totally against slow motion must be kids who are tired of the matrix stuff.

Here is how slowmotion is used effectively in a scene. It adds the needed gravity to make this more dramatic, poignant or as we notice later, suspenseful. That's all it's supposed to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBGhV2gjQMQ&NR

If nolan can do that, I'd be happy as a clown.

where i the slow motion in that clip?

 

[lujho]

When he sneaks up behind the guy it's in slow-mo - then it speeds up again mid-shot.

That's the thing - slo-mo used well is often not even noticed. Just like music. People who say we don't think or act in slo mo so it shouldn't be used in a film that is supposed to be real (only in flashbacks, dreams and hallucinations)... well, if that's true then movies like Batman Begins should not have any music either.

Anyway... that whole sequence from Unbreakable (not just the bit in the youtube clip, but the whole scene) has some great Batman like iconography which is sorely lacking from Begins. That's the thing - Batman can be a quick, fleeting shadow, but he can also be a slow, stalking monster. Or just a detective looking to clues.

And they way that "fight" never cut away... it just had so much more impact that if it was edited to hell. Not that that's the type of fight Batman would be in (unless maybe against a massively more powerful character like Bane, Croc or Grundy).

Also note that Shyamalan doesn't shy away from full body shots. You see the whole picture.

I actually read Year One for the first time while listening to the Unbreakable soundtrack (a few years ago, way before Begins was made). I thought the music fit really well and I was really happy to hear that Newton Howard was going to be involved with the Batman score. I ended up slightly diappointed but then I think a lot of that is due to Zimmer.

 

[Crooklyn]

Anyway... that whole sequence from Unbreakable (not just the bit in the youtube clip, but the whole scene) has some great Batman like iconography which is sorely lacking from Begins. That's the thing - Batman can be a quick, fleeting shadow, but he can also be a slow, stalking monster. Or just a detective looking to clues.

And they way that "fight" never cut away... it just had so much more impact that if it was edited to hell. Not that that's the type of fight Batman would be in (unless maybe against a massively more powerful character like Bane, Croc or Grundy).

Also note that Shyamalan doesn't shy away from full body shots. You see the whole picture.

Co-sign.

That was my biggest gripe with BB (though I still love it), Nolan imo dropped the ball in doing some iconic shots wit Batman. There's an exception with the scene of him on top of a skyscraper, but still, it wasn't enough. Even the little bit where Bats drops down from the stairwell, cape spread out, arguably the most famous shot of Bats....was edited down to a split second. I mean, it was the equivalent of that pathetic shirt-rip in SR.

It's fine if you want to ground things in reality, but as Shyamalan skillfully showed in nearly every scene of Unbreakable, you don't have to sacrifice the beautiful imagery. Take your time with the frames shot.

 

[saint sinner x]

Slow motion in a Batman movie is going to look lame and unrealistic especialy if it's incorporated in the Batman Begins trilogy. The fighting in the next one should be more simular to the bourne identity and casino royayel those fight scenes were super bad ass and had alot of impact. Nolan isn't an action director so I guess we shouldn't expect to see a theatricaly entertaining action movie as for the Dark knight.

 

[Visionary]

I just want to see the damn fights this time around, whether it's in slow-mo or not.