So, does ANYBODY actually like Ultimatum? ... at all?

[The Overlord]

The argument still doesn't hold up in the format this story is being told. As I mentioned, this is really a What If kind of environment of the 616 Universe...albiet on a much grander scale. If you read many What If stories .... or Exiles (lets say minus the Claremont years) ... many characters get killed off screen, so to speak. Simply put, the Ultimate tie-ins only have about 3 issues to tell their final stories within the space of the Ultimatum event. This is a Spider-Man comic, not a Daredevil comic, and to give any more time to Daredevil just wouldn't be done.

You also don't need to know the character or see the death to have the impact. If you've followed the Ultimate Universe from the beginning, you have enough information about this Daredevil. He's appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man a few times, and even had two minis devoted to him. This issue of Spider-Man was devoted to the things Spidey sees happening around him. Of course he wouldn't be there to see Daredevil die. To see the death before hand would take away from the impact of Spidey coming across his body.

If he is that underdeveloped, why should care about his death at all? Its just a lame shock value device then.

I don't care about any of that, dropping a bridge on a character is almost always bad writing, I never like it. Dropping a bridge on a character is crap writting and this is no exception.

What about Wasp or Nightcrawler, they have been around for a while and they get bridges dropped on them as well, why can't they go out fighting? These deaths are so poorly done, they hold no meaning.

 

[kguillou]

Eventhough Ultimate DD was a *****e, i was hoping his relationship with Spidey would develop into something more down the line. I thought thats where Bendis was going when he did the Ultimate Knights storyline. It would've been nice to see the character develop more but oh well...

 

[storyteller]

The plot of ultimatum. Everybody dies and curses. Its quite sad when the "tie ins" are all much better. Whats worse is that I didnt care that Daredevil died. We didnt know him. Characters like Blob make no sense. They implied that Blob may have been with magneto but wasnt that kind enough guy to care about his kid. And quite frankly I like dont care about the ultimate universe anymore outside of spiderman. Reading UWVH would have been much better If I knew the plots introduced would be followed in the post ultimatum world. I will be so glad when Loeb gets out of my hulk and Ultimate series.

 

[random_havoc]

Eventhough Ultimate DD was a *****e, i was hoping his relationship with Spidey would develop into something more down the line. I thought thats where Bendis was going when he did the Ultimate Knights storyline. It would've been nice to see the character develop more but oh well...

Yeah, I imagine USM would have continued along very differently if Bendis hadn't had to conform it to fit in with Ultimatum.

I understand the critiques that people have about Bendis' writing, but USM is one series where he has been pretty much just consistently amazing all the way through.

 

[random_havoc]

I will say apart from the poll, Random hasn't bashed me at all for saying I like a certain part of this event. He's been very respectful.

Thank you.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I've never gotten into the series, even from the very beginning and have never picked up any ultimate book except for the Marvel Zombies crossover. Magneto vs the World does seem interesting and I'll probably pick up the trade when it comes out.

 

[Anubis]

Don't bother.

 

[chris moore]

Just read #4, in about 3 minutes... What a bloody waste. Nothing... bloody... happens. Well, things happen bloodily - but not of any consequence given the massacre of so many so far. Point being the story goes absolutely nowhere

 

[random_havoc]

Just read #4, in about 3 minutes... What a bloody waste. Nothing... bloody... happens. Well, things happen bloodily - but not of any consequence given the massacre of so many so far. Point being the story goes absolutely nowhere

Yeah. And apparently one of Magneto's little known mutations is that he's impervious to pain as he

Spoiler

get's his stinkin arm CHOPPED OFF and doesn't show any major sign of it affecting him. Ridiculous.

 

[Darthkush]

*shrugs*. I like it. I've only read the first two issues, but I dig it. It's much better than the overhyped secret Invasion is anyway.

I guess for me, part of the appeal is that it seems to be "ending" the Ultimate universe's story which is something we don't really get anywhere else. Usually stories in comics just end up eventually back at the status quo but it's neat to see something that might actually stick.

I am getting tired of all of these crossovers and events though. DC and Marvel are both guilty of it and they really need to slow down on it.

 

[Anubis]

They aren't ending s**t, it's just another dumbass event.

 

[The Overlord]

*shrugs*. I like it. I've only read the first two issues, but I dig it. It's much better than the overhyped secret Invasion is anyway.

I guess for me, part of the appeal is that it seems to be "ending" the Ultimate universe's story which is something we don't really get anywhere else. Usually stories in comics just end up eventually back at the status quo but it's neat to see something that might actually stick.

I am getting tired of all of these crossovers and events though. DC and Marvel are both guilty of it and they really need to slow down on it.

The UU is not ending, but even if it were, this was the best endig they could come up with?

 

[Brainiac 8]

Someone give me the spoilery rundown of #4 so I don't have to go search for it to read please.

 

[rnewbz]

Ultimatum is like Loeb had a deformed child that he left in the toilet and Quesada insteading of removing it and nursing it into a functioning piece of society simply squats over the toilet and ****s in it, child and all.

 

[random_havoc]

Ultimatum is like Loeb had a deformed child that he left in the toilet and Quesada insteading of removing it and nursing it into a functioning piece of society simply squats over the toilet and ****s in it, child and all.

Yikes. You may even hate it more than me. That's scary.

As for the spoileryness:

Ultimatum #4

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Not much of use happens. Dr Strange gets no love in any universe, as he faces off against Dormammu and gets his head literally exploded (which means nothing of course since a shadowy figure picks him up and carries him off. The obvious opening for a future return). They finally start an attack on Magneto's base. Angel gets ripped apart and killed by Sabretooth. Thor's chick cuts off Magneto's arm, but he doesn't even get fazed by it, and I don't remember the rest cuz it was so terrible.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I think Loeb's son dieing made his mind snap.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Nobody likes RUlk either but the bottom line is that the stuff is selling very well...so yes some people like it.

Honestly, IMO Ultimatum is horribly Mediocre..not horrible. The one scene that was utterly horribly was the blob eating wasp..which ended my invovement with the book.

I've always found excuses to stop buying ultimate books. From the wackyness if U3 to the delays of U2...

It is a bit of a mystery why these books sell SO well when everyone seems down on Loeb. My guess is the ultimate books sell purely off of art, cover quality, hype and past reputation.

 

[Darthkush]

Now I'm starting to get why some of you hate this. I picked up issue 3 and 4 today and well...they're pretty to look at(love david Finch) but it seems to be nothing more than gratuitous violence. Issue 3, I was still pretty into it but once we get to 4 and see what happens to Strange and Spider-man and the over the top gore of the Angel/Magneto/Sabretooth scene...I'm not sure what to think. Also...the Ultimate Universe ISN'T ending?! Then ...why are they doing this? Violent and crazy as it is, at least if the Ultimate universe were ending I'd feel it was warranted but without it ending, this is just a bunch of characters dying. It's like Avengers dissassembled with less plot.

 

[rnewbz]

I think Loeb's son dieing made his mind snap.

I second that, hard to believe this is the same guyv who wrote The Long Halloween and Spider-Man:Blue

 

[kguillou]

I know i'm going to get attacked for this but even stuff like Long Halloween and Dark Victory and Spider-man Blue: weren't. that. good. I read both Long halloween and Dark Victory recently and i wasnt impressed, Dark Victory especially. They werent bad by any means mind you but i dont see what was so "classic" about them. In both those stories, Loeb's typical over-the-top, nonsensical writing was present with crazy amounts of plotholes. I think the only reason those stories are heralded so highly was because of Tim Sale's BEAUTIFUL artwork. And i think that is basically why Loeb's books sell extremely well. Loeb hides behind amazing artists and it fools people into thinking the story is good when it is actually mediocre storytelling with pretty pictures. I wonder what Batman: Hush would've been without Jim Lee? Or Hulk without Ed Mcguiness?

 

[topdog1]

I stopped reading the Ultimate line long ago. The Ultimate Universe is NOT for me in any way shape or form.

 

[Red Mask]

I flipped through the lastest issue. Once again the writer just knocked off characters like in a slasher flick. However, I'm surprised they attacked Magneto in a way I've wanted for years. Except I wanted Thor to destroy Magneto's arm with his hammer. Then Ultima Cap's attack should have broken Magneto's neck. If he was able to catch him off guard the 2nd strike should have finished him. What a disappointment.

 

[mre]

Yes, all these characters are all getting massacred, and it usually takes place in 2 or less panels. Loeb is showing these characters no respect! They deserve a fighting chance, and for their death to mean something.

 

[batnkevlar]

Who sends in Angel first in an attack?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

I know i'm going to get attacked for this but even stuff like Long Halloween and Dark Victory and Spider-man Blue: weren't. that. good. I read both Long halloween and Dark Victory recently and i wasnt impressed, Dark Victory especially. They werent bad by any means mind you but i dont see what was so "classic" about them. In both those stories, Loeb's typical over-the-top, nonsensical writing was present with crazy amounts of plotholes. I think the only reason those stories are heralded so highly was because of Tim Sale's BEAUTIFUL artwork. And i think that is basically why Loeb's books sell extremely well. Loeb hides behind amazing artists and it fools people into thinking the story is good when it is actually mediocre storytelling with pretty pictures. I wonder what Batman: Hush would've been without Jim Lee? Or Hulk without Ed Mcguiness?

I gotta agree with you here. I recently read The Long Halloween, and while it was good, it was not as great as I expected. It didn't reach the quality of Year One or Dark Knight Returns at all. It was a cool story and had beautiful art, but it was nowhere near as well-crafted and meticulous as Miller's stuff. And honestly, I think it pretty much sets up his formula for a lot of his stories. I really didn't care for Hush, it had the same concept of trying to make a story seem complex by having multiple villains in it each getting their chance to shine.

Daredevil: Yellow and Spider-Man: Blue were good as far as I remember, probably my favorite works of his. But then I don't really remember them that well so I'd probably need to give another read.