The mask could not be the worst thing of the costume when the mask itself was the only thing that represented the look of a goblin. Without the mask, him being dubbed 'The Green Goblin' would make absolutely no sense. Without a creative-looking mask, he could be called the Green Power Ranger as he's dubbed on these forums.
The open mouth of the costume looked ridiculous and is the main thing that made GG not scary. If you're going to give him armor (which he wore in the comics a lot as well, though it was purple and looked more theatrical), at least make his mask look scary. It is the part that looked the most goblin-ish but that doesn't say much overall. That's why I said the costume is bad from head till toe.
His agenda moved on after killing the board members because of who he faced, Spider-Man. Seeing someone else with incredible abilities gave Gobby the idea that Spidey would become a great ally. And when Spider-Man declined the offer, well, you know what else happened with Osborn targeting Peter's "heart". It could've done a bit more work for some to understand it I suppose since you didn't, lol, but I rather enjoyed a take where a villain tried to ask a hero to team with him.
The reason/motivation is fine, but the master plan itself was hilarious and all kinds of corny.
Him asking Spidey to team up with him is fine. However, it is never specified the reason why he wants Spidey to team up with him. WHY does he want Spidey as an ally? For WHAT exactly? Does he need Spidey to take over the world? Win the Olympics? Rob a few banks? It doesn't have to be some deep complex plan. You could've had a simple throwaway line like "Hey Spider-Man! Let's team up and let's rob tons of banks!" or "Hey Spider-Man! Let's team up and take over the world and establish a totalitarian rule! Muahahaha!" In order for him to want Peter on his side and to try to do that by targeting his "heart", he would need to have a plan to do something to begin with. You don't get that in the movie. All you get is "Join me, Spider-Man! I am evil and together, we can both be evil! Muahahaha! The dark side has cookies!" The Green Goblin's reasons and motivations are severely lacking.
I still don't see how the Lizard's master plan is unbelievable. The idea of turning everyone into a Lizard might sound hilarious to the average Joe but that doesn't mean the plan isn't believable to Connors. He was driven insane by the Lizard formula and it made him believe that. Any person in Connors' shoes would've found the plan believable. The plan is very believable to Connors and there
are very messed up people in real life that believe very similar things, so the plan isn't unrealistic at all. Makes sense a person driven to that point of insanity due to a formula that mutated him would have a plan like that. The Slang made a really good point too:
Hitler wanted to replace humanity with a race of super men. Stalin wanted to create a race of gorilla-human hybrids. Connor's plan to recreate the world in his own reptilian image, which is arguably superior, is entirely believable for me.
We could all assume that something could be forever, lol. Plus, bringing up the different mediums...those are NOT films. A comic or cartoon is fine because you don't really need to bring in logic, but when a film wants to be a bit more realistic in this day and age, a master plan should actually make sense.
Connors' notes and the big cloud created over the city is enough for me to come to a conclusion. I think both of those heavily imply that the mutations would last and like I said, even if it did, it wouldn't be a big problem. And who says I saw just comics and cartoons have villains with plans similar to those? I saw many movies with villains that had very "comic booky" plans too. Also, something being a comic, cartoon, or movie is irrelevant to the logic and realism behind it. Comics, cartoons, and movies are all just different forms of mediums. That is literally it. There are comics and cartoons very grounded in reality and very logical, there are movies that are very unrealistic and not very logical, there are comics and cartoons very unrealistic and not logical, and there are movies that are very logical. This might be a bit off topic but I think people who say you don't need to have logic or intelligent things that make sense in a comic or cartoon are undermining the mediums and are partly responsible for comics and cartoons being viewed as nothing but children's mediums by a lot of people in the western world.
Agreed; TAS-M could've done a hell a lot better to actually make Lizard not kid friendly. He didn't even try to kill and doesn't look remotely scary.
He didn't try to kill? How about all the police officers he attacked and cars he flipped over? He tried to kill Ratha at one point in the movie too. Hell, he killed one major character in the movie. As for him being scary, at least he had a few scary scenes in the movie, like the sewer scene and the scene where he spots Gwen in the closet (everyone in theatres jumped from their seats during that moment lol).
I never said Green Goblin couldn't have been better, but I still viewed GG loads better than Lizard. GG actually felt like a menacing villain in Raimi's origin film, Lizard did not at anywhere throughout the duration of TAS-M.
Well, that's more of an opinion and I can't say much on that. I personally didn't find GG in SM1 scary at all while I thought the Lizard had a few scary scenes in TASM (the ones I brought up earlier). I also felt the Lizard was more of a threat in general than GG. Not only did he get a lot closer to taking over the city and was a much bigger threat to the city than GG was but Spider-Man also couldn't physically defeat him in a fight. Why would that matter, you might wonder? Well, if you compare Spider-Man and GG in SM1, they're pretty much on an equal physical level throughout the movie until the end where Spider-Man overpowers him. Then if you compare TASM's Spider-Man with SM1's Spider-Man, TASM's version of Spider-Man seems faster, more agile, stronger, more flexible, more intelligent, etc. So basically, I feel that the Lizard in this movie was stronger than GG in the first Raimi movie thus he was more of a threat to begin with. Tobey's Spider-Man would've had a harder time beating him than GG but that's just my opinion based on what I've observed.
The same could be said for Lizard, but what's your point? TSSM did wonders with many of Spidey's villains and better than any of the live action villains other than Doc Ock.
True (and I would include Doc Ock in there but that's just my opinion). The same thing can be said for Lizard but I feel that the Lizard in TASM could at least put up a fight with the Lizard in TSSM, maybe even beat him at this point since TASM's Lizard is more intelligent while we never got to see TSSM's Lizard's level of intelligence due to the show being cancelled prematurely. The gap between the GG's is far far bigger. I feel that TSSM's Green Goblin would mop the floor with SM1's Green Goblin.
They tried very hard to make the science seem real, I'll give it that, but that's about it. The science can be fine, but the plan itself into turning the citizens into lizards as well is something I didn't care for and I wish they had something else, or at least make it a smaller, more personal situation where Connors tried to turn his own family into lizards just like the 90s series. THAT I wouldn't mind because it was only two more people turning into lizards which wouldn't seem like a B-rated sci-fi idea and would also make the plan itself so much more personal.
I'm pretty sure the Lizard tried to turn everyone into a Lizard in the 90s series as well. He said his wife would've been the first one and then everyone else.
t: also, pacing is a little better in the old one, and tone is really consistent in SM1, when in TASM the tone changes from like a character driven flick to a basic superhero movie
