So what's goin on with the Sentry now?!

[TheCorpulent1]

"That woman Ultron" was apparently much more powerful than any incarnation of Ultron we'd seen before, though (obviously, she was trumped by Ultron's later appearance as master of the Phalanx). The Hulk thing is easily explained by the Sentry pushing himself harder than he normally does. It's explicitly stated that the Sentry didn't want to fight the Hulk in the first place because he'd have to unleash more of his power than he's comfortable using normally. Besides, it's not like the Hulk was that powerful at the time. The Juggernaut seemed to be about even with him; their match was cut short solely by the fact that the Hulk tripped Jugs and then left before he could get back up. Similarly, if you consider that the Absorbing Man would've gotten all of the Sentry's power instead of just what he normally uses, I could see how it might overload him.

Basically, the only real inconsistency is the Helicarrier, since he probably should've been able to lift that. And it's not like every single other high-powered superhero doesn't have numerous instances of power inconsistency. The Hulk getting choked by a snake? The Silver Surfer getting knocked out by a brick? Thor in practically every appearance he's ever had with the Avengers?

 

[moraldeficiency]

His original showings didn't actually show him having the power of a literal million exploding suns, but a power that was indeed immense. If you're going to say the levels he was portrayed as having are stupid, then you'd have to say that Superman is stupid, that Thor is stupid, that Silver Surfer is stupid, that Phoenix is stupid, that Thanos is stupid, that, well, you get the idea.

If you scale back the level of Sentry's power, he's simply not the same character. He is supposed to be Earth's most powerful hero. More importantly, his power doesn't NEED to be scaled back, the character just needs to be used properly (it's like adding Silver Surfer on to the Avengers, what use is anybody else then in a fight?)

And yes it's better to have a group of heroes that are relatively equal rather than one where a single member outclasses the others so badly that his co-members are useless in virtually every imaginable conflict. Yes, both situations can be done by a really good writer, but it would be increasingly difficult to come up with sensible ways for the other MAs to be be useful with Sentry around, whereas with a group of similarly leveled heroes (superman, ww, mm, etc) you can simply consistenly make the power levels of their threats higher.

So, to summarize:

Sentry and MAs- With weaker enemies, Sentry can wipe them all out in the blink of an eye before the other heroes can reach them.
If you give him an opponent powerful enough to actually be difficult to him (without depowering him, bear in mind he's supposed to be able to laugh off getting hit by a nuke) then the other Avengers shouldn't be of any use in the situation except using really unique skills if necessary (then Iron Man would be reduced to just being the tech guy, for example. But again, what special skills would Ares or Wonder Man have? They're mostly just fighters, and are both outclassed by Sentry).

superman is stupid less and less currently. During his sundipping eras I'd have totally agreed with you but that's changing for the better now.

Thor is a god and fights other gods which are completely capable of doing him immense harm. The SS deals with universal problems on a much much greater scale than single planetary nonsense so that doesn't hold up either. Thanos is a universal threat and the phoenix force is a universal threat not really based on earth. Here's a basic rule of thumb, if the person can crack the earth in two easily then they probably shouldn't be here on a constant basis unless they're just based here (thor, doc strange). If they are you really need to struggle to find them a conflict but it is possible (see all star superman for how to do this right).

Sentry can't wipe his own ass without crying about it for several days. You might say doing stuff is his kryptonite. But as mentioned before, he works best as an out of 616 character or as a moron being led around by actual smart people. Ares and wonderman are much more effective than the sentry, both are smarter and both actually do things and both can be spoken too without the possiblility of them running away crying and possibly eradicating a few planets in a massive temper tantrum.

 

[random_havoc]

superman is stupid less and less currently. During his sundipping eras I'd have totally agreed with you but that's changing for the better now.

Thor is a god and fights other gods which are completely capable of doing him immense harm. The SS deals with universal problems on a much much greater scale than single planetary nonsense so that doesn't hold up either. Thanos is a universal threat and the phoenix force is a universal threat not really based on earth. Here's a basic rule of thumb, if the person can crack the earth in two easily then they probably shouldn't be here on a constant basis unless they're just based here (thor, doc strange). If they are you really need to struggle to find them a conflict but it is possible (see all star superman for how to do this right).

Sentry can't wipe his own ass without crying about it for several days. You might say doing stuff is his kryptonite. But as mentioned before, he works best as an out of 616 character or as a moron being led around by actual smart people. Ares and wonderman are much more effective than the sentry, both are smarter and both actually do things and both can be spoken too without the possiblility of them running away crying and possibly eradicating a few planets in a massive temper tantrum.

Ares and Wonderman are CLEARLY outclassed by the Sentry as he was originally portrayed, which was my point. The ONLY reason you can make ANY claim that they're remotely useful when Sentry is around is because Bendis added all that trash onto him.
The crap you mentioned at the end is the rambling, ******ed writing Bendis did to cripple Sentry BECAUSE if he didn't then all the other MAs would be useless 99% of the time. You've only proven my point: You either need to SEVERELY depower him (writing him as essentially an invalid) OR he needs to be off the avengers and stories written about him that can portray him at his proper levels facing appropriate threats. I'd much prefer he be off on his own rather than ruin what was a really interesting character.
All you've done is bash the only writing of the character that I've hated anyways, but nice try.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Ares and Wonderman are CLEARLY outclassed by the Sentry as he was originally portrayed, which was my point. The ONLY reason you can make ANY claim that they're remotely useful when Sentry is around is because Bendis added all that trash onto him.
The crap you mentioned at the end is the rambling, ******ed writing Bendis did to cripple Sentry BECAUSE if he didn't then all the other MAs would be useless 99% of the time. You've only proven my point: You either need to SEVERELY depower him (writing him as essentially an invalid) OR he needs to be off the avengers and stories written about him that can portray him at his proper levels facing appropriate threats. I'd much prefer he be off on his own rather than ruin what was a really interesting character.
All you've done is bash the only writing of the character that I've hated anyways, but nice try.

In terms of raw power maybe, but in terms of deads and actions? Not a chance in hell. Both are also immensely more intelligent and with far better reasoning and judgement abilities. Basically all the sentry has is he can overwhelm his opponent. But anyone with the slightest amount of intelligence can easily mind**** the sentry into beating himself. Both are also older with more experience (ares especially) in combat and training, and neither one is a random drug addict that no one really trusts or has confidence in.

No, my point was the sentry's always been depowered. Unless you buy that he's tougher than galactus, and if that's where you're at, then we're done cause you like immensely stupid characters and concepts, which is your right. But if you consider the sentry at a level based on his powers as described in that origin you love so much, then thor would trash him in a fight and that's sans odinpower. My point was that an uber powerful character or two does fit on the avengers, hell the JLA has five.

Bash writing of bendis? Me? Nah, I'm pretty much bashing ever depiction of him if he's in the 616. This is a guy that shows kids how cool being a drug addict can be. This is a guy who overpowers everyone he meets. So druggie and bully equals not much of a hero or anyone that should be looked up to unless you like shooting heroin and kicking small children, but like I said before if that's your thing it's cool with me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I really hope Thor gets a chance to punch Sentry in the mouth one day. Ares, too, although he's done that a few times already.

 

[Captain Useless]

I hope the writers start writing him like he actually got a pair of testicules.

I remember when he kicked Doom's ass and ripped his mask off, although I didn't like Doom looking so weak, it was great to see Sentry being more of a badass.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

At this point, I don't even want to see a badass Sentry. They had their chance to try and balance him out over the last 2 years. Now he's perfectly positioned to get his face caved in and for all the readers to cheer when it happens, so why not make it happen? Especially now that he's sided with the bad guys.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I loved watching OG torch make sentry cry fire, brought a big smile to my face. I'd smile even more if thor did some hammer bashing.

 

[Captain Useless]

I'd love to see Thor smash Bendis' face in.

 

[lowly marvelite]

So does that mean Thor will get to hit the Sentry in his face during the main event?

Wouldn't that be a great fight? I want to see Thor and the Sentry and the Silver Surfer and the Sentry duke it out.

 

[random_havoc]

I hope the writers start writing him like he actually got a pair of testicules.

I remember when he kicked Doom's ass and ripped his mask off, although I didn't like Doom looking so weak, it was great to see Sentry being more of a badass.

Amen brother!

 

[random_havoc]

In terms of raw power maybe, but in terms of deads and actions? Not a chance in hell. Both are also immensely more intelligent and with far better reasoning and judgement abilities. Basically all the sentry has is he can overwhelm his opponent. But anyone with the slightest amount of intelligence can easily mind**** the sentry into beating himself. Both are also older with more experience (ares especially) in combat and training, and neither one is a random drug addict that no one really trusts or has confidence in.

No, my point was the sentry's always been depowered. Unless you buy that he's tougher than galactus, and if that's where you're at, then we're done cause you like immensely stupid characters and concepts, which is your right. But if you consider the sentry at a level based on his powers as described in that origin you love so much, then thor would trash him in a fight and that's sans odinpower. My point was that an uber powerful character or two does fit on the avengers, hell the JLA has five.

Bash writing of bendis? Me? Nah, I'm pretty much bashing ever depiction of him if he's in the 616. This is a guy that shows kids how cool being a drug addict can be. This is a guy who overpowers everyone he meets. So druggie and bully equals not much of a hero or anyone that should be looked up to unless you like shooting heroin and kicking small children, but like I said before if that's your thing it's cool with me.

First, I'll try to keep this polite because I hate bickering on message boards.

Second, you clearly pick and choose which of my points you'll address and ignore others. For example, I already explained why having multiple uber powered people makes a hell of a lot more sense. I don't see any rational way you can rebut those arguments, which is perhaps why just ignored that post. Fine with me, though the bigger thing to do would be to at least just not comment on it again rather than state the same claim I've already refuted.

Third, I already pointed out that you've been commenting only on the later, terrible writing of the Sentry when you bash the character. I've already also stated that I've mostly hated that stuff. So you re-stating it about him and claiming that it makes Ares or Wonder Man comparable, let alone better, is clearly a strawman argument.
One of the ways that Sentry has been downplayed is that they've made him look foolish and unstrategic despite the fact that in his original portrayal he was supposed to be one of the first heroes in the MU modern age. That would mean he actually has MORE experience than Wonderman (clearly not more than Ares but Ares has most consistently been shown as not being that impressive anyways). In fact Sentry is supposed to have helped give tips to a number of Marvel's main characters and been a colleague to Reed Richards, Dr Strange, and Prof X.
So, yes, Bendis and others have dumbed him down and de-powered him.

Lastly, your claim that Sentry, in the original mini, was only at a power level where even regular Thor would demolish only reveals that you need to go back and re-read that mini. In the mini Sentry laughs within moments of being at the center of a nuclear blast. Takes attacks from Hulk without budging a single inch, and is seen as the only hope by all the Marvel heroes against the Void, despite Thor standing RIGHT THERE AMONG THEM. Now, you can bash that and say "well, that's cuz it was his mini", but the fact remains there was all that and more. That's just the first few things that came to mind. Not to mention that Reed described him as the most powerful being on the planet (if there's anyone more qualified to make a knowledgeable assessment on that I'd like to know which character that would be).

Therefore all of my previous points stand. Your attacks were backed only by faulty argumentation.

 

[Red Mask]

Sentry should be another incarnation of the Beyonder.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I loved watching OG torch make sentry cry fire, brought a big smile to my face.

That was EXCELLENT, wasn't it? t:

 

[fifthfiend]

post deleted due to being inordinately pointless.

 

[moraldeficiency]

First, I'll try to keep this polite because I hate bickering on message boards.

Second, you clearly pick and choose which of my points you'll address and ignore others. For example, I already explained why having multiple uber powered people makes a hell of a lot more sense. I don't see any rational way you can rebut those arguments, which is perhaps why just ignored that post. Fine with me, though the bigger thing to do would be to at least just not comment on it again rather than state the same claim I've already refuted.

Third, I already pointed out that you've been commenting only on the later, terrible writing of the Sentry when you bash the character. I've already also stated that I've mostly hated that stuff. So you re-stating it about him and claiming that it makes Ares or Wonder Man comparable, let alone better, is clearly a strawman argument.
One of the ways that Sentry has been downplayed is that they've made him look foolish and unstrategic despite the fact that in his original portrayal he was supposed to be one of the first heroes in the MU modern age. That would mean he actually has MORE experience than Wonderman (clearly not more than Ares but Ares has most consistently been shown as not being that impressive anyways). In fact Sentry is supposed to have helped give tips to a number of Marvel's main characters and been a colleague to Reed Richards, Dr Strange, and Prof X.
So, yes, Bendis and others have dumbed him down and de-powered him.

Lastly, your claim that Sentry, in the original mini, was only at a power level where even regular Thor would demolish only reveals that you need to go back and re-read that mini. In the mini Sentry laughs within moments of being at the center of a nuclear blast. Takes attacks from Hulk without budging a single inch, and is seen as the only hope by all the Marvel heroes against the Void, despite Thor standing RIGHT THERE AMONG THEM. Now, you can bash that and say "well, that's cuz it was his mini", but the fact remains there was all that and more. That's just the first few things that came to mind. Not to mention that Reed described him as the most powerful being on the planet (if there's anyone more qualified to make a knowledgeable assessment on that I'd like to know which character that would be).

Therefore all of my previous points stand. Your attacks were backed only by faulty argumentation.

no.

 

[moraldeficiency]

That was EXCELLENT, wasn't it? t:

Best use of that lame character evah!

 

[Red Mask]

So, Sentry and Ares are part of the team that has the Dark Avengers. I knew those dweebs couldn't be trusted.

 

[storyteller]

There are only two choices.

The "dark avengers" or the New Avengers. The new avengers are outlaws. Ares is an anti hero. Stark basically bought ares with a check(and the whole son thing). He aint wolverine, "Im a badass loner but on the inside im a good guy who lost his way"..........more like " Im a badass GOD OF FLIPPEN WAR, I thrive in carnage, but i'm having a low point with my dad out of the picture an all".

Anyway back to Sentry. Sentry cant be an outlaw. A man with that much power playing with the "Bad Guys" is gonna lead to chaos. The other choice is to place himself on a team close to the devil and maybe just maybe send that devil back to hell.

Or its a void influence or drugs. But I dont see it as much of a stretch for the sentry to work for Osbourne. The "dark avengers" now represent the official avenger team(ala mighty avengers", they have to play good guy.

 

[random_havoc]

At this point i've basically given up on the avengers. I'm still vaguely interested in what they do with sentry since he's my fav character but I'm not gonna collect stuff with him again til the find a writer who can handle the character competently.

 

[random_havoc]

no.

Your logic is undeniable lol

 

[TheCorpulent1]

At this point i've basically given up on the avengers. I'm still vaguely interested in what they do with sentry since he's my fav character but I'm not gonna collect stuff with him again til the find a writer who can handle the character competently.

You have my sympathy.

 

[random_havoc]

You have my sympathy.

Thank you. It is pretty horrendous what Bendis and Pak have done with him.

 

[lowly marvelite]

Y'now, that was kinda odd. I mean they never really continued with the whole Sentry thing. When he returned, he looked like he morphed into an amalgam of the Void and the Sentry...my guess is something really odd is going on with him in terms of what he is now. While I'm on the subject of the Sentry: why was he even created? I mean, Marvel already has some heavy hitters more powerful than Superman...so what's appealing about someone of that power level if they're an agoraphobic, paranoid-schizophrenic? Unless, perhaps Marvel plans on allowing him to be comsumed by his alter-ego? Also, why was Hulk so afraid of the Void in the second Sentry mini-series? I mean, Hulk went toe to toe with the Sentry in WW Hulk #5, and the Void and Sentry are one and the same being, no? Confusing stuff...or just poor writing...personally, I think they should either write the Sentry as a golden child that could've had it all and fell and became one of Marvel's most feared villains...or just get rid of him altogether...

 

[random_havoc]

Y'now, that was kinda odd. I mean they never really continued with the whole Sentry thing. When he returned, he looked like he morphed into an amalgam of the Void and the Sentry...my guess is something really odd is going on with him in terms of what he is now. While I'm on the subject of the Sentry: why was he even created? I mean, Marvel already has some heavy hitters more powerful than Superman...so what's appealing about someone of that power level if they're an agoraphobic, paranoid-schizophrenic? Unless, perhaps Marvel plans on allowing him to be comsumed by his alter-ego? Also, why was Hulk so afraid of the Void in the second Sentry mini-series? I mean, Hulk went toe to toe with the Sentry in WW Hulk #5, and the Void and Sentry are one and the same being, no? Confusing stuff...or just poor writing...personally, I think they should either write the Sentry as a golden child that could've had it all and fell and became one of Marvel's most feared villains...or just get rid of him altogether...

Your point regarding Hulk is yet one more great example as to why WWH was a flaming pile of turd. The whole mini was completely inconsistent with many other points established previously on panel in other comics. It's like Pak just decided consistency flat out doesn't matter.. But then again that's worked for Loeb so maybe that's a new policy at Marvel.