So which Wolverine are we gonna see? Sympathetic-Cinema Wolverine or Comic Wolvy?

[LastSunrise1981]

X2 Wolverine was the best.....until he bear hugged Cyclops and was crying at the end. THAT was very very bad.

Well to be fair he didn't really hug Cyclops. Cyclops just broke down in his arms. If anything that was a very tragic and beautiful scene to see Cyclops break down in the arms of a man who he hates to some extent.

But which Wolverine will we get in the film? Well, I'm not exactly. I love the comics, the novels, and the first two X-Men films. But I hope we get more of a Wolverine from X1/X2. But just out of curiousity, which origin are they going with Wolverine in this film? Are they going to explore his Civil War days, Samurai's, Yakuza's, and so forth?

Or is it going to focus more on Weapon X?

 

[WeaponXProject]

Well to be fair he didn't really hug Cyclops. Cyclops just broke down in his arms. If anything that was a very tragic and beautiful scene to see Cyclops break down in the arms of a man who he hates to some extent.

But which Wolverine will we get in the film? Well, I'm not exactly. I love the comics, the novels, and the first two X-Men films. But I hope we get more of a Wolverine from X1/X2. But just out of curiousity, which origin are they going with Wolverine in this film? Are they going to explore his Civil War days, Samurai's, Yakuza's, and so forth?

Or is it going to focus more on Weapon X?

Just Weapon X and a little military history. They said no samurai stuff. Did you watch the bootlegged trailer?

 

[The Guard]

When did we see the rage? Not when he fought Sabretooth, not when he got his a$$ beat by Yoriko and the only thing close was in the manshion in X-2 but he was responding to everyone and using tactics. Definitely not in X-3, in the woods he used military tactics when he jumped out of the tree and snuck up on the guards. I interpret the feral rage as animal out of control.

Well, you're never going to see the kind of physical, almost cartoony rage he displays in the cartoons and comics, where he becomes Sonic the Hedgehog for a few moments. Human beings generally cannot move like that or do that, and it comes across as cheesy as hell at a certain point.

He has always been a loner, the other X-Men would come to him when was at the manshion and it would always end with him walking away or shunning them, except Jean, Nightcrawler or the Professor. The others would try to help him understand himself when he didn't even know who he is.

I suppose he's something of a loner, but not always. You're talking about a man who has been on many teams, on many families, has had romances, etc. Feeling alone sometimes and wanting to do things by yourself does not, in itself, make you an actual loner.

 

[DMRadz]

I haven't read pretty much of anything before 2004. So I downloaded some torrents of the old X-Men comics. I'm just past Days of Futures Past. I didn't realize how caring and sympathetic Wolverine actually was. I just assumed he was a loose cannon. So the way I see it now... Wolvie in the X-Men movies isn't that far from comic Wolvie.

 

[Legion]

I haven't read pretty much of anything before 2004. So I downloaded some torrents of the old X-Men comics. I'm just past Days of Futures Past. I didn't realize how caring and sympathetic Wolverine actually was. I just assumed he was a loose cannon. So the way I see it now... Wolvie in the X-Men movies isn't that far from comic Wolvie.

How can you say that Wolverine in the old comics is sympathetic like in the movies? In the Days of the Future Past comics he contemplates turning his claws on Storm when she commands him to retract them or "use them on me first". He is more than willing to put down Professor X when he has transformed into Brood. Earlier than that he attacked Nightcrawler when he laughed at him in a danger room exercise. The closest we see to Wolverine getting into a confrontation with one of his team mates in the movies, when he and Cyclops first meet.

At times his own team mates had to be afraid of him, but look at one of his earlies battlest with Magneto. Wolverine slashed him with his claws leaving Magneto completely horrified. Magneto would continue to refer to Wolverine as a maniac and lunatic. It takes a certain type of person to put fear into "Earth's most powerful super-villain."

I definitely see Wolverine as a loose canon. He's the kind of guy that would gladly take a bullet for his friend, even if it killed him. He would go to the ends of the earth to avenge a fallen comrade. But if you look at him funny or hurt his pride, his claws might be pointing at you next.

 

[DMRadz]

Yea they are afraid cause of the way he snaps. Which is obviously something the movies didn't capture. I totally agree with that. But you easily can see Wolvie backing up his teammates. Yea he doesn't cry like a baby like in X-3, but u can tell he's hurting.

Spoiler alert on the Brood thing. I'm not there yet!!! J/K.

 

[COAL TIGER]

I haven't read pretty much of anything before 2004. So I downloaded some torrents of the old X-Men comics. I'm just past Days of Futures Past. I didn't realize how caring and sympathetic Wolverine actually was. I just assumed he was a loose cannon. So the way I see it now... Wolvie in the X-Men movies isn't that far from comic Wolvie.

Hey where can I download those comics?

 

[WeaponXProject]

Well, you're never going to see the kind of physical, almost cartoony rage he displays in the cartoons and comics, where he becomes Sonic the Hedgehog for a few moments. Human beings generally cannot move like that or do that, and it comes across as cheesy as hell at a certain point.



I suppose he's something of a loner, but not always. You're talking about a man who has been on many teams, on many families, has had romances, etc. Feeling alone sometimes and wanting to do things by yourself does not, in itself, make you an actual loner.

The feral is easy to do as long as it is done in a quick speeds. If he were to kill and kill quickly which he better when he busts out of Weapon X. Cheesy? Its what he is known for. It's his Mr. Hyde. He has to do it to show the conflict of him trying to be normal but has the animal in him. Hence the line in the trailer, "Become the animal." or Stryker in X-2, "You were an animal then and your an animal now. I just gave you claws."

And for the loner part. It's his personality and image not his memberships. He may be in Alpha Flight and the New Avengers and the X-Men but that has nothing to do with his personality. Before the X-Men he trusted no one and those who he did screwed him over or died. This a man who doesn't know who he is or why he is. He pushes people away with rude lines. He goes his own way. He has trouble controlling himself so he keeps away from people. C'mon you know that.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

I hope we see bad ass Wolverine.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

I hope we see bad ass Wolverine.

 

[[A]]

So which Wolverine are we gonna see? Sympathetic-Cinema Wolverine or Comic Wolvy?

Sympathetic-bit-of-a-whiny-Cinema-PG13-Wolverine.. that's the one.

 

[DMRadz]

Sympathetic-bit-of-a-whiny-Cinema-PG13-Wolverine.. that's the one.

I doubt it. We're gonna get "I'm gonna gut you like a fish, bub" Wolvie.

 

[[A]]

Let's hope for that *crosses fingers*

 

[Congo Jack]

But just out of curiousity, which origin are they going with Wolverine in this film? Are they going to explore his Civil War days, Samurai's, Yakuza's, and so forth?

Or is it going to focus more on Weapon X?

It looks like they're going with some of the story from Quesada/Jemas/Jenkin's ORIGIN and then the Weapon X stuff.

 

[Project862006]

if we get wolverine xmen 1 cage fight/bar scene i will very happy

 

[WeaponXProject]

if we get wolverine xmen 1 cage fight/bar scene i will very happy

Love that scene.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Just Weapon X and a little military history. They said no samurai stuff. Did you watch the bootlegged trailer?

I did see the bootleg trailers. But you know how trailers are and how they sometimes don't show the other stories involved.

 

[The Guard]

The feral is easy to do as long as it is done in a quick speeds. If he were to kill and kill quickly which he better when he busts out of Weapon X. Cheesy? Its what he is known for. It's his Mr. Hyde. He has to do it to show the conflict of him trying to be normal but has the animal in him. Hence the line in the trailer, "Become the animal." or Stryker in X-2, "You were an animal then and your an animal now. I just gave you claws."

That's all well and good...my point is this: The human body does not move physically in the way that it can be animated to move. Actors (and even stuntmen) generally cannot move like a real "berserker" rage would require them to do. So the berserker rage for Logan, when he goes there, in order to look more realistic and not kill the actors through exertion, is visually "toned down" compared to what people "expect" it to look like based on their knowledge of it from the comics/animated series.

And for the loner part. It's his personality and image not his memberships. He may be in Alpha Flight and the New Avengers and the X-Men but that has nothing to do with his personality. Before the X-Men he trusted no one and those who he did screwed him over or died. This a man who doesn't know who he is or why he is. He pushes people away with rude lines. He goes his own way. He has trouble controlling himself so he keeps away from people. C'mon you know that.

What you are describing is the elements of a paranoid ******* who has trouble loving himself. Not an outright loner. When he pushed people away, it was never for good.

 

[WeaponXProject]

That's all well and good...my point is this: The human body does not move physically in the way that it can be animated to move. Actors (and even stuntmen) generally cannot move like a real "berserker" rage would require them to do. So the berserker rage for Logan, when he goes there, in order to look more realistic and not kill the actors through exertion, is visually "toned down" compared to what people "expect" it to look like based on their knowledge of it from the comics/animated series.



What you are describing is the elements of a paranoid ******* who has trouble loving himself. Not an outright loner. When he pushed people away, it was never for good.

You may be the only person in the world that disagrees that Wolverine is a loner. And you are wrong. Paranoia would cause people to be alone. And I would see it as a trust issue and less of paranoia. Stan Lee describes him as a loner. Frank Miller describes him as a loner. And in the Origins stories he obviously is a loner. Going on his own into the woods with the wolves. Hunting on his own.

As for the feral. That is the comics you are discribing. How do you know how he moves? It's picture to picture. WTF? I don't know what you expect it to be but i don't want to see him stab a person and the screen cut away like in X-2. You know he is going to freak out in the Weapon X experiment. So you don't want it? Because the human body can't move that way? When has he contorted his body to move so awkward? What are you refering to? All he has to do is scream and stab that guy and the next guy and the next with some furiousity.

 

[The Guard]

You may be the only person in the world that disagrees that Wolverine is a loner. And you are wrong. Paranoia would cause people to be alone. And I would see it as a trust issue and less of paranoia. Stan Lee describes him as a loner. Frank Miller describes him as a loner. And in the Origins stories he obviously is a loner. Going on his own into the woods with the wolves. Hunting on his own.

Yeah, those writers sure love to call him things like "the lone wolverine". Sounds good. On paper. But I may also be the only person in the world who realizes what "loner" actually means.

The dictionary describes loner as

"a person who avoids the company or assistance of others"

This does not describe Wolverine. He is on a Special Ops team before Weapon X. He has friends there. He has allies. He has romantic interests. After joining the X-Men, he lives at a Mansion with his "family" and continues to have friends and romantic interests. He may like to handle things himself for the most part, but he does not always reject assistance or friendship.

I like to be by myself sometimes. In fact, I love it. I am self reliant. However, I am not a loner just because sometimes I am alone.

Is Wolverine sometimes alone? Sure, we all are, but in the broad terms of his character, he is nothing close to an actual, true, textbook, loner.

As for the feral. That is the comics you are discribing. How do you know how he moves? It's picture to picture. WTF? I don't know what you expect it to be but i don't want to see him stab a person and the screen cut away like in X-2. You know he is going to freak out in the Weapon X experiment. So you don't want it? Because the human body can't move that way? When has he contorted his body to move so awkward? What are you refering to? All he has to do is scream and stab that guy and the next guy and the next with some furiousity.

I didn't say I didn't want the berserker rage. I was explaining why it doesn't appear the same as in other versions to someone felt we hadn't already seen it, even though we clearly have.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Yeah, those writers sure love to call him things like "the lone wolverine". Sounds good. On paper. But I may also be the only person in the world who realizes what "loner" actually means.

The dictionary describes loner as

"a person who avoids the company or assistance of others"

This does not describe Wolverine. He is on a Special Ops team before Weapon X. He has friends there. He has allies. He has romantic interests. After joining the X-Men, he lives at a Mansion with his "family" and continues to have friends and romantic interests. He may like to handle things himself for the most part, but he does not always reject assistance or friendship.

I like to be by myself sometimes. In fact, I love it. I am self reliant. However, I am not a loner just because sometimes I am alone.

Is Wolverine sometimes alone? Sure, we all are, but in the broad terms of his character, he is nothing close to an actual, true, textbook, loner.



I didn't say I didn't want the berserker rage. I was explaining why it doesn't appear the same as in other versions to someone felt we hadn't already seen it, even though we clearly have.

Like I said you are wrong. You are telling me that Stan Lee's description and Frank Miller's description of a guy from Marvel's series and that Frank Miller once was apart of are wrong and you are right. Frank Miller has stated he is the "gruff loner". Stan Lee has said "loner" about Wolverine many of times.

A loner is a person who avoids the company of others. He does. You are arguing Once again you are describing where he is and who he knows and not who he is. Look at the character and not the team. And don't try to say, "Well I know the actual definition." Well not in the context of the character. A loner can be resentful, tries to fly solo, doesn't go with the flow. Compared to all the other X-Men he is a text book example of a loner. But Wolverine's actions and persona are obviously a loner. I know a loner who has been in groups. You even say he likes to handle things alone. He searched his past alone. He is always found by himself when people come looking for him. Your term for loner is like a person that people don't even know exist. You are describing Mark David Chapman not Logan.

And you never say when we saw the feral.

 

[The Guard]

Like I said you are wrong. You are telling me that Stan Lee's description and Frank Miller's description of a guy from Marvel's series and that Frank Miller once was apart of are wrong and you are right. Frank Miller has stated he is the "gruff loner". Stan Lee has said "loner" about Wolverine many of times.

They can SAY what they want. They can SHOW what they want in a few stories. That doesn't make him, in the context of his place in the Marvel universe and the X-Men mythology, strictly fit the definition of the concept of a loner. I'll give you that he's gruff, but the best that can be said about his interaction with others is that "sometimes" he's a loner. I mean, how many times has Wolverine "teamed up" with people, gone into battle with the X-Men, etc, etc, etc. Someone who constantly fights with a team of people cannot be a loner. If you want to believe that people who sometimes do things alone are "loners", you go right ahead.

A loner is a person who avoids the company of others. He does.

Really? So Logan has no friends? He never seeks out friendship, or assistance from friends?

Once again you are describing where he is and who he knows and not who he is.

I see...so his status as one of the major members of the X-Men, as a mentor to the younger members... that isn't part who he is?

Look at the character and not the team.

Uh...no. You can't just remove the character from his significance as part of the team.

And don't try to say, "Well I know the actual definition." Well not in the context of the character. A loner can be resentful, tries to fly solo, doesn't go with the flow.

Everyone can do that sometimes. A lot of of the time Wolverine pitches right in, flies with the team, and does go with the flow.

Compared to all the other X-Men he is a text book example of a loner.

Because he's alone every so often? He's not a textbook example of a loner anymore than Batman is.

But Wolverine's actions and persona are obviously a loner. I know a loner who has been in groups.

Really? Show me how his actions and persona fit the definition of the concept of loner.

You know a loner who has been in groups? Ok...are they still in groups? Because if they are, this person you know, I have news for you, if they are in groups more often than they are not...they are NOT an actual loner.

You even say he likes to handle things alone.

Sure. Sometimes, like most of us do. It's called being self-reliant.

He searched his past alone.

As we all do from time to time.

He is always found by himself when people come looking for him.

Except when he's found with Jubilee...or Nightcrawler. Or Jean.

Your term for loner is like a person that people don't even know exist. You are describing Mark David Chapman not Logan.

No, my term for loner comes from the dictionary. My term involves what the term actually means. Not what people who don't know what it means think it means.

In the comic books, Wolverine is not a loner in any real sense of the word. He cannot be, as long as he is a willing participant of Alpha Flight, the X-Men, or any other superteam or group of friends and allies. He may want to be. He may have been at one point, and he may try to be again sometimes because he's socially awkward. But he always comes back to the X-Men, to allies and friends, and he values these things and even seeks them out, and thus he is not, in the general sense of the character, an actual loner.

And you never say when we saw the feral.

When he has a nightmare and can't control his anger and rage, and stabs Rogue in X-MEN. When he goes ape**** in the mansion in X2, and during his fight with Deathstrike at a certain point. When he's in the forest in X3.

 

[DMRadz]

My man broke that down!!! Its true. I can see that he's not text book loner. If he was a true loner, he'd be a gun for hire. True, he likes to go off on his own when something emotional hits him. He likes to keep everything bottled up. I think that's what people mean by loner. But I see your points of by him standing by the X-Men, living with them, going on vacations with them... it's not what a loner does.

 

[The Guard]

Wolverine is an interesting character precisely because of his capability for emotion, and the fact that he fights so hard against that even though he wants to be normal and belong so badly. It's this humanity/animal conflict that makes him so compelling.

 

[DMRadz]

He even slips some humor in every once and a while. That's why he's sweet. I wasn't too big of a fan until I started reading the old comics.