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[MakeMinesMarvel]

Re: new ending from alex

Spoiler

I think the Peter, Aunt May and Gwen beats feel really good.

There's something off for me about seeing the Gentleman walking through Special Projects for no reason other than to show the Rhino suit. Wish we could give this more purpose. I also think the pages read as though between this walk and his walk down the corridor at Ravenscroft to see Harry that five months have passed and I don't know why we need this scene between him and Harry. It sets up an expectation that Harry is going to break out at the end of the film but then it's Rhino we see Spidey fighting. I understand having a beat like that as a post credit piece to tease the next movie/Sinister Six but it feels odd and off-point in the midst of the Peter getting over Gwen story...

From: Belgrad, Doug
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:37 AM
To: Pascal, Amy
Cc:
Subject: Re: new ending from alex

I think it could use a little tweaking of the dialogue between May and Peter, and some of Gwen dialogue in speech. But other than that I like it.

On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:35 AM, "Pascal, Amy" <> wrote:

What do u think?

_____

 

[Daltonio]

I could only understand about half of that email (on the last page).

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Re: 'Neighbors' Poised to Shock 'Amazing Spider-Man 2' at Box Office - TheWrap
*******s

Spoiler

Still in board meeting

> On May 6, 2014, at 9:19 PM, "Tolmach, Matthew" <y.com> wrote:
>
> Can we get someone to run something about our huge international, the GOOD exits, etc? This **** takes on a life of its own...

>
> On May 6, 2014, at 9:18 PM, "Sipkins, Charles" <.com> wrote:
>
> I know. We are done with the Wrap.
>
> On May 6, 2014, at 8:19 PM, "Tolmach, Matthew" <m> wrote:
>
> they've completely gone to war with us.
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/neighbors-poised-to-shock-amazing-spider-man-2-at-box-office

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Any way to post pdf I think I found something about incremental profits for Civil War and Avengers 3/4

 

[Web-Head]

Edit

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

I am in the minority of loving ASM/ASM2 and was at first bitter about the reboot, but after reading these emails, I'm so glad these plans never saw the light of day. They're such a hot mess.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Date 2014-11-20 01:07:18
SpiderMan Scenarios v5

Spoiler

From lynton, michael
To gumpert, andrew
Attached Files
# Filename Size
SpiderMan Scenarios v5_111814.pdf


From: Ike Perlmutter <@marvel.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at 2:30 PM
To: ITPS <sony.com>
Subject: Spider-Man

Sony Incremental Profits

In millions*

Marvel 50% cofi in Spider-Man films
WWBO Marvel Sony
Spider-Man I 750 30 15
Spider-Man II 1,000 125 60
Spider-Man III 1,250 210 145

Sony 5% cofi in Marvel Films

Captain America: Civil War 1,250 (25) 25
Avengers: Age of Ultron I 2,000 (35) 35
Avengers: Age of Ultron II 2,000 (35) 35

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Marvel 30% cofi in Spider-Man films

Spider-Man I 750 30 5
Spider-Man II 1,000 75 110
Spider-Man III 1,250 125 230

Sony 5% cofi in Marvel Films

Captain America: Civil War 1,250 (25) 25
Avengers: Age of Ultron I 2,000 (35) 35
Avengers: Age of Ultron II 2,000 (35) 35

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Spider-Man Incremental Profit above Latest Film (700WWBO)

 

[PeterBenParker]

I am in the minority of loving ASM/ASM2 and was at first bitter about the reboot, but after reading these emails, I'm so glad these plans never saw the light of day. They're such a hot mess.

This was me, lol.

 

[Pecola1]

Sony Incremental Profits

In millions*

Marvel 50% cofi in Spider-Man films
WWBO Marvel Sony
Spider-Man I 750 30 15
Spider-Man II 1,000 125 60
Spider-Man III 1,250 210 145

Sony 5% cofi in Marvel Films

Captain America: Civil War 1,250 (25) 25
Avengers: Age of Ultron I 2,000 (35) 35
Avengers: Age of Ultron II 2,000 (35) 35

_______________


Marvel 30% cofi in Spider-Man films

Spider-Man I 750 30 5
Spider-Man II 1,000 75 110
Spider-Man III 1,250 125 230

Spider-Man Incremental Profit above Latest Film (700WWBO)

Besides not understanding what this means...
did you mean Infinity Wars I and Infinity Wars II (instead of Age of Ultron)

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Besides not understanding what this means...
did you mean Infinity Wars I and Infinity Wars II (instead of Age of Ultron)

I'm just copying what Ike Perlmutter from Marvel emailed him...

it looks to be a choice for Sony to decide if they want Marvel to cofiance either 30 or 50% of the Spider-Man movies while Sony fiance 5% of the Marvel movies

 

[Pecola1]

I'm just copying what Ike Perlmutter from Marvel emailed him...

it looks to be a choice for Sony to decide if they want Marvel to cofiance either 30 or 50% of the Spider-Man movies while Sony fiance 5% of the Marvel movies

Ah, my bad. I got confused since it wasn't in a quote box. I thought you made those calculations. XD
Wonder if they actually though AoU would come after CW...

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Ah, my bad. I got confused since it wasn't in a quote box. I thought you made those calculations. XD
Wonder if they actually though AoU would come after CW...

I just find this extremely interesting since this is volume 5 of the pdf so they must've had other figures and this e-mail is from November 20th

 

[Pecola1]

I just find this extremely interesting since this is volume 5 of the pdf so they must've had other figures and this e-mail is from November 20th

Hmmm... maybe v5 came after 5 years of trying to make deals with Marvel. t:
At least 5 years that Sony was trying to do math to figure out how to make a deal.
Or it could be just a 5th back and forth email where numbers were changed around some and it was all within a week.
We would have to find the others to know for sure.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Hmmm...
We would have to find the others to know for sure.

I'm already on the case... Ike seems to be the buffer between Sony and Marvel. Sony always seems to email him questions

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Even though only Spider-Man '17 has been officially been announced... I'm guessing Marvel wants to make two sequels

 

[Lilbaz]

Even though only Spider-Man '17 has been officially been announced... I'm guessing Marvel wants to make two sequels

Sounds like Sony want to see how Spidey 2017 and Cap 3 does first. If successful they will let him be in Infinity War and Marvel can do the sequels. Think Marvel would be happy to do as many sequels as they can, but they'll probably also wait to see how it goes.

Looks like the rumours of Iron Man being in the Spidey film are correct and he was the character they swapped. Going to be interesting going forward. This is basically Marvels Spiderman. Sony are just paying for it and have the right to veto a decision (probably only use it if they think it would hurt the brand, which is not in Marvels interest).

Thanks for posting all the e-mails. Took me ages to get through them, but very interesting.

 

[Lilbaz]

Seems like they thought the deal was off at one point.

Spoiler

I think that's good
I'm pretty sure the Russos will told to move on
(No spidey)
Let's get a brain trust together
I've been thinking about it a lot and talking to folks
So has everyone
I met with Sam
I love him
That isn't the answer
But it was interesting
Amy

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2

> On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Lynton, Michael wrote:
>
> Yes, will call Ike by end of week.
>
>> On 11/12/14, 8:54 AM, "Pascal, Amy" wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we are gonna hear from the marvel guys again
>> Should we put some closure on it
>> So it isn't weird
>> I've been in a little bit of a holding pattern not that drew isn't
>> writing but I know we are gonna have to deal with the location/setting
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2
>

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Sounds like Sony want to see how Spidey 2017 and Cap 3 does first. If successful they will let him be in Infinity War and Marvel can do the sequels. Think Marvel would be happy to do as many sequels as they can, but they'll probably also wait to see how it goes.

Looks like the rumours of Iron Man being in the Spidey film are correct and he was the character they swapped. Going to be interesting going forward. This is basically Marvels Spiderman. Sony are just paying for it and have the right to veto a decision (probably only use it if they think it would hurt the brand, which is not in Marvels interest).

Thanks for posting all the e-mails. Took me ages to get through them, but very interesting.

I think its the sequels that are up in the air, but it seems like infinity wars are pretty much locked from Feiges recent statements

 

[Lilbaz]

I think its the sequels that are up in the air, but it seems like infinity wars are pretty much locked from Feiges recent statements

Sorry missed that. What did he say?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Looks like the rumours of Iron Man being in the Spidey film are correct and he was the character they swapped. Going to be interesting going forward.

I would agree.. Only 3 people associated with the MCU have gone on record publicly about Spider-Man.

Feige - Teen with a home made costume already swinging through ny

Downey - Quoted saying he wants Parker on Avengers and believes Stark industries will be involved

Evans - Wants to mentor Spider-Man

Hemsworth* - didn't even know Spider-Man to marvel was a actual thing

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Also judging by Ike's estimates Marvel expects to make 4b total for Avengers: IW

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Sorry missed that. What did he say?

He said something along the lines of the plans for spidey being locked in for the next four years, basically all of phase 3. So anything beyond that (the sequels) is up in the air

 

[spider-neil]

I am really really really hoping the Marvel character to appear in Spider-Man is Daredevil. But I would say from a recognition point of view Sony would want IM.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I am really really really hoping the Marvel character to appear in Spider-Man is Daredevil. But I would say from a recognition point of view Sony would want IM.

Daredevil is hot right now though, and everybody is singing its praises for it. Definitely seems like something both sony and marvel would want to jump on, especially since its proving to be a popular team-up

 

[spider-neil]

Daredevil is hot right now though, and everybody is singing its praises for it. Definitely seems like something both sony and marvel would want to jump on, especially since its proving to be a popular team-up

From purely a MOVIE standpoint (**** profit) I absolutely think Spider-Man and DD would make a better movie than S-M and IM. Spidey and DD are both street level superheroes. They have a deep relationship in the comics and are far more relatable to each. I think the would be far easier to write where as IM would feel shoehorned in.

Also for season 2 of Daredevil, imagine the rating spike if Spider-Man shows up for an episode.