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ASM2 Focus Group Recap

Hi all,
Here is an overview of the Spider-Man groups this evening in Boston.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 came up unaided in two of the three groups, with only females 20-29 needing prompting.
In all three groups, final interest levels outpaced interest based on individual spots (only Glory in the third group matched their final tally of 9 definite interest). That said, final interest was nearly universal, with 8-9 definite and the rest probable. This is a clear indication that enthusiasm for the film comes from multiple looks rather than just one positioning. This is also consistent with the findings from the groups last week.


The following spots stood out as candidates for the campaign:

Everything Changes. This spot was the clear standout of the night - it reached the highest levels of definite interest in both the first and third groups, and was the second most-popular spot in the second group. Viewers liked that it gave you more information about Electro, but also had a balance between Electro and Green Goblin. It also introduced the villains but then pivoted to the personal stakes for Spider-Man, which women in particular were interested in. Many viewers specifically cited the copy here as memorable, and viewers felt it provided enough background without giving too much away. Greatest. This spot was shown in groups 1 and 3 and was well-received in both. This spot made the villains themselves feel like a serious threat, especially with the "enemies unite" copy that was called out in both groups as a strong positive. Promise. The success of Promise mirrored its success in testing quite closely: viewers did not believe Gwen died in the spot - and in fact about half of the viewers believed there was no way Gwen would die in the movie - but they liked the suspenseful presentation anyway. This spot was strong with the first and second groups (the latter of which has a caveat below) but the third group felt it was still too much about Gwen in the beginning. Glory and New Era performed well. Glory was strong in the last group, where viewers saw it first and were excited by the action, but the first group had a slight preference for New Era, which felt darker (in a good way).
The following spots were less successful:

Friends/Enemies. This spot was shown in the first and third groups and had moderate success with little enthusiasm. Viewers were much less interested in Harry's story, either because it made the movie feel small, as one viewer put it in the third group, or because they have already seen Green Goblin in the first iteration of Spider-Man, as one viewer said in the first group. In general, viewers were most interested in Electro in terms of the villains, and while all three groups were clear that they want it to be a combo package, this emphasis on Green Goblin was less engaging. Everything Gwen-heavy. Heart and Chemistry played up the banter between Gwen and Peter, and both spots failed to generate enthusiasm in the female group, which was generally looking for the same things the males were looking for: action, villains, and an engaging story. Emma also fell short with this group, as they felt that she was distracting and even for a few viewers "pushy." Interestingly, after a string of Gwen-heavy spots, Promise played very well to this group, who felt like the spot pivoted away from making the love angle exclusively about Gwen and more about family and affection in general. Still, the best spot for this group from an interest perspective was Greatest F, which did include a little of the romantic element - they liked that it showed that Gwen wants to help without being too aggressive. Clearly, for these females, a little went a long way.
Initial thoughts moving forward:

Suspense continues to dominate. Viewers like seeing big moments like Gwen and Spidey crashing through the window, but they also like seeing Spidey put to the test by multiple villains with a hidden agenda. The Oscorp/family history element remains a strong way to combine the villains and give viewers a sense of the elevated stakes. Electro deserves a spot. While people don't want to see just Electro, viewers were interested enough in seeing more of Jamie Foxx as Electro that developing something focused on this character is recommended. Ideally, this spot would feature plenty of the eye-catching special effects surrounding Electro - which were popular in all three groups tonight - and still feature some of the other villains and Spidey for balance. Additionally, the spot would include a bit of the "origin" of Electro and how he came to be. Gwen in prescribed doses. Viewers want Gwen to fit into Spidey's world, not the other way around. Moments like the webbing can be used in materials targeted at females and viewers who are more likely to be interested in the human side of Spidey, but viewers who are looking for an action spectacular can be turned off if materials turn too jokey. It's probably best to limit these materials and include one comedic or romantic moment at most, instead emphasizing the suspense surrounding her fate and the larger family stakes.

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Notes from 1st Focus Group

1 great. 2 very good. 1 good.
10 excellent. 8 very good. 4 good.

Like:
Spidey is NY hero
PP is funny (fixing webshooter)
Revealing truth of father (almost everyone loved the backstory opening; got his nobility from his father)
Great action - Electro; Armored Truck; Power Plant; Goblin transformation
Funny - everyone liked the humor: pulling down Alexis' pants; bedroom scene; sleeping on ceiling; Graduation call;

Favorite character - Spiderman: sarcasm, humor, insecure; conflicted and regret

Gwen's death
Aunt May talks about "my boy"
Time passing in the graveyard
Wind turbine and little boy at the end

Love Max before he was Electro. Good scene when people first see him and why he goes to hating Spider-Man.
- 3/4 think Max's transition from liking to hating Spidey was too fast.

Most people love Harry. Creepy guy, easy to imagine his evil turn. Like twist on Green Goblin (wasn't Norman).

Confusing -
Electro's feelings towards Spidey.
Why wasn't Spidey ever electrocuted?
Why was Parker dna important, didn't feel like it paid off.
What kind of illness do the Osborne's have?

Like that Gwen is smarter than Peter

14 like ending; 2 don't like; 9 in the middle
Speech - 3/4 like. 4 didn't like; 2 in middle
Rhino - 9 like, 9 didn't like, 7 in middle
- is Green Goblin dead?
- he quits being Spidey then he goes after Rhino
- Gwen told him to go live his life
- better if that was the first time we saw the speech. Not everyone agreed, different meaning the second time.
- felt sad
- feel happy because of Rhino part
- anticipating the next one
- reminded them of the Incredibles
- felt like cramming "spidey no more" into last 5 minutes.

Why not excellent:
- Electro is a cool character but doesn't seem important to the movie
- pacing - Harry and Romance too long.

8 just right
3 too slow
1/2 dragged in parts

Took a long time for Peter to go through his dad's stuff
Too much of the parts in slow motion
Highline too long (ground rules)
Oxford
Planes in the air

Definitely recommend - 12
Probably recommend - 7

See it right away - 0
See if you have a chance - 3

Balance of action and comedy
Intro of multiple villains
Electro finale
Big improvement over the first movie
Clever twist
Action, humor, conflicted romance
 
Fwd: Marvel Bringing 'Every Spider-Man Ever' Together for New Event - SuperHeroHype

Begin forwarded message:


From: "
Date: April 14, 2014 7:00:35 PM PDT

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Subject: RE: Marvel Bringing 'Every Spider-Man Ever' Together for New Event - SuperHeroHype

Hey Rachel – thanks again for letting me come over to see the film this morning. It was cool to see the film with all the bells & whistles – it turned out really great!


Re: the upcoming event – I honestly don’t know many details about the story yet – only that it’s called “Spider-Verse” and will be a multi-issue story starting in November. My understanding is that it will have some kind of dimensional hopping element so that the story can feature all the various versions of Spider-Man, including Spider-Girl, etc. (even the wacky versions like “Spider-Ham”). The central villain will be MORLUN, who first appeared in 2001 and was a pretty fierce Spidey opponent but hasn’t appeared in a while. He’s more of a supernatural villain as opposed to a science-based one.


The publishing teams like to keep things close to the vest, especially this far out but I’ll see what else I can find out, and I’ll definitely keep you posted as I learn more details.


Here’s a link to a page that tries to identify all the Spidey’s in the promo image for the event:

http://www.newsarama.com/20656-spider-verse-s-spider-men-we-try-to-name-them-all.html

Here’s a link to Morlun’s bio:

http://marvel.com/universe/Morlun





From: Om]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 6:25 PM
To: Cohen, Tom
Subject: Fwd: Marvel Bringing 'Every Spider-Man Ever' Together for New Event - SuperHeroHype

can u pls give me more info on this?
thx.

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From: "Pascal, Amy"rHeroHype

http://www.superherohype.com/news/2...ferral&utm;_campaign=crowdignite.com#/slide/4
 
It really seems like Andrew was already out the door before the Marvel deal took place. Everything from the fact that he missed the dinner, to the fact that Sony was enacting plans for Spidey 2099 with Miguel. Also with the emails about him attempting to make Sinister 6 count as the last film in his 3-movie deal?

Garfield's performance was the saving grace of the ASM franchise (along with the Effects), which makes the Marvel deal all the more necessary. We got very lucky, guys!
 
So they read SHH? Well at least Sony do? What about Marvel. Maybe they'll read some of the comments in the Spidey threads here. Of course, they'll probably read ones discussing killing off Peter in Civil War and bringing in Miles Morales. :o

And what do they mean by "Marvel Bringing 'Every Spider-Man Ever' Together for New Event - SuperHeroHype"? Was that an idea they got from here?
 
So they read SHH? Well at least Sony do? What about Marvel. Maybe they'll read some of the comments in the Spidey threads here. Of course, they'll probably read ones discussing killing off Peter in Civil War and bringing in Miles Morales. :o

And what do they mean by "Marvel Bringing 'Every Spider-Man Ever' Together for New Event - SuperHeroHype"? Was that an idea they got from here?

They saw a link about the press release announcing the Spider-Verse event in the comics that was going to happen later in 2014.
 
We did just have a fabulous meeting with the Russo brothers who made caption America that I. Just saw 25 minutes of and is entirely different than spidey but has some of the most inventive action I've seen in a long time
 
Amy getting angry

WHERE IS THE ****ING SCRIPT????
AND I HEAR THEY MAY BE DOING AVENGERS 3 PART ONE AND TWO
On Nov 11, 2014, at 9:42 AM,

> Russo brothers are thinking of Downey as the guy they just cast him in captain America. Xx. Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
 
Beginning to think Avi's idea of not running out of ideas was to lurk here, skim over the Avi bashing (hello Avi :oldrazz:), pinch some ideas and mention Venom toy sales. lol

We did just have a fabulous meeting with the Russo brothers who made caption America that I. Just saw 25 minutes of and is entirely different than spidey but has some of the most inventive action I've seen in a long time

Caption America? Well if we were to resurrect the caption pics threads again, I know what to call the one in the Cap section. :o
 
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Avi lurks here? Well then, in case he hasn't seen this before, I'll post it again just for him:

aradavi_zpsb892494f.jpg


:o
 
I want confirmation that Avi lurks. I've suspected it for years. :o:woot:
 
Wow, the Andrew situation got bad and fast. Sounded like he was desperate to escape.
 
I think he's mentioned people on here hating on him before. I was just making a joke about Sony scouring this site (and many others) for a grab bag of feedback. No idea if Avi really visits here himself.
 
Feige definitely used Russo as spies

NOT REALLY
On Oct 22, 2014, at 12:47 PM, > wrote:
ohhhh
From: <Pascal>, Amy <
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM
To: ITPS <>
Subject: Re: russos/avengers

I READ IT ON LINE
On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:29 AM, rote:
They are telling me no one over there has said anything to them about Avengers yet, maybe you know something they don’t!
 
All the comments they've listed for feedback from these different sites almost seems as if they've picked and chosen very short ones in their favour. They never list whole lengthy posts from the ASM2 review thread, for example, where people go into detail on all the problems with that movie (and similarly with the ASM thread and that movie).
 
After reading these emails it's become crystal clear that all my and probably our lack of faith in Sony is completely justified.

Major ego issues, lack of understanding of even the most basic Spidey mythos without the aid of Google :doh: Jesus, and just idiotic ideas all around.
 
Disney/Sony meeting

Spider-Man



Amy:

Thanks for your hospitality today and it was good to see you and the Sony Team.

Feel free to circle-back with me if you have any other follow-up questions from our presentation.

-pg
 
All the comments they've listed for feedback from these different sites almost seems as if they've picked and chosen very short ones in their favour. They never list whole lengthy posts from the ASM2 review thread, for example, where people go into detail on all the problems with that movie (and similarly with the ASM thread and that movie).

Of course. That would harm their precious and sensitive egos. I imagine the song "everything is awesome" is on repeat in the Sony offices.
 
Reminds me of Bendis' anecdote about them asking him in to settle their organics vs webshooters issue. Completely rudderless and without a clue.
 
Re: thoughts on the Internet rumors
Date 2014-10-08 00:04:48
From pascal, amy

xxx
On Oct 7, 2014, at 4:53 PM,

> Amy - pondering this further:
>
> Even if there was talk at Marvel about trying to approach you guys about some kind of Spidey deal, I don't think they'd leak it to the press first. At least, not intentionally and I would think you'd have heard from them by now about it.
>
> There was always a problem at Marvel with info getting leaked out - sometimes accurate but often times exaggerated or inaccurate. It drove us crazy.
>
> I think it's another one of these crazy Internet rumors and here's what I think happened:
>
> Recently, rumors started flying around online about Marvel leading up to a "Civil War" scenario in the films (based on the comic book story from 10 years ago).
>
> Of course, in the comics, Spidey was a major part of that story, however, the movies would obviously be a different version of the Civil War story.
>
> I think that possibly there were leaks about possible Civil War movie discussions, and someone along the line just assumed this meant that Spidey would somehow be involved.
>
> Voila, next thing you know, Marvel & Sony are having talks.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> -Tom
>
 
Reminds me of Bendis' anecdote about them asking him in to settle their organics vs webshooters issue. Completely rudderless and without a clue.

Yeah no kidding. And to think HIS vote was the TIE-BREAKER according to Bendis.
 
Wow, the Andrew situation got bad and fast. Sounded like he was desperate to escape.

Doesn't sound like he was too happy playing the character with the circumstances he was in. I'm sure he was genuine about taking on the role as he said many times, but it doesn't seem like it was fulfilling for him completely. Then the public comments about just echoing statements of disappointment on the final cut of the film, he seemed like he was soured by the material he had.
I think he's mentioned people on here hating on him before. I was just making a joke about Sony scouring this site (and many others) for a grab bag of feedback. No idea if Avi really visits here himself.
Yeah, I think it is pretty funny how they're always sort of watching though. Sony's tactics of 'listening to the fans' hasn't been especially for the best. They listened when people said they wanted Venom, they listened with the Lizard, webshooters, etc. but that stuff wasn't done with the best judgement. They seemed to do things like that just because people wanted them, but not really getting to the meat of why people wanted to see those things because they miss the mark for why all of those things were wanted.

Edit: You guys are right about the webshooters thing, yeah. That highlights one of the issues in a pretty drab light.
 
At least with their ideas for an 'creative overlord' like Raimi Koepp or whoever it seemed like they in some part realised they didn't have a great direction and no handle on the property and would benefit with someone who did, but the apparent scramble for a list of names, like pulling them out of a hat, just makes them come off as completely without direction in and of themselves. Hopefully the restructuring that has happened in the wake of the Marvel/Sony deal with Pascal and co. has actually addressed this in some fashion.
 
Doesn't sound like he was too happy playing the character with the circumstances he was in. I'm sure he was genuine about taking on the role as he said many times, but it doesn't seem like it was fulfilling for him completely. Then the public comments about just echoing statements of disappointment on the final cut of the film, he seemed like he was soured by the material he had.

Andrew is an actor, obviously, and imo a very good one. BUT, he's also by his own admission a huge Spidey fan. Imagine if it was you in his shoes. A big fan of Spidey and when you finally get your dream chance to play Peter and Spider-Man, you end up in the franchise that was basically so bad that it's over in 2 movies and already being rebooted. Especially after this being the reboot of the first franchise. I completely empathize with Andrew.
 
At least with their ideas for an 'creative overlord' like Raimi Koepp or whoever it seemed like they in some part realised they didn't have a great direction and no handle on the property and would benefit with someone who did, but the apparent scramble for a list of names, like pulling them out of a hat, just makes them come off as completely without direction in and of themselves. Hopefully the restructuring that has happened in the wake of the Marvel/Sony deal with Pascal and co. has actually addressed this in some fashion.

The removal of Arad and Tolmach from the creative producer team suggests to me that Feige (Marvel) has already taken care of what you mentioned.
 

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