Spectacular spider-man's pros and cons to help with the fututre of the series

[diespinne]

And lastly onto Liz Allen. I don't care if they changed her hair color but I didn't like that they changed her to be some dumb prep girl who needs bookworm Peter to tudor her. I like the Liz Allen from the old series who worked alongside Connors. Here it seems they wanted Gwen to look like Liz. And Brock looks like a total fat-ass. Same goes for Flash Thompson.

What?! You're talking about Deborah Whitman in the 'old series', NOT Liz Allen. Liz Allen was not in the old series AT ALL from what I remember. If you want to talk Liz Allen, check out the original comics. As for Gwen and Harry being bookworms, this is a depiction of them in highschool, NOT in college. In the original comics, we don't meet them until college, and in this cartoon, they are re-imagining what they would be like in highschool if they were friends with Peter back then. I'm glad they didn't go with the James Franco movie version of Harry.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

26 years old, and a pro.

 

[November Rain]

This is different than the 1990's show though. Just because that show didn't have punching, it doesn't mean this one wouldn't. Besides, it's already been confirmed he will punch.

There are show's that apparently 'punch' these days...watch the batman, almost 98% of all punches and kicks thrown in that show come from a POV view which lacks any significant impact when landed.

this is probably the route they'll go. It's still not a well felt punch, ya know, with weight around it.

alright, i'll correct myself, there won't be any hard felt punches coming out of spidey's corner.

 

[Visionary]

Nah, that's a cop-out, I want a punch that connects fully. Kids and parents won't give a damn one way or another, so why do they have to be such *****es?

 

[UltimateJustin]

Because in the 1990's apparently kids were murdering each other for days at a time wearing Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers motorcycle helmet masks and now cartoons have to be sensitive to our ******ed little developing minds.

Here is a character design comparision chart. Its scientific. Decide whether YOU think they went too far with the designs or not, compared to the 90's show.

I'm getting used to them, so the only thing I find absolutely unbelievable in terms of lazy design is the smooshed jawline and tiny moustache on JJJ and the "we hate legs, legts are so stupid, why do people have legs anyway??" mentality behind the crippled and raped Venom re-design.

Another thing to consider when comparing this show to the 90's series is that TAS also introduced characters such as Eddie Brock before they became villains, and even setup the begining of the contempt Eddie has for Spiderman in the first episode. As you know, the show had ridiculous several part episodes and often used flashbacks to recall earlier moments. Saturday we can compare the first episode of TAS which featured the Lizard to SSM's Lizard episode, and see whether all that "great character development" we've gotten (introducing Curt Connors, explaining that he is a scientist, that he studies regeneration, and showing that his capsule got eLeCtRoCuTeD) makes the experience that much more gripping.

Also for fairness, keep in mind that every episode of TAS was about some kind of stupid conveinent weapon and that it was very Madame Web friendly.

 

[November Rain]

Nah, that's a cop-out, I want a punch that connects fully. Kids and parents won't give a damn one way or another, so why do they have to be such *****es?

They still think kids wish to emulate their heroes...

the funny thing is that they never come down hard on the video game market but i guess beat em ups now have teen ratings (since they didn't do before).

It all comes down to the perceived and actual demographic of the show. the show is blatantly for young childrens but a large chunk is written for us older fans, so they write for us and have the violent toned down for them to get the best of both worlds.

It's impossible to satisfy both markets in the eyes of those in a board meeting.

 

[November Rain]

Also for fairness, keep in mind that every episode of TAS was about some kind of stupid conveinent weapon and that it was very Madame Web friendly.

HEY if you are making fun of the neogenic recombinator, I'll bite your ass

 

[Kamarov]

If DBZ (which was aimed at kids on a large scale) can have some of the most brutal violence in a cartoon show can get away with the things they did, I don't see why spider-man shouldn't be able to knock someone out with a fist full of fingers.

 

[Kamarov]

What?! You're talking about Deborah Whitman in the 'old series', NOT Liz Allen. Liz Allen was not in the old series AT ALL from what I remember. If you want to talk Liz Allen, check out the original comics. As for Gwen and Harry being bookworms, this is a depiction of them in highschool, NOT in college. In the original comics, we don't meet them until college, and in this cartoon, they are re-imagining what they would be like in highschool if they were friends with Peter back then. I'm glad they didn't go with the James Franco movie version of Harry.

Liz Allen was in the 90s show. She was MJ's friend who worked at the cofee shop. I remember seeing her in the hydroman episode and during peter and mj's wedding.

 

[Kamarov]

actually keith david isnt kingpin. Kingpin was confirmed to be off limits for variety of reasons. The character david voice is an actual villain from the comics. Check out the bio on the character from spiderfan.org: http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/big_man.html

I knew he sounded familiar. He voiced that cia agent in the mtv spider-man series and I wonder if they're going to stick with bigman being foswell as foswell at the bugle office didn't look anything like the shadowy figure of bigman.

 

[3dman27]

HEY if you are making fun of the neogenic recombinator, I'll bite your ass

sic 'im november

 

[UltimateJustin]

No way man, I had to build a neogenic recombinator for the science fair. They're cool with me.

 

[Visionary]

They still think kids wish to emulate their heroes...

the funny thing is that they never come down hard on the video game market but i guess beat em ups now have teen ratings (since they didn't do before).

It all comes down to the perceived and actual demographic of the show. the show is blatantly for young childrens but a large chunk is written for us older fans, so they write for us and have the violent toned down for them to get the best of both worlds.

It's impossible to satisfy both markets in the eyes of those in a board meeting.

What about the Power Rangers, that was a kid show, and they would kick and punch the hell out of each other in every single episode. They solved problems through violence continuously. And it was FOX's top children show in the ratings. I just don't get it. Of all the properties in the world, comic book characters should be the ones that get the pass, because it's to be expected. Damn us getting the short end of the stick.

The thing I don't get is, they can actual make the show better by adding punching and maybe a few adult moments here and there, and parents and kids (thanks to The Simpsons, South Park, The Family Guy and Adult Swim Network) wouldn't even notice it.

 

[pjspider1C]

^ The Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, however, are not in the Saturday morning line-up. Justice League was never on Saturday mornings either.

Any show that is on Saturday mornings is made knowing that children will be their #1 audience. I'm not saying there won't be any punching and kicking, but I think it will be kept to a minimum. In Survival of the Fittest, Spider-Man did throw a few punches, but he never landed any of them. Kinda like the 90's series, he'll still be using his webs & environment more than he will his fists.

 

[Visionary]

That's just my point, make it apart of the Saturday line-up, because you can't name one child who doesn't watch The Simpsons or South Park. My point being, they can get away with it easily, it'll be a walk in the park compared to those shows. It's not like kids are going to stop watching. Why don't people think that kids are smart anymore?

What kid doesn't watch Adult Swim, do you really think that that Network is for ADULTS, seriously now?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's obviously visible that the 1990's show had sort of stiffness in the characers, just by looking at those pictures because of the amount of detail. The SSM looks less detailed by defenitley fluid and fast paced and as I have said, they look great.

 

[pjspider1C]

That's just my point, make it apart of the Saturday line-up, because you can't name one child who doesn't watch The Simpsons or South Park. My point being, they can get away with it easily, it'll be a walk in the park compared to those shows. It's not like kids are going to stop watching. Why don't people think that kids are smart anymore?

What kid doesn't watch Adult Swim, do you really think that that Network is for ADULTS, seriously now?

It's probably not the kids the creators are worried about - it's probably more so the parents. There's a crap-ton of conservative, over-protective, anal parents out there who would write letters, make their kids stop watching the show, and give the network hell. Because of when the show is slotted, that's the audience they have to cater to the most. If it was on Cartoon Network, they could certainly do a lot more things that would be far more appealing to the more hard-core fans.

 

[Nathan]

Bah! Kids should learn if someone threatens to kill you, you don't jump around, you hit back.

 

[pjspider1C]

^ LOL - good point!

 

[diespinne]

Liz Allen was in the 90s show. She was MJ's friend who worked at the cofee shop. I remember seeing her in the hydroman episode and during peter and mj's wedding.

Ah! I'll have to go back and watch those. I must've been too busy laughing at Spidey getting schooled by Hydroman to notice Liz.

But I'm pretty sure the original poster was complaining about Gwen resembling Debra Whitman-- not Liz.

 

[pjspider1C]

Yeah, I don't like the fact that Gwen looks like Debra Whitman. If I didn't know any better, that's who I would guess she was just by looking at the character.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I'm eagerly awaiting for this to happen soon on this series.

 

[November Rain]

It's obviously visible that the 1990's show had sort of stiffness in the characers, just by looking at those pictures because of the amount of detail. The SSM looks less detailed by defenitley fluid and fast paced and as I have said, they look great.

When willing to spend cash, 90s animation was some of the most fluid i've seen in animation.

watch armed and dangerous and turning point for clear examples.

I do understand that sort of fluidity can't be kept up for long at that standard if you want to beat out eps.

saying that, evo, never had a problem and that wasn't overly simplified and jlu pretty much nailed it by the time they finished. grudge match is the slickest westernised fight i've ever seen animated.

 

[November Rain]

What about the Power Rangers, that was a kid show, and they would kick and punch the hell out of each other in every single episode. They solved problems through violence continuously. And it was FOX's top children show in the ratings. I just don't get it. Of all the properties in the world, comic book characters should be the ones that get the pass, because it's to be expected. Damn us getting the short end of the stick.

The thing I don't get is, they can actual make the show better by adding punching and maybe a few adult moments here and there, and parents and kids (thanks to The Simpsons, South Park, The Family Guy and Adult Swim Network) wouldn't even notice it.

power rangers fought monsters and not humans or human based evils...fighting monsters always makes things easier.

 

[Visionary]

It's probably not the kids the creators are worried about - it's probably more so the parents. There's a crap-ton of conservative, over-protective, anal parents out there who would write letters, make their kids stop watching the show, and give the network hell. Because of when the show is slotted, that's the audience they have to cater to the most. If it was on Cartoon Network, they could certainly do a lot more things that would be far more appealing to the more hard-core fans.

Again, with all of the stuff that kids watch today, parents would have to write a billion letters a day, because it's on every channel (Regular and Cable). There's no way they'll single out just Spider-Man, with all of the sex and violence in other cartoons, videos, video games and TV shows--they won't even bother.

Parents hated The Simpson and they protested the hell out of it, but when FOX and the creators said f--- you, if you don't like it, don't watch it, they all went away and shut the hell up. Do I even have to tell you about the success of the Simpsons after that? Kids made The Simpsons a mega hit and their multi-billion dollar merchandising.