Spider-man 3.1 finally?!

[spiderman2]

Spider-Man Origins set up for preorder on Amazon France. 3 discs, no 3.1. Not looking good.

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B06XVZ5RWC...TF8&qid=1494115134&sr=1-2&keywords=spider-man

Boo

 

[Spider-Ock]

Even those we never got to see quite a bit though. None of the MJ scenes were included and neither were the alternate Gwen deaths and Spidey/Goblin fight.

I'll probably still buy these since I never upgraded from DVD to Blu-Ray but I'll be very disappointed with no 3.1.

The evolution collection for ASM could include the alternate Gwen scene. They have a bonus disc containing 4 deleted scenes with commentary (based on amazon.it). Since the ASM2 disc already has the 13 original deleted scenes in it, maybe 1 of the 4 on the bonus disc could be the alternate scene [still, kinda hopeful]

 

[henzINNIT]

The lack of official announcement from Sony is the biggest worry. They did a big official announcement for Spider-Man 2.1 long before they released it.

I think it's reasonable to expect 3.1 to be far more low-key in these circumstances. 2.1 was exploiting a well received film and promoting the upcoming sequel in a time where DVDs were booming. 3.1 doesn't really do anything to promote Homecoming, and would probably be seen by most as a decade out-of-date attempt to fix a famously maligned sequel, all for the sake of selling another box set.

I wouldn't expect much fanfare for this, though obviously utter silence with just over a month til release is not a good sign.

I'm impressed Sony can still disappoint so thoroughly tbh.

 

[Daltonio]

The evolution collection for ASM could include the alternate Gwen scene. They have a bonus disc containing 4 deleted scenes with commentary (based on amazon.it). Since the ASM2 disc already has the 13 original deleted scenes in it, maybe 1 of the 4 on the bonus disc could be the alternate scene [still, kinda hopeful]

Ah man that would be amazing, I'd be even more excited about that than for Spider-Man 3.1.

Sadly I have doubts that we'll see either one but I'll keep my hopes up.

 

[Spider-Ock]

Ah man that would be amazing, I'd be even more excited about that than for Spider-Man 3.1.

Sadly I have doubts that we'll see either one but I'll keep my hopes up.

I mean, why would they re-release the blurays with absolutely no new features? Doesn't make any sense especially if you want to boost sales.

Also I definitely agree with the bolded part. I really want to see how that scene turned out as well. At this point, we are the only two ASM fans posting around these parts.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I think it's reasonable to expect 3.1 to be far more low-key in these circumstances. 2.1 was exploiting a well received film and promoting the upcoming sequel in a time where DVDs were booming. 3.1 doesn't really do anything to promote Homecoming, and would probably be seen by most as a decade out-of-date attempt to fix a famously maligned sequel, all for the sake of selling another box set.

To be fair, I don't think Spectacular was released as a complete set to promote TASM2 (despite it having an advertisement on the box to get a free movie ticket).

Either way, 3.1 is looking slim.

At this point, we are the only two ASM fans posting around these parts.

 

[Krystal]

Really good chance that Sony will put out their press release Monday (May 8)

Their pattern of announcement vs the release date (in this case June 13) shows that the closest to the release has gotten in the last couple years is
36 days. Monday is 36 days till June 13. Also majority of their press releases are early week -- Monday-Tuesday.

So I'd bet money by Tuesday afternoon we'll have the detailed press release on what this set contains. I'm referring to the so called "Spider-Man Origins" (SM 1-3) that is being released under a couple different names depending on the country.

Amazon link. Details are placeholders from older versions.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XZ588HB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That art was finally added to the Amazon pre-order yesterday. Seriously -- they'd make zero mention on the cover of 3.1?

 

[henzINNIT]

Amazon link. Details are placeholders from older versions.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XZ588HB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Running time listed at 660 minutes. That is 137 minutes longer than the previous boxset. Rather shocking coincidence.

This rumour has made me go full-Sherlock.

 

[PeterBenParker]

There's no Spider-Man 2.1 on the cover either so I'm just being anxiously patient.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Thing is, ultimately, even if we don't get it here for some reason, the Sony.jp product description including it proves it's coming out there if nowhere else. From there, it would be a matter of time before it made it's way over here in some form.

But until we get the specs for the US versions, we won't know if we're getting it or not. But yes, that 660 minute runtime prettymuch confirms it anyway. Unless for some reason they were counting the bonus features in the runtime (which they don't), and also if they were, it would be wayyyy longer than 137 minutes.

 

[Krystal]

Running time listed at 660 minutes. That is 137 minutes longer than the previous boxset. Rather shocking coincidence.

This rumour has made me go full-Sherlock.

Yeah!!! I posted that very coincidental 660 minutes in a post here back on May 2, but it didn't gain any traction. Very suspicious that is exactly 137 longer than the other 4 cuts combined number. If it does turn out to be thrown on disc four as a bonus with no hype --their publicity department really dropped the ball. But I'll take it any way it comes gladly!!

 

[henzINNIT]

There's no Spider-Man 2.1 on the cover either so I'm just being anxiously patient.

I'm being spectacularly impatient at this point. Sony have me by the balls.

Thing is, ultimately, even if we don't get it here for some reason, the Sony.jp product description including it proves it's coming out there if nowhere else. From there, it would be a matter of time before it made it's way over here in some form.

But until we get the specs for the US versions, we won't know if we're getting it or not. But yes, that 660 minute runtime prettymuch confirms it anyway. Unless for some reason they were counting the bonus features in the runtime (which they don't), and also if they were, it would be wayyyy longer than 137 minutes.

I think the general concern is that the website's listing is wrong, and subject to change until we hear a concrete announcement. The doom and gloom extends to Japan too.

 

[henzINNIT]

Yeah!!! I posted that very coincidental 660 minutes in a post here back on May 2, but it didn't gain any traction. Very suspicious that is exactly 137 longer than the other 4 cuts combined number. If it does turn out to be thrown on disc four as a bonus with no hype --their publicity department really dropped the ball. But I'll take it any way it comes gladly!!

I was gonna quote you but I couldn't find the post. I'll take 3.1 on a bootleg vhs at this point.

 

[Nardz937]

What bothers me the most is there is nothing in 2.1 that improves the movie. I'm glad everything that got cut did get cut from 2.

Spider-Man 3 however can be considerably improved with a new cut/added scenes. Yet they won't release a version of that.

*Sigh*

 

[PeterBenParker]

That Spider-Man 3.1, if true, could be a whole new movie if the run time speculation is true.

 

[Krystal]

The run time being listed on the June 13 release is the ONLY indication it will be included.
So, let's say it is accurate. The rough cut shown to critics was 15 minutes longer. If they add those exact 15 minutes back in they have to cut 17 other minutes to reach 137.
Never gonna happen.
Logic says they will add in some portion of those 15 minutes and then remove that many minutes plus two more. Say add back in 5 minutes and cut out 7 from the current existing version. I simply don't see how they can cut out much more than that and not start removing "good" stuff that most fans actually don't want cut.
I'm not talking about fans that really hate the movie, of course. Just ones that have some problems with it.

 

[Krystal]

I was gonna quote you but I couldn't find the post. I'll take 3.1 on a bootleg vhs at this point.

Pretty soon I'll be at the point where I'd just settle for deleted scenes.
And thanks for reposting about the 660 minutes listed! That was what got my hopes up early in the week. Since then the lack of announcement brought me back down.
So I re-watched SM3 and looked for exactly what I'd cut if I was handed the keys to the editing room. LOL

Two types of cuts to be made....

Type "A" -- stuff that I don't like and cutting would not leave narrative gaps in the story if cut out.

1. Brock meets Cap. Stacey. :14 seconds. Some of that intro I think is awful. Cutting out a few lines would make it better.
2. JJJ vibrating desk scene. 1;19 seconds. Adds zero to the story and is stupid.
3. Peter mimicking marching. :02 seconds. I hate his insipid pretend march and it only lasts 2 seconds!
4. Peter dancing on street. :53 seconds. I'd chop off the "emo Peter" stuff right after he demands the staff job. I would leave enough of him acting jerky but no going way overboard with the "funny" dancing.
5. Harry's butler reveal. 1:10 seconds. It has zero need to be there. Much better that Harry forgives Peter and also wants to save MJ. He can change his mind with just Peter's plea (and MJ's plea if that is added back in.)
6. "hope is lost" reporter. :07 seconds
7. "hard to look at" reporter :15 seconds. I absolutely hated the naration by the British accented reporter. Why the F did they think that was needed?
8. JJJ and the camera kid. :30 seconds. JJ had little to do in the movie but sorry, it was a terrible scene.

Okay the current Blu-ray run time is 139 minutes and 11 seconds. the above cuts add up to 4:30. That brings me down to 134 minutes and 41 seconds.

Type "B" cuts.......stuff that I'd cut if they had better replacement material.

1. Venom/Sandman meeting :44 seconds. There is the famous original scene where Brock meets and coerces Sandman to help him. They should add that back in if they have or want to pay for the FX to be completed.
2. MJ kidnapped outside her apt. :10 seconds. Originally MJ was kidnapped outside Harry"s building after she begs him to forgive Peter. After that scene was cut they had her being kidnapped by Brock outside her own apt. If they were going to add back that version they would cut this small exterior shot of her hailing the cab.

That's another :54 seconds.
That would bring the run time down to 133:41

That means thy could add in 3 minutes 19 seconds +/- to bring it to 137 munites. For all we know the actual run time of the 3.1 could be 137 minutes 45 seconds -- meaning they could add in 4 minutes.

that sounds minimal to be added back but if you start cutting more than that -- you cut into stuff I actually like. And four minutes is not as short as it seems. If you time scenes -- many last only a minute. That annoying JJJ desk scene is 1 minute 19 seconds but seems longer 'cause it's bad! LOL

Scene I'd like seeing back in.
1. Sandman threatening his daughter's doctor
2. Sandman meeting brock at the park
3. MJ begging Harry to forgive
4. Sandman's daughter pleading for him to stop.

I know there is a lot of other stuff that was cut, but action parts would cost a lot to finish the FX and the movie has tons of action as it is.
Brock going to Gwen's house isn't needed. He had reason enough to hate Peter (in his mind) and doesn't need to be shot down by Gwen onscreen.
A lot of the other 15 minutes may just be trims of existing scenes and not actual "missing scenes" -- pieces of dialogue, alternate longer takes, etc.

That's the best that I can hope for -- cutting the most egregious weak parts and adding back in the most vital cut items. a 154 minutes cut is something I'd love to see, but I scarcely believe it would be the best version of the movie.

How about the scenes you guys would like to see back in and cut out?
It will kill time till the axe comes down or we hit the lottery and 3.1 turns out to be true.

 

[spiderman2]

I mean, why would they re-release the blurays with absolutely no new features? Doesn't make any sense especially if you want to boost sales.

Also I definitely agree with the bolded part. I really want to see how that scene turned out as well. At this point, we are the only two ASM fans posting around these parts.

High lol. I would agree that it really dosnt make sinces to rerelease something with out new features but it does happen.

What bothers me the most is there is nothing in 2.1 that improves the movie. I'm glad everything that got cut did get cut from 2.

Spider-Man 3 however can be considerably improved with a new cut/added scenes. Yet they won't release a version of that.

*Sigh*

Yeah I hear you but I guess that is because Spider-Man 2 is considerd a much better movie then Spider-Man 3 and because Spider-Man 2.1 was also to hype up Spider-Man 3 even more where Spider-Man 3 was it no Spider-Man 4 to hype up with it. Maybe if we got Spider-Man 4 we would already have had a Spider-Man 3.1. With that said I wish ever movie that comes out had at least delectied stuff because while I agree the delectied stuff didn't really make Spider-Man 2 any better its just nice to see what was cut from the movie and I always wonder what was cut from movies has like ever movie has some cut stuff.

 

[Spider-Ock]

High lol. I would agree that it really dosnt make sinces to rerelease something with out new features but it does happen.

Glad to see you guys are still around!!

 

[A Necessary Evil]

What bothers me the most is there is nothing in 2.1 that improves the movie. I'm glad everything that got cut did get cut from 2.

*Sigh*

Not true. The extended scene with Peter and Harry was great, and the added development for MJ was excellent as well.

 

[spiderman2]

Glad to see you guys are still around!!

Spider-Man 2 is my favorite Spider-Man movie hinces my username but amazing Spider-Man 2 is easily my 2nd favorite Spider-Man movie and the only big flaw I think it has is not enough talk about Uncle ben. The other so called flaws are small or not flaws. Amazing Spider-Man 2 has great action, a Spider-Man that acts that Spider-Man for basicly the first time, best soundtrack in a Spider-Man movie by far, Garfield who if the movies where consider much better I am convinced would be considered the RDJ of Spider-Man, a great love story.

 

[spiderman2]

Not true. The extended scene with Peter and Harry was great, and the added development for MJ was excellent as well.

I would say those where the 2 good ones in Spider-Man 2.1.

 

[spiderman2]

I am really hoping this 3.1 thing is true. I have been dying for 3.1 because while greatly flawed I still enjoy Spider-Man 3 and with all the talk about how much Spider-Man 3 was cut I want to see it for 2 reason.

1. I just want to know what was cut because it sounds like more was cut then either Spider-Man 1 and 2 had and I always like to know what was cut good or bad.

2. Because so much was cut I want to know if the cut stuff would have truly made the movie better or not even if it would have just made it slightly better and not way better it would still be nice to have a improve version of the movie.

I would also like to get special version of amazing Spider-Man and amazing Spider-Man 2 because it sounds like so much was cut that you could have made like 2 more movies with all that was cut from those 2 lol and it sounds like both would have been greatly greatly improved if not for being cut to death. But getting new versions of Spider-Man 3 amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 may be asking for way way to much. How ever if Spider-Man 3.1 is a real thing and we can get it and all 5 Spider-Man movies in 4k bluray I may have to get all 5 around black Friday when it cost less.

 

[Krystal]

If you want to know what was cut from SM3 there are lists you can find online. But the only ones that struck me as needing be cut back in are the few I mentioned above.
Most of the rest seems just the usual stuff you'd trim to get a movie down to a manageable run time.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Spider-Man Origins set up for preorder on Amazon France. 3 discs, no 3.1. Not looking good.

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B06XVZ5RWC...TF8&qid=1494115134&sr=1-2&keywords=spider-man

Perhaps they are still listing the old specs to the older box set that came out a few years ago.

Amazon Canada have it up for pre-order and are still listing old specs instead of any new specs for the movies. https://www.amazon.ca/Spider-Man-Or...TF8&qid=1494221132&sr=1-1&keywords=Spider-Man