Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Schlosser85]

DC and Sony's attempts at building a cinematic universe both seem haphazard, rushed, and desperate compared to Marvel.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Stan Lee's Daughter on Disney and Marvel

When my father died, no one from Marvel or Disney reached out to me. From day one, they have commoditized my father’s work and never shown him or his legacy any respect or decency. In the end, no one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney’s executives."

Stan Lee's Daughter Sides with Sony Over Disney in 'Spider-Man' Split

 

[antsman41]

Stan Lee's Daughter on Disney and Marvel

Isn’t this the same daughter who was neglecting/abusing him... all the while stealing from him?

 

[Kane52630]

Yep.

 

[Schlosser85]

"No one could have treated my father worse. Except me."

 

[samsnee]

Stan Lee's Daughter on Disney and Marvel

Notice how the first line is about how Disney/Marvel didn't reach out to her. She sounds selfish and has a chip on her shoulder.

 

[samsnee]

Piecing together the reports from THR, Deadline, and other news outlets this is the timeline of what likely happened:

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Disney’s and Sony’s original deal had concluded after “Far From Home” where Disney was compensated 5% of every first dollar and Kevin Feige oversaw both of Sony’s Spider-man films but did not get any producer fee from Sony.


When it was time to renegotiate a new deal, Sony asked Feige to bring their Sony properties, specifically Venom, into the MCU and him to oversee their future Spider-centric projects. Fiege who had been noticeably hesitant in interviews last year to include Venom in the MCU, began opening up to the idea. But having more movies added to his already full plate, Feige understandably is not going to want to spend a lot of his time working for Sony, not only in their next Spider-man films but now also for Venom and all their other upcoming films for the same “pro bono” rate he did for the last two Spidey films.


Disney steps in and tells Sony if they want Feige, a Disney employee, to go to another studio and oversee all their upcoming Spider films including integrating them all into the MCU, they would like to see a 50/50 split on financing and revenue.


Sony who had been paying Disney only 5% balked at that request, possibly hoping Feige could do the extra work for the same rate from the previous deal they had in place.


Negotiations between the two inevitably went as far down as Disney not wanting to go any lower than 30% and Sony still refusing. Deal breaks down.


Sony then issued a statement that Spider-man can no longer be part of the MCU because Feige is too busy working on Disney’s new IPs.

This sounds about right. Sony wanted Feige to help them for basically free like he had been doing. Now Rothman thinks they've "learned" enough from Feige that they don't need him anymore.

 

[samsnee]

Venom is a bad 90's superhero film.

Terrible acting, very little source material, cheesy CGI, and a Swiss-Cheese plot.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man doesn't deserve to be tied to that nonsense.

Quoted for truth.

Venom: We are here to destroy your world

5 minutes later

Venom: I changed my mind, you're cool now.

 

[shinlyle]

Isn’t this the same daughter who was neglecting/abusing him... all the while stealing from him?

Hasn't every director star of every movie talked about how they treated Stan like royalty every time he was on set for a cameo? I seem to recall several of those stories...Whereas I haven't heard thing one about his daughter in years...except she wasn't there for her parents' final years (remember, Stan's wife passed about a year before he did).

I'm sure there's a lot to it, either way, but they did tribute after tribute to Stan, and Marvel even ran a black banner on their covers with an insert of Stan's Soapbox for a few months.

"Did nothing".

Right.

 

[DyeLorean]

Feige seem to genuinely care. Sony has proven they don't know HOW to care. They think the fans want big spectacle, and that's not WRONG, but they tend to handle things like DC did with their movie universe. Start it with one movie, then dive headlong into it for the next movie, and the third movie we can just put all the characters in there and the fans will eat it up. So many studios don't get that Marvel worked very slowly to get where they are. I mean, it was 4 years and 5 movies before they got to the first Avengers film. By the time people realized it was working, they had an empire rolling down the street. Remember when everyone used to claim that Avengers was going to be kindergarten compared to Dark Knight Rises? It OWNED the box office, and then DC started a whole new movie continuity from Man of Steel (chuckle), and it flopped hard. The Universal Monster-verse...the Godzilla Monsterverse, even...they all seem to be missing that crucial ingredient:

Kevin Feige.

It reminds me a little bit about Lost. That show also started very slowly, building the characters first. It didn't get ambitious and complex right away, it took a few seasons. Then when the show ended, there were all these copycat shows trying to do the same thing, and it was bonkers from the get go, without any sort of interesting character or story where 'bonkers' could work.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Mark my words they will eventually ruin the spider verse thing too it always starts well with them lol

 

[MovieSlave]

Stan Lee's Daughter on Disney and Marvel

She is absolutely full of *** on so many levels. They totally respected Stan Lee and gave him due credit. She's backing the wrong horse.

As someone else posted, Sony thinks they learned enough from Kevin Feige to do better. Hahaha, I don't want Sony to go under like some do because so many undeserving people would lose their jobs but I do WANT their future Spidey (and spin-off) films to either bomb or not make a profit. I truly don't believe they will keep the quality going. Only reason I feel the very first two films they made were good was due to Sam Raimi. Once Avi Arad forced Venom on Raimi that movie became a bloated mess. I think we would have had a solid trilogy there if Raimi was left alone.

Sony gonna' Sony. Oh but things are going to be alright because we'll finally see a live action version of Carnage. *epic eye roll*.

 

[Schlosser85]

She is absolutely full of *** on so many levels. They totally respected Stan Lee and gave him due credit. She's backing the wrong horse.

As someone else posted, Sony thinks they learned enough from Kevin Feige to do better. Hahaha, I don't want Sony to go under like some do because so many undeserving people would lose their jobs but I do WANT their future Spidey (and spin-off) films to either bomb or not make a profit. I truly don't believe they will keep the quality going. Only reason I feel the very first two films they made were good was due to Sam Raimi. Once Avi Arad forced Venom on Raimi that movie became a bloated mess. I think we would have had a solid trilogy there if Raimi was left alone.

Sony gonna' Sony. Oh but things are going to be alright because we'll finally see a live action version of Carnage. *epic eye roll*.

She has no room to talk about people treating her father badly anyway.

 

[MovieSlave]

She has no room to talk about people treating her father badly anyway.

I agree. As someone else mentioned, wasn't she the one trying to sc*** him over the past few years with a scumbag lawyer?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

That comment from his daughter made me feel super grosgross.

 

[Schlosser85]

That comment from his daughter made me feel super grosgross.

I think it's just the "lol, who the **** are you to be talking about people mistreating your father" chutzpah of it.

 

[Jordanstine]

I'd love Disney to just buy Sony Pictures and be done with it. Get Spidey back home where he belongs and give the MCU every single one of their characters.

Latest Forbes article says that Sony Pictures will eventually be bought out in a few years and that Spider-man reverts back to Marvel with Sony not getting a dime back.

How The Marvel-Sony 'Spider-Man' Dispute Will Be Solved One Way Or Another [Updated]

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Stan Lee's Daughter on Disney and Marvel

Well, I mean if anyone is an expert on neglecting and abusing Stan...it's his daughter.

 

[shinlyle]

Latest Forbes article says that Sony Pictures will eventually be bought out in a few years and that Spider-man reverts back to Marvel with Sony not getting a dime back.

How The Marvel-Sony 'Spider-Man' Dispute Will Be Solved One Way Or Another [Updated]

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So...the real question is, would Sony like to keep raking in money while they wait for a buyout, or would they like to sell the rights to Disney outright, or would they prefer to screw the pooch and let Disney get it ALL for free?

Either way, looks like Sony *SHOCK* hasn't thought this out very well.

 

[Schlosser85]

If Sony ends up giving the rights back, years from now after this fails, after screwing over Tom Holland and running his Spidey into the ground.....what a waste that would be.

 

[Flint Marko]

Guess we’d just cut to Holland teaching 8th grade science married to Zendaya.

 

[Schlosser85]

He’d probably be long gone by the time Marvel got Spidey back

 

[Shikamaru]

I don't think Sony can technically run MCU Spider-Man into the ground. Disney is clearly banking on drawing enough attention to the split that in case Sony's next films flop and Spidey goes back to Marvel, no one will associate the bad films with Holland or the MCU in any way.

Sony is more likely to run MCU Spider-Man into the ground if they make a really good film and then several bad ones. Which both Disney and the fans seem to agree is unlikely.

 

[Mysteryman]

What's unlikely, that Sony will make a good film?

 

[Shikamaru]

Correct (live-action).