Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[ironwez20]

Omg I just don’t care. Whatever happens happens

 

[Schlosser85]

Grace Randolph’s word counts for nothing.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Of course negotiation are on going, this will either work in Sony's favor or blow up in their face.

 

[Frodo]

The best thing for Spiderman on film now would be for Disney and Sony to hammer out a new deal.

Regardless of how I feel about Grace Randolph , I hope she's right. I want this version of the character preserved.

Frankly , any fanboy who's been complaining these past two weeks about the fallout should want her to be right and hope she is right.

 

[Schlosser85]

I do want her to be right, I just have sub zero faith in her credibility.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

No love for Grace? I like her channel and dont see a reason to distrust her

 

[Webfoot Hero]

No love for Grace? I like her channel and dont see a reason to distrust her

It's because she's claimed to have insider sources before and it turned out none of her information was close to being correct. She also has some absolutely horrible takes on films and industry news that makes her look like a complete dunce. Plus, her voice can be a bit grating and she gives away spoilers in videos that are supposed to be non-spoilers.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I really hope that this is true and Sony and Disney can work something out.

As much as I dislike the MCU iteration of Spider-Man, Sony taking him back right now would be absolutely devastating for the character, film wise. I do believe Sony will at some point make films on their own again but now is not the time.

 

[Frodo]

No love for Grace? I like her channel and dont see a reason to distrust her

I don't have an issue with her personally ,but there are quite a few posters here who don't like her ,and she is a polarizing figure in geekdom in general.

I really don't get hung up on liking or disliking geek pundits like alot of fans tend to do. As a fanboy , I basically only care about info and news and I could care less about the personality delivering the news , unless they're know to make stuff up or bs.

I tend to think some or more reliable then others, in terms of inside info and "sources". I wouldn't put her in the scoop breaker category myself, but in this case, I hope she's right.

 

[Everett Ross]

Sony Pictures Chief on Spider-Man Split: ‘For the Moment the Door is Closed’

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Sony Pictures Chief on Spider-Man Split: ‘For the Moment the Door is Closed’

Looks like I won't be seeing their films then, especially if they force in Venom, Morbius, and/or any attempt to force multiple villains into a film for no reason other than for spectacle.

 

[Schlosser85]

Oh you bet they’re eager to shove Holland in with their own crappy basement level characters like Hardy’s Venom and Leto’s Morbius so they can try to ride Holland’s coattails.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Oh you bet they’re eager to shove Holland in with their own crappy basement level characters like Hardy’s Venom and Leto’s Morbius so they can try to ride Holland’s coattails.

You know if Arad is involved, he'll do it. He did it with SM3 so history will likely repeat. Venom is a vastly overrated character.

 

[samsnee]

”Spider-man was fine before the event movies”

If he was fine, then you wouldn’t have made a deal with Marvel in the first place.

Look, Spider-man will always have name recognition. But before the Marvel deal, he was getting stale and creatively bankrupt. Why? Because he shouldn’t be the only superhero in the world.

Sure, now Sony is building their own little superhero world. But are you really telling me audiences want to see him interact with Morbius? You’ll make your bank with your Venom team-up and then what after that? You’ve got nothing else.

Sony had a chance to have Spider-man in a Fantastic Four movie, an X-men movie. And then those heroes show up in a Spider-man movie. But nope, they continue to show they are the majority shareholder for stupidity.

 

[m2k]

Let's see how they force feed Tom Holland in that Morbius movie. Gotta be interesting for the director. Initially thinking u got a antagonist vampire story who becomes a reformed protagonist by the end of it. And now Rothman instructs u to plug the ultimate protagonist in Tom's Spider-Man just so everybody can realize it's MCU-lite. Meanwhile, this Spidey is just as clueless as to how his own semi-rebooted story will unfold before he gets his own movie, but yet he finds himself in the midst of a vampire story. Interesting to say the least.

 

[fan4stic]

If he was fine, then you wouldn’t have made a deal with Marvel in the first place.

Look, Spider-man will always have name recognition. But before the Marvel deal, he was getting stale and creatively bankrupt. Why? Because he shouldn’t be the only superhero in the world.

Sure, now Sony is building their own little superhero world. But are you really telling me audiences want to see him interact with Morbius? You’ll make your bank with your Venom team-up and then what after that? You’ve got nothing else.

Sony had a chance to have Spider-man in a Fantastic Four movie, an X-men movie. And then those heroes show up in a Spider-man movie. But nope, they continue to show they are the majority shareholder for stupidity.

I don't want to see Spider-Man be overshadowed in his movies, so I'm not too hurting over them not being in his movies.

 

[Frodo]

If he was fine, then you wouldn’t have made a deal with Marvel in the first place.

Look, Spider-man will always have name recognition. But before the Marvel deal, he was getting stale and creatively bankrupt. Why? Because he shouldn’t be the only superhero in the world.

Sure, now Sony is building their own little superhero world. But are you really telling me audiences want to see him interact with Morbius? You’ll make your bank with your Venom team-up and then what after that? You’ve got nothing else.

Sony had a chance to have Spider-man in a Fantastic Four movie, an X-men movie. And then those heroes show up in a Spider-man movie. But nope, they continue to show they are the majority shareholder for stupidity.

Well, to be fair , the franchise was fine... until basically SM3, and that was during the Bush administration . While I haven't been on the Sony is evil and Disney is good bandwagon as alot of fanboys have been, I gotta admit, this statement really wasn't a good look on Sony's part.

I don't want the next film to suck ,because you know Sony will reboot if it isn't well received and falls short. That said, that statement doesn't instill all that much confidence their universe.

Maybe after the next film Holland will peace out and call it a day. Then he will have done 6 films and move on and let another young actor go through the Sony Spiderman shuffle.

 

[Jordanstine]

What most don’t see is that this Disney & Sony negotiation isn’t JUST for Spider-man.

Its much BIGGER: It’s for all Sony’s Spider-verse to be considered part of the MCU.

That’s what Sony wants.

Can’t expect Feige to do all that work for the same rate without a producer’s fee.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

What most don’t see is that this Disney & Sony negotiation isn’t JUST for Spider-man.

Its much BIGGER: It’s for all Sony’s Spider-verse to be considered part of the MCU.

That’s what Sony wants.

Can’t expect Feige to do all that work for the same rate without a producer’s fee.

Sony is trying to cheapskate their way to success by outsourcing it and then claiming all the credit and box office spoils. Sounds and feels exactly what you'd expect a struggling film studio run by incompetent executives to try and do.

 

[Schlosser85]

What most don’t see is that this Disney & Sony negotiation isn’t JUST for Spider-man.

Its much BIGGER: It’s for all Sony’s Spider-verse to be considered part of the MCU.

That’s what Sony wants.

Can’t expect Feige to do all that work for the same rate without a producer’s fee.

That and characters like Hardy’s Venom fail the MCU quality control.

 

[shinlyle]

You know if Arad is involved, he'll do it. He did it with SM3 so history will likely repeat. Venom is a vastly overrated character.

Venom is a cool character. The problem is that he isn't given the attention and development to make him 3 dimensional. We need Eddie as a MINOR background character first, then the symbiote for a film WITHOUT Venom, and then a Venom film where Eddie's twisted code of conduct forces him into an inevitable stalemate where he realizes Spider-Man is good...despite his hatred of him. Then he can get relocated for his own film. Pretty simple...

...However, Sony likes say, "VeNOm iZZ kewL!! LetZ sKip to dA ENd, KiLLa!"
(Yes, that's how I imagine Avi Arad texts)

So much so that they skipped ALL OF THAT, including Spider-Man (who is vital to Venom's origin), and just make him an anti-hero out of the gate. I LIKED the movie, but only for what it was. It was "guilty pleasure fun" at best, and Tom Hardy was all that pulled it into the realm of likability.

Sony will dust off their Amazing Spider-Man 3 storyboards, slap a new coat of Tom Holland paint on it, and we'll have Tom fighting a Sinister 6 within 5 years, whether it makes sense or not.

 

[Frodo]

What most don’t see is that this Disney & Sony negotiation isn’t JUST for Spider-man.

Its much BIGGER: It’s for all Sony’s Spider-verse to be considered part of the MCU.

That’s what Sony wants.

Can’t expect Feige to do all that work for the same rate without a producer’s fee.

Well its even more than a producer's fee. The producer's fee is nothing compared to the bigger picture. Disney basically wants a controlling interest in Spiderman , which is the part of it that fans don't get. Spiderman is basically all Sony has, and any studio in Sony's position would walk away from Disney wanting basically 50% controlling interest of a character they don't own.

At that the same time , Disney wants Feige to focus on the characters that they spent a fortune acquiring from Fox much more than Spiderman for which they get a smaller percentage from the films.

Then you factor in Sony thinking they can do it on their own with an Oscar winning film and a popular with the GA Venon film, in addition to a billion dollar film .

From both studios narrow interests and shareholders , neither side really has an incentive to work something out at this point given the current deal on the table.

 

[Frodo]

Sony will dust off their Amazing Spider-Man 3 storyboards, slap a new coat of Tom Holland paint on it, and we'll have Tom fighting a Sinister 6 within 5 years, whether it makes sense or not.

I suspect Holland won't be around long enough to make it to a Sinister 6 film and that he'll say goodbye after Spiderman 3. My guess is that it will end up being a different Peter Parker and different actor that faces the Sinister 6.

 

[JKKS085]

Literally every official statement from Sony reeks of frustration towards Marvel and fear for the future mixed with unearned confidence.
Their venture into spin-offs could be stopped dead in its tracks if Morbius flops and the Venom sequel goes down the well traveled road of Sony franchises facing diminishing returns but they nonetheless brazenly want to forge ahead with 6 TV shows spun-off a franchise that is no longer on secure footing.

That’s not a strategy, or a vision for the character, it’s the untethered greed and stupidity that made them run the IP into the ground a few years ago.

 

[ironwez20]

Literally every official statement from Sony reeks of frustration towards Marvel and fear for the future mixed with unearned confidence.
Their venture into spin-offs could be stopped dead in its tracks if Morbius flops and the Venom sequel goes down the well traveled road of Sony franchises facing diminishing returns but they nonetheless brazenly want to forge ahead with 6 TV shows spun-off a franchise that is no longer on secure footing.

That’s not a strategy, or a vision for the character, it’s the untethered greed and stupidity that made them run the IP into the ground a few years ago.

This. All of this