Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Yellow Cyclone]

Sony's PR is trying to get out ahead of this but I think they've lost the PR war a bit. Also the part about Feige being too busy seems a bit unnecessary. Not hopeful that things will get worked out in the future since I really enjoyed Holland's Spidey in the MCU.

the feige too busy thing was complete classless and petty 100% yes. reeks of rothman
as for the PR war, they already lost.



the MCU is a cultural phenom. it's widely popular and holland is almost universally loved for his portrayal. it's spider-man. with stark dead, he was going to take a more central role going forward as well, people were looking forward to marvel's crown jewel being back again. long-term sony is making a mistake. if watts isn't a lock for the next one either, then i don't see why holland stays unless they back up a dump truck to his driveway, because they're going to have to now

 

[Pennywise]

They should have just went 50/50 instead of being selfish.

It's going to be interesting how the next movie will have to ignore the MCU.

 

[Schlosser85]

the feige too busy thing was complete classless and petty 100% yes. reeks of rothman
as for the PR war, they already lost.

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the MCU is a cultural phenom. it's widely popular and holland is almost universally loved for his portrayal. it's spider-man. with stark dead, he was going to take a more central role going forward as well, people were looking forward to marvel's crown jewel being back again. long-term sony is making a mistake. if watts isn't a lock for the next one either, then i don't see why holland stays unless they back up a dump truck to his driveway, because they're going to have to now

Isn’t Holland contractually obligated whether he likes this situation or not?

 

[The Chris]

Feige too busy, for Spider-Man? Yeah ok.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

On the bright side, at least now we'll finally get standalone Spider-Man films instead of Iron Man Jr. and the special guest of the week

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

Isn’t Holland contractually obligated whether he likes this situation or not?

we don't know the details of it. it's probably not an affleck/batman thing, b/c holland isn't at affleck's level but all we know is that it was 3 team movies and 3 solos, but sony's release doesn't even mention holland, so big grains of salt i guess

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

On the bright side, at least now we'll finally get standalone Spider-Man films instead of Iron Man Jr. and the special guest of the week

this is always such a low terrible take

 

[Nardz937]

Some of the twitter trends have been funny.

Isn’t Holland contractually obligated whether he likes this situation or not?

Reportedly he’s signed for two more.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I think the potential of losing Feige and Watts may be a bigger blow than Sony is likely thinking it'll be. Those two have helped shape Spidey's time in the MCU and losing them potentially changes how well-received the next film is. You also have to think that Holland may not like the situation and his satisfaction with the role may erode if the the quality does as well.

 

[The Infernal]

On the bright side, at least now we'll finally get standalone Spider-Man films instead of Iron Man Jr. and the special guest of the week

I wouldn't kid myself. Look at the Spidey spin-offs they already have planned and are in development. Then look up the Sony hacks for a glimpse of the horror show to come. Any Sony Spider-man film will be laden with nonsense building up obscure z-list characters and a Sinister Six film where they're the heroes.

 

[Fallen]

Sony trying to blame Kevin Feige/Disney....

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

sony has been obsessed with a s6 since arad finally got his venom in SM3 lol

in the email hacks they thought it'd make 2 billion lmao

 

[Fallen]

Sony doing damage control on Twitter .

 

[Fallen]

 

[Jordanstine]

I wouldn't kid myself. Look at the Spidey spin-offs they already have planned and are in development. Then look up the Sony hacks for a glimpse of the horror show to come. Any Sony Spider-man film will be laden with nonsense building up obscure z-list characters and a Sinister Six film where they're the heroes.

Sony: “Lets leak to Deadline that Spider-man won’t be in the MCU because Disney wants to give Feige a 50/50 split. Let’s get the public on our side!”

4 hours later when #BoycottSony starts trending...

Sony: “Crap! We’re getting trashed! Quick, release a statement now saying we’re disappointed because Feige is now ‘too busy’!”

 

[spiderman2]

So i know i am late to the Spiderman sony/marvel thing but rant time. Sony why why why would you do this? After Spiderman 3 both amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 made less money then the movie before and only reason Spiderman 3 didn't make less then Spiderman 2 was because with how amazing Spiderman 2 was still may be the best superhero movie in fact it created so much hype for Spiderman 3 and the trailer for Spiderman 3 looked out of this word but didn't live up to the hype. Spiderman 3 and amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 Sony interfeard way to much and even though I like those movies most likely would have been much better if Sony didn't interfear so darn much. Now Spiderman home comming and far from home the 2 Spiderman movies in the MCU end up much better then Spiderman 3 and amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 and you are going to go away from that Sony? After back to back Spiderman movies with Sony make less money Spiderman goes into the MCU and just like that its box office in the first movie goes up 170 million even with all it had going agest it being that it was the second reboot in a short time and even after comming after 3 spiderman movies that most people considered just ok and then next movie it goes up another 280ish million or so. On the other hand if amazing Spiderman 3 had even ever been made it likely would have just went down again from amazing Spiderman 2. Even though I have liked ever Spiderman movie to a point like I said home comming and far from home are a lot better then Spiderman 3 and amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 and considereding all the leaks that came out before Spiderman got to the mcu it souned like Sony had no idea what to do after amazing Spiderman 2 to the point were if amazing Spiderman 3 had been made it would have been really really bad. After far from home to Spiderman was set up so nicely for the next one in the muc with the after credit stuff that happend in far from home had things set up so nicely for like a 3erd movie with peter have like a bounty on his head, and Kraven the hunter trying to come after him or something and having Jameison back in the story after not having him for the last 4 live action movies but nope Sony got to ruin all of this. Sure hope things can change and we can still have Spiderman in the mcu. If not we could be looking at a 3erd reboot of spiderman in just like 10-15 years or something. I didn't know that Marvel got 5% of the box office I thought they got none. I known Marvel does have the all the merchidise rights though and that its self makes a lot of money and Sony was stupid to give that up when ever that was I dont known when it was I just known its been years and years. Not sure if its true but I heard Disney wants 50% instead of the 5%. Maybe Sony should try to go in the middle of 5% and 50% and see what marvel says like 27% or something. Just sure hope this changes.​

 

[Marvel united]

I think the potential of losing Feige and Watts may be a bigger blow than Sony is likely thinking it'll be. Those two have helped shape Spidey's time in the MCU and losing them potentially changes how well-received the next film is. You also have to think that Holland may not like the situation and his satisfaction with the role may erode if the the quality does as well.

Watts is not irreplaceable. The smart thing for Sony to do now would be to fold Lord & Miller into the main Spider-Man franchise and have them come up with a way to soft reboot this character.

The MCU Spider-Man movies in my opinion have been decent. But I definitely feel like with the right creative trust involved - a Raimi, Lord & Miller or Bryan Intihar type, We could make better Spider-Man movies than Marvel's offerings. At least ones more faithful to the source material while also being amazing films i.e. Spider-Verse, Ps4, SM2.

I think Sony is at least attempting to make good films now with the moves they've made on Venom and I think that bodes well for Spider-Man 3.

And hey, on the bright side, no more forced Iron Man connections

 

[spiderman2]

they were also willing to pay 50% of the production, but sony is gambling they will make more in future movies despite it not being connected to the MCU. yeah good luck with that.

this is just flat out bad news for fans. holland is tremendous and has been one of the best things about the entire MCU and he came in relatively late, he wants to play spidey for as long as possible too

I didn't known about the production part and 50% is like a solid 100 millon or so. These movies are not cheap to make. I know far from home was 165 and that is pretty low no days and even at that 50% is 82.5 million.

What exactly did Sony contribute to the success of this iteration of Spider-man? What did they do besides let him be used by Marvel where he belongs?

Fine, they don’t want 50/50. Then come back with a counter offer. For them to expect Disney and Marvel to not want a more fair deal after hitting a billion is naive and stupid. Let them ruin the character again and they’ll come back crying in 5 years.

Yeah not to come back with a counter offer is bad.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

 

[DCnightwing23]

Sony isn't in the wrong here. Hope you guys know that. All the "ranting" and #boycottsony nonsense is too much. This was a strategic leak from what I'm hearing. And D23 is right around the corner, where Disney is expected to show off the Marvel-themed attractions coming to their theme parks, led by who else? Spider-Man. And that's been in construction for a while now.

I've heard a couple of different sources say they think a deal might be reached in time for D23, we'll see. But Disney expecting 50% is far too steep imo. A deal in the 15-20% range is more realistic.

I don't see this being "officially over" as most or reporting, and as most of Twitter seem to believe (lol) this is very much one of these studios (Sony) leaking this intentionally. Outside of the marvelites giving Sony a hard time, most seem to think 50% was far too much to ask for, and Sony was right to reject that.

 

[DCnightwing23]

I didn't known about the production part and 50% is like a solid 100 millon or so. These movies are not cheap to make. I know far from home was 165 and that is pretty low no days and even at that 50% is 82.5 million.



Yeah not to come back with a counter offer is bad.

From what I understand, Disney was the one hellbent on sticking to 50%, that's why this was leaked from the jump, because Disney wouldn't accept anything less and was strong-arming Sony.

 

[TheFuture]

I'm surprised Feige was comfortable in the direction Far From Home took Peter in terms of his role within the MCU, while this was all up in the air.

But of course at the same time not surprised because, well....Amy Pascal.

It does feel like Disney were trying to big dog Sony by asking for 50/50 so disappointed with both parties.

 

[Disney Man]

Sony: “Lets leak to Deadline that Spider-man won’t be in the MCU because Disney wants to give Feige a 50/50 split. Let’s get the public on our side!”

4 hours later when #BoycottSony starts trending...

Sony: “Crap! We’re getting trashed! Quick, release a statement now saying we’re disappointed because Feige is now ‘too busy’!”

Hahahaha

 

[Zyraquis]

I can’t see any easy compromise from either side on this, and I can’t see anyone is to blamed.

For Disney, they are now taking a 5% revenue, which means $50m when a generous $1b BO gross is applied (in reality, the revenue will be much lower than gross for the studio, we all know). If that 5% is on profit, then it’s really peanut for Disney. If its cut doesn’t improve, it makes little business sense to carry the arrangement forward as it is, when Feige and the team involved have many other projects on their plates. One movie every 2-3 years is a rather major distraction when the group is in high-stake games in building up new franchises in films and content from scratch in the competitive streaming sector. The next 2-3 years is quite crucial for MCU as a studio itself and as a key part of Disney and it needs a more convincing incentive to that kind of commitment making movies for another studio.

Without the money, it is down to the use of Spiderman in other MCU movies, but with Ironman gone for good, a major hook for Spiderman is gone too and I can see Disney being confident that the stories MCU is going to tell, they can be told and sold well without Spiderman, especially they are not planning any major big team up film any time soon, and when the team up film comes, they have all the X-mem and FF characters at disposal.

For Sony, Venom gave them confidence that it doesn’t need MCU or Spiderman to make a money spinning big hit from that franchise. So, it can see an even bigger hit if it can use Spiderman again in its universe especially if it can use the already established actors for the same characters in the franchise. It can and will still slap a big Marvel (not MCU) logo on the films.

How well-found is that confidence remains to be seen, but if all fails it can go back to Disney and offer up a 50% profit cut plus other characters in that universe as a carrot, of course, until it breaks up again.

 

[Invader Joker]

There's no ****ing way the next movie is going to be good.

I'm sorry but there's literally no scenario in which that's possible. You can't continue Holland's Spidey in any satisfying way if you can't reference the MCU. It's impossible.